The DOC's Prescription for NYK Success: How Knicks Can Win NBA Title in 2 Years

mafra

Legend
The Boston Celtics finished the 2006-2007 season with the second worst record in NBA (24-58); only MEM had a worst record (22-60). It was one of the worst seasons in franchise history. Paul Pierce would turn 30 that OCT, when the 2007-2008 campaign would begin.

Carmelo Anthony turns 31 in May… So, in essence, for the purpose of this analogy… CA is only 1.5 years older now than PP was back then. In other words, if we point to PP’s run in BOS from 2007-2013, and we measure that tenure to what we hope the potential is for CA in the near future (2015-2019), we can get excited about the best case scenarios… and that portends to rings and titles… if Phil Jax does his job and CA rises to the challenge.

Like NY, BOS had excellent odds to land the #1 pick in the 2007 draft. Maybe the second pick…they had the second most ping-pong balls….

Unfortunately for BOS:

“The lottery was held on May 22,2007 in Secaucus, New Jersey. The Portland TrailBlazers, who had the seventh-worst record in the previous season, won the lottery with just a 5.3% chance to win. This was the fourth time that the Blazers had the first overall draft pick and the first time that the Blazers won the draft lottery since it was introduced in 1985.The Seattle SuperSonics, who had the fifth-worst record, and the Atlanta Hawks,who had the fourth-worst record, obtained the second and third pick respectively.

Three teams who had the worst records—the Memphis Grizzlies, the Boston Celtics and the MilwaukeeBucks—obtained the fourth, fifth and sixth pick respectively. These were the lowest possible picks they could have obtained through the lottery. The most recent draft in which the three worst teams did not receive the top three picks was in 1993.” - - (Wikipedia)

The draft selections, in order, were: Greg Oden, Kevin Durant, Al Horford, Mike Conley Jr, Jeff Green, Yi Jianlian,Corey Brewer… and… what for it… Jokaim Noah (CHI via NYK; On October 4, 2005, Chicago acquired an option to swap 2007 first-round draft picks, a 2006 first-round draft pick, 2007 and 2009 second-round draft picks, Tim Thomas, Michael Sweetney and Jermaine Jackson from New York in exchange for Eddy Curryand Antonio Davis.)

After you swallow the vomit that just surfaced and made your curse IT and Dolan… let’s get back on track. (1) The top portion of the draft offered 4 franchise players: Durant, Horford, Conley, & Noah. Good news for us! Let’s hope the talent is on par… and caliber of players in Towns, Okafor, Russell, Mudiay is equal to those guys.Who knows?

Anyway… This is where Danny Ainge stepped up… as President of BBALL Operations in BOS. Like Phil Jackson, he was a former player. He took on his executive role in 2003… so he had a tad more experience by the time the summer of ’07 rolled around. Like Phil, too, he hired a former PG to be his head coach (Doc Rivers), who took over the HC duties in BOS in 2004. Unlike Fisher, though, DOC had been coaching since 1999… So he was going on 8 years when ’07 arrived. But,again, despite the lack of experience in their current roles… Ainge-Doc might be comparable to Jax-Fish… We shall see.

SO, Ainge lived up to his ‘Trader Dan’ moniker, and didn’t bank the back-9 of PP’s career on some raw, lottery selection.So, he dealt the #5 pick in that draft… shipping it to SEA for Ray Allen. PP had requested a trade after that bad season (something CA hasn’t done)… So, Ainge had to respond… SEA had 2 picks in the top 5… They Got Durant and then grabbed Jeff Green (If only they took Noah)… So, as SEA proved… the draft is a 50/50 bet, at best… just look at the #1 pick (Greg Oden)… D’uh!

Ainge was able to grab Glen ‘big baby’ Davis, out of LSU (who upset Duke that year) in the second round. In 2006, they took a PG from Kentucky (Rajon Rondo) - with the pick AFTER the New York Knicks snagged Renaldo Balkman, from the U.of South Carolina. A double D'uh!

After the Ray Allen trade, Ainge made the single biggest trade (for 1 player) in NBA history, gutting the roster and sending a boat load of guys to MIN for Kevin Garnett. Al Jefferson, GeraldGreen, Theo Ratliff, S-Telfair, a future 1[SUP]st[/SUP] rounder.

With 3 All-Star (PP, KG,Ray-Ray), along with Perkins and Rondo… the Celtics now featured a potent starting 5. They select Glen Davis, had the man from USC, Brian Scalabrine, and then sign a flurry of vets (Eddie House, Scott Pollard, & James Posey).

The roster was rebuilt… re-tooled…overnight folks. Those 2 deals fell in Ainge’s lap. McHale helped in the KG trade… and Jefferson was a good player.Just like LA had help when West shipped Gasol for Gasol, another good player.

The Boston Celtics would go 64-18 in the 2007-2008 season, and win the NBA championship.The “Big-3” would start a trend, and BOS would perennially be a title contender for the next 4 -6 years.

Here’s what Doc Rivers said about NYK’s chances of turning things around quickly:

"Phil Jackson and Derek Fisher know what they’re doing,” the coach said. “They knew that this year would be this year and they just need to rebuild.”

What Rivers stressed, though, is that one pick or one event will not save a franchise.

“We had a lot of assets,” he saidw hen asked how his Celtics turned things around so quickly. “We had a lot of draft picks and we had some really good young players. You think about who we had: Gerald Green, Delonte West, Al Jefferson.… To me, that’s what changed the whole thing. You gotta have both, you can’t just have money because we didn’t do it through free agency.

“We did it through draft picks and trades.”

“Boston fans hung inthere,” Rivers said. “[Knicks fans] can. It can turn around quickly, [the Knicks] got a lot of money,” he said, in reference to the Knicks’aforementioned cap space.

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IN CONCLUSION: At this time in 2007, the BOS Celtics were in a better position than our beloved Knicks are in right now. Sure, I grant that... Ainge was experienced enough, with a fewyears under his executive belt… he was re-imaging the team for a 2[SUP]nd [/SUP]time… privy to the logistics of roster-building… aware of previous errors…DOC Rivers was closing in on a decade of coaching… The Celtics had a bunch of talented young players that other teams wanted… plus draft picks. And, finally,Paul Pierce PROVED he could change his game to mesh with two other stars and he rose to the challenge when the bell run and won his title.There was also a Rondo-Perkins tandem in place already (nobody thinks any of our young guards, or bigs, are capable of playing at that level in 2015-2016, that those 2 played at in 2007-2008).

But… on the bright side… We are LOCKED to get a top 4 pick.We also have more young players… quantity over quality… and we have TONS of cap space. In other words, we have enough to sign 1 big-dawg free agent… plus another 1 or 2 very good players… PLUS… we have enough ammo to pull off one blockbuster trade. We do not need to sign a bunch of vets to add depth… make a bench… b/c we have that in place already. Galloway,THjr, Schved, Ledo, Early, Thomas, Aldrich, Amundson, Wear… just young and hungry guys who can give you 12 minutes a night of energy, efficiency, production.

Is it possible to add 2 stars…and 2 solid players… 2 vets… to go with Carmelo and the young guys? Is it possible to plant the seeds… then hit the HR next year, in 2016, and round out the roster and really be in the title mix from 2016-2019?

I SAY YES!!!

IF Phil Jax does his job and brings in the right players, if Carmelo makes it work and rises to the challenge… if a few young guys develop…It’s likely, as BOS proved, we go from NBA worst to NBA Champs… it may not be the next season… maybe it takes us 2 years instead!
 
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tiger0330

Legend
The Boston Celtics finished the 2006-2007 season with the second worst record in NBA (24-58); only MEM had a worst record (22-60). It was one of the worst seasons in franchise history. Paul Pierce would turn 30 that OCT, when the 2007-2008 campaign would begin.

Carmelo Anthony turns 31 in May… So, in essence, for the purpose of this analogy… CA is only 1.5 years older now than PP was back then. In other words, if we point to PP’s run in BOS from 2007-2013, and we measure that tenure to what we hope the potential is for CA in the near future (2015-2019), we can get excited about the best case scenarios… and that portends to rings and titles… if Phil Jax does his job and CA rises to the challenge.

Like NY, BOS had excellent odds to land the #1 pick in the 2007 draft. Maybe the second pick…they had the second most ping-pong balls….

Unfortunately for BOS:

“The lottery was held on May 22,2007 in Secaucus, New Jersey. The Portland TrailBlazers, who had the seventh-worst record in the previous season, won the lottery with just a 5.3% chance to win. This was the fourth time that the Blazers had the first overall draft pick and the first time that the Blazers won the draft lottery since it was introduced in 1985.The Seattle SuperSonics, who had the fifth-worst record, and the Atlanta Hawks,who had the fourth-worst record, obtained the second and third pick respectively.

Three teams who had the worst records—the Memphis Grizzlies, the Boston Celtics and the MilwaukeeBucks—obtained the fourth, fifth and sixth pick respectively. These were the lowest possible picks they could have obtained through the lottery. The most recent draft in which the three worst teams did not receive the top three picks was in 1993.” - - (Wikipedia)

The draft selections, in order, were: Greg Oden, Kevin Durant, Al Horford, Mike Conley Jr, Jeff Green, Yi Jianlian,Corey Brewer… and… what for it… Jokaim Noah (CHI via NYK; On October 4, 2005, Chicago acquired an option to swap 2007 first-round draft picks, a 2006 first-round draft pick, 2007 and 2009 second-round draft picks, Tim Thomas, Michael Sweetney and Jermaine Jackson from New York in exchange for Eddy Curryand Antonio Davis.)

After you swallow the vomit that just surfaced and made your curse IT and Dolan… let’s get back on track. (1) The top portion of the draft offered 4 franchise players: Durant, Horford, Conley, & Noah. Good news for us! Let’s hope the talent is on par… and caliber of players in Towns, Okafor, Russell, Mudiay is equal to those guys.Who knows?

Anyway… This is where Danny Ainge stepped up… as President of BBALL Operations in BOS. Like Phil Jackson, he was a former player. He took on his executive role in 2003… so he had a tad more experience by the time the summer of ’07 rolled around. Like Phil, too, he hired a former PG to be his head coach (Doc Rivers), who took over the HC duties in BOS in 2004. Unlike Fisher, though, DOC had been coaching since 1999… So he was going on 8 years when ’07 arrived. But,again, despite the lack of experience in their current roles… Ainge-Doc might be comparable to Jax-Fish… We shall see.

SO, Ainge lived up to his ‘Trader Dan’ moniker, and didn’t bank the back-9 of PP’s career on some raw, lottery selection.So, he dealt the #5 pick in that draft… shipping it to SEA for Ray Allen. PP had requested a trade after that bad season (something CA hasn’t done)… So, Ainge had to respond… SEA had 2 picks in the top 5… They Got Durant and then grabbed Jeff Green (If only they took Noah)… So, as SEA proved… the draft is a 50/50 bet, at best… just look at the #1 pick (Greg Oden)… D’uh!

Ainge was able to grab Glen ‘big baby’ Davis, out of LSU (who upset Duke that year) in the second round. In 2006, they took a PG from Kentucky (Rajon Rondo) - with the pick AFTER the New York Knicks snagged Renaldo Balkman, from the U.of South Carolina. A double D'uh!

After the Ray Allen trade, Ainge made the single biggest trade (for 1 player) in NBA history, gutting the roster and sending a boat load of guys to MIN for Kevin Garnett. Al Jefferson, GeraldGreen, Theo Ratliff, S-Telfair, a future 1[SUP]st[/SUP] rounder.

With 3 All-Star (PP, KG,Ray-Ray), along with Perkins and Rondo… the Celtics now featured a potent starting 5. They select Glen Davis, had the man from USC, Brian Scalabrine, and then sign a flurry of vets (Eddie House, Scott Pollard, & James Posey).

The roster was rebuilt… re-tooled…overnight folks. Those 2 deals fell in Ainge’s lap. McHale helped in the KG trade… and Jefferson was a good player.Just like LA had help when West shipped Gasol for Gasol, another good player.

The Boston Celtics would go 64-18 in the 2007-2008 season, and win the NBA championship.The “Big-3” would start a trend, and BOS would perennially be a title contender for the next 4 -6 years.

Here’s what Doc Rivers said about NYK’s chances of turning things around quickly:

"Phil Jackson and Derek Fisher know what they’re doing,” the coach said. “They knew that this year would be this year and they just need to rebuild.”

What Rivers stressed, though, is that one pick or one event will not save a franchise.

“We had a lot of assets,” he saidw hen asked how his Celtics turned things around so quickly. “We had a lot of draft picks and we had some really good young players. You think about who we had: Gerald Green, Delonte West, Al Jefferson.… To me, that’s what changed the whole thing. You gotta have both, you can’t just have money because we didn’t do it through free agency.

“We did it through draft picks and trades.”

“Boston fans hung inthere,” Rivers said. “[Knicks fans] can. It can turn around quickly, [the Knicks] got a lot of money,” he said, in reference to the Knicks’aforementioned cap space.

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IN CONCLUSION: At this time in 2007, the BOS Celtics were in a better position than our beloved Knicks are in right now. Sure, I grant that... Ainge was experienced enough, with a fewyears under his executive belt… he was re-imaging the team for a 2[SUP]nd [/SUP]time… privy to the logistics of roster-building… aware of previous errors…DOC Rivers was closing in on a decade of coaching… The Celtics had a bunch of talented young players that other teams wanted… plus draft picks. And, finally,Paul Pierce PROVED he could change his game to mesh with two other stars and he rose to the challenge when the bell run and won his title.There was also a Rondo-Perkins tandem in place already (nobody thinks any of our young guards, or bigs, are capable of playing at that level in 2015-2016, that those 2 played at in 2007-2008).

But… on the bright side… We are LOCKED to get a top 4 pick.We also have more young players… quantity over quality… and we have TONS of cap space. In other words, we have enough to sign 1 big-dawg free agent… plus another 1 or 2 very good players… PLUS… we have enough ammo to pull off one blockbuster trade. We do not need to sign a bunch of vets to add depth… make a bench… b/c we have that in place already. Galloway,THjr, Schved, Ledo, Early, Thomas, Aldrich, Amundson, Wear… just young and hungry guys who can give you 12 minutes a night of energy, efficiency, production.

Is it possible to add 2 stars…and 2 solid players… 2 vets… to go with Carmelo and the young guys? Is it possible to plant the seeds… then hit the HR next year, in 2016, and round out the roster and really be in the title mix from 2016-2019?

I SAY YES!!!

IF Phil Jax does his job and brings in the right players, if Carmelo makes it work and rises to the challenge… if a few young guys develop…It’s likely, as BOS proved, we go from NBA worst to NBA Champs… it may not be the next season… maybe it takes us 2 years instead!
I respect the job Ainge has done with that Boston team, rebuilding that team twice. "Likely " the Knicks go from NBA worst to NBA champs in 2 years I doubt it but I do believe they can make major improvements this off-season with that lottery pick and the cap space which is why I'm not giving PJ a pass for next season.

I am still raw about Steve Mills statement when they hired PJ that him and Phil could do something "Special" in NY, little did Knicks fans know that something special would be the worst season in the history of the Knicks. ESPN rated the Knicks front office the second worst front office to the Nets and they deserved it with their personnel moves, Mafra I hope you're right and PJ can turn this around but so far he's been a bust as a GM.
 

Tkf

Benchwarmer
The Boston Celtics finished the 2006-2007 season with the second worst record in NBA (24-58); only MEM had a worst record (22-60). It was one of the worst seasons in franchise history. Paul Pierce would turn 30 that OCT, when the 2007-2008 campaign would begin.

Carmelo Anthony turns 31 in May? So, in essence, for the purpose of this analogy? CA is only 1.5 years older now than PP was back then. In other words, if we point to PP?s run in BOS from 2007-2013, and we measure that tenure to what we hope the potential is for CA in the near future (2015-2019), we can get excited about the best case scenarios? and that portends to rings and titles? if Phil Jax does his job and CA rises to the challenge.

Like NY, BOS had excellent odds to land the #1 pick in the 2007 draft. Maybe the second pick?they had the second most ping-pong balls?.

Unfortunately for BOS:

?The lottery was held on May 22,2007 in Secaucus, New Jersey. The Portland TrailBlazers, who had the seventh-worst record in the previous season, won the lottery with just a 5.3% chance to win. This was the fourth time that the Blazers had the first overall draft pick and the first time that the Blazers won the draft lottery since it was introduced in 1985.The Seattle SuperSonics, who had the fifth-worst record, and the Atlanta Hawks,who had the fourth-worst record, obtained the second and third pick respectively.

Three teams who had the worst records?the Memphis Grizzlies, the Boston Celtics and the MilwaukeeBucks?obtained the fourth, fifth and sixth pick respectively. These were the lowest possible picks they could have obtained through the lottery. The most recent draft in which the three worst teams did not receive the top three picks was in 1993.? - - (Wikipedia)

The draft selections, in order, were: Greg Oden, Kevin Durant, Al Horford, Mike Conley Jr, Jeff Green, Yi Jianlian,Corey Brewer? and? what for it? Jokaim Noah (CHI via NYK; On October 4, 2005, Chicago acquired an option to swap 2007 first-round draft picks, a 2006 first-round draft pick, 2007 and 2009 second-round draft picks, Tim Thomas, Michael Sweetney and Jermaine Jackson from New York in exchange for Eddy Curryand Antonio Davis.)

After you swallow the vomit that just surfaced and made your curse IT and Dolan? let?s get back on track. (1) The top portion of the draft offered 4 franchise players: Durant, Horford, Conley, & Noah. Good news for us! Let?s hope the talent is on par? and caliber of players in Towns, Okafor, Russell, Mudiay is equal to those guys.Who knows?

Anyway? This is where Danny Ainge stepped up? as President of BBALL Operations in BOS. Like Phil Jackson, he was a former player. He took on his executive role in 2003? so he had a tad more experience by the time the summer of ?07 rolled around. Like Phil, too, he hired a former PG to be his head coach (Doc Rivers), who took over the HC duties in BOS in 2004. Unlike Fisher, though, DOC had been coaching since 1999? So he was going on 8 years when ?07 arrived. But,again, despite the lack of experience in their current roles? Ainge-Doc might be comparable to Jax-Fish? We shall see.

SO, Ainge lived up to his ?Trader Dan? moniker, and didn?t bank the back-9 of PP?s career on some raw, lottery selection.So, he dealt the #5 pick in that draft? shipping it to SEA for Ray Allen. PP had requested a trade after that bad season (something CA hasn?t done)? So, Ainge had to respond? SEA had 2 picks in the top 5? They Got Durant and then grabbed Jeff Green (If only they took Noah)? So, as SEA proved? the draft is a 50/50 bet, at best? just look at the #1 pick (Greg Oden)? D?uh!

Ainge was able to grab Glen ?big baby? Davis, out of LSU (who upset Duke that year) in the second round. In 2006, they took a PG from Kentucky (Rajon Rondo) - with the pick AFTER the New York Knicks snagged Renaldo Balkman, from the U.of South Carolina. A double D'uh!

After the Ray Allen trade, Ainge made the single biggest trade (for 1 player) in NBA history, gutting the roster and sending a boat load of guys to MIN for Kevin Garnett. Al Jefferson, GeraldGreen, Theo Ratliff, S-Telfair, a future 1[SUP]st[/SUP] rounder.

With 3 All-Star (PP, KG,Ray-Ray), along with Perkins and Rondo? the Celtics now featured a potent starting 5. They select Glen Davis, had the man from USC, Brian Scalabrine, and then sign a flurry of vets (Eddie House, Scott Pollard, & James Posey).

The roster was rebuilt? re-tooled?overnight folks. Those 2 deals fell in Ainge?s lap. McHale helped in the KG trade? and Jefferson was a good player.Just like LA had help when West shipped Gasol for Gasol, another good player.

The Boston Celtics would go 64-18 in the 2007-2008 season, and win the NBA championship.The ?Big-3? would start a trend, and BOS would perennially be a title contender for the next 4 -6 years.

Here?s what Doc Rivers said about NYK?s chances of turning things around quickly:

"Phil Jackson and Derek Fisher know what they?re doing,? the coach said. ?They knew that this year would be this year and they just need to rebuild.?

What Rivers stressed, though, is that one pick or one event will not save a franchise.

?We had a lot of assets,? he saidw hen asked how his Celtics turned things around so quickly. ?We had a lot of draft picks and we had some really good young players. You think about who we had: Gerald Green, Delonte West, Al Jefferson.? To me, that?s what changed the whole thing. You gotta have both, you can?t just have money because we didn?t do it through free agency.

?We did it through draft picks and trades.?

?Boston fans hung inthere,? Rivers said. ?[Knicks fans] can. It can turn around quickly, [the Knicks] got a lot of money,? he said, in reference to the Knicks?aforementioned cap space.

http://theknicksblog.com/knicks/hamilton-doc-rivers-believes-knicks-can-turn-things-around-quickly/#more-60548

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IN CONCLUSION: At this time in 2007, the BOS Celtics were in a better position than our beloved Knicks are in right now. Sure, I grant that... Ainge was experienced enough, with a fewyears under his executive belt? he was re-imaging the team for a 2[SUP]nd [/SUP]time? privy to the logistics of roster-building? aware of previous errors?DOC Rivers was closing in on a decade of coaching? The Celtics had a bunch of talented young players that other teams wanted? plus draft picks. And, finally,Paul Pierce PROVED he could change his game to mesh with two other stars and he rose to the challenge when the bell run and won his title.There was also a Rondo-Perkins tandem in place already (nobody thinks any of our young guards, or bigs, are capable of playing at that level in 2015-2016, that those 2 played at in 2007-2008).

But? on the bright side? We are LOCKED to get a top 4 pick.We also have more young players? quantity over quality? and we have TONS of cap space. In other words, we have enough to sign 1 big-dawg free agent? plus another 1 or 2 very good players? PLUS? we have enough ammo to pull off one blockbuster trade. We do not need to sign a bunch of vets to add depth? make a bench? b/c we have that in place already. Galloway,THjr, Schved, Ledo, Early, Thomas, Aldrich, Amundson, Wear? just young and hungry guys who can give you 12 minutes a night of energy, efficiency, production.

Is it possible to add 2 stars?and 2 solid players? 2 vets? to go with Carmelo and the young guys? Is it possible to plant the seeds? then hit the HR next year, in 2016, and round out the roster and really be in the title mix from 2016-2019?

I SAY YES!!!

IF Phil Jax does his job and brings in the right players, if Carmelo makes it work and rises to the challenge? if a few young guys develop?It?s likely, as BOS proved, we go from NBA worst to NBA Champs? it may not be the next season? maybe it takes us 2 years instead!


good luck with carmelo doing that.. LOL.. you can say this for any franchise in the NBA. It is like saying, if I win the lottery I can pay all of my bills, open a business and buy a new car for everyone in my family..

that goes for anyone who has a pile of cash land in their laps... what you are saying is what every team chases every year, yet so few get there. .It is not that easy.

the problem with us we have been horrible at the chase... for many years and we are nothing like boston. especially in the front office and on the court.. carmelo is no pierce, and we don't have a rondo... Boston was already half way there in terms of assets.. we are closer to another lottery with what we have...
 

Broadway

All Star
So we should trade the pick for Kyle Lowry? Then not have enough to make a trade for another Star?


I'm confused by this article immensely
 

Kiyaman

Legend
So we should trade the pick for Kyle Lowry? Then not have enough to make a trade for another Star?
I'm confused by this article immensely

Im confused too.
Ainge has always been a complete idiot!
The Boston Celtics history of championships and actions has always been a NBA mystery.
Example: Larry Bird was drafted by the Celtics in 1978, yet Larry Bird played in the 1979 NCAA championship game vs Magic Johnson, plus Bird won the 1979-80 rookie of the year. Another Boston Celtics mystery?
The Celtics trade to get Ray Allen and KG were way above Ainge level of thinking and power.
Signing coach Thibs were way above Ainge mental level of defensive coaching.

Kyle Lowry does not want to be a part of the Knicks organization.
Last season Lowry started the season for Toronto playing with no effort each game, in December trade rumors of the Raptors in discussion of trading Kyie Lowry to the Knicks hit the newspapers and sports radio, Kyle Lowry did a 360 change in his performance averaging 20 pts, 9 ast, 2 stl in a 31-15 run that made the Raptors the Atlantic Division champs, and a 3rd seeded team in EC.

Phil Jackson allowing Dolan to resign Melo to a 5 yr contract for $124M has made Phil Jackson job of building a winning Knicks team 10 times harder.
Look at the huge success coach Jason Kidd had with the 15 win season Bucks, and how Phil turned a 37 win season team into a 15 win season team with the resigning of Melo.
 

Broadway

All Star
Im confused too.
Ainge has always been a complete idiot!
The Boston Celtics history of championships and actions has always been a NBA mystery.
Example: Larry Bird was drafted by the Celtics in 1978, yet Larry Bird played in the 1979 NCAA championship game vs Magic Johnson, plus Bird won the 1979-80 rookie of the year. Another Boston Celtics mystery?
The Celtics trade to get Ray Allen and KG were way above Ainge level of thinking and power.
Signing coach Thibs were way above Ainge mental level of defensive coaching.

Kyle Lowry does not want to be a part of the Knicks organization.
Last season Lowry started the season for Toronto playing with no effort each game, in December trade rumors of the Raptors in discussion of trading Kyie Lowry to the Knicks hit the newspapers and sports radio, Kyle Lowry did a 360 change in his performance averaging 20 pts, 9 ast, 2 stl in a 31-15 run that made the Raptors the Atlantic Division champs, and a 3rd seeded team in EC.

Phil Jackson allowing Dolan to resign Melo to a 5 yr contract for $124M has made Phil Jackson job of building a winning Knicks team 10 times harder.
Look at the huge success coach Jason Kidd had with the 15 win season Bucks, and how Phil turned a 37 win season team into a 15 win season team with the resigning of Melo.


Ainge has not been a complete idiot, seriously some of the statements made by you guys are downright baffling.
 

tiger0330

Legend
I agree about Ainge. I'm not sure where he ranked in that ESPN poll on NBA front offices but I bet he's in the top 10.
Just checked, Celtics ranked the 7th best front office in the NBA. Ainge the 9th best GM, I think he should be ranked higher since he's won a ring and they have Daryl Morey ranked higher and he hasn't won anything or even been to a conference finals.
 

Kiyaman

Legend
I agree about Ainge. I'm not sure where he ranked in that ESPN poll on NBA front offices but I bet he's in the top 10.

It does not matter where Ainge is ranked ....

Ainge just happen to be the GM of the Celtics in 2006-7, when Celtics franchise Player Paul Pierce went public asking to be traded during the Celtics 24 win season. Paul Pierce were angry for not making the playoffs for two seasons in the EC, plus each of Ainge poor selection of top-10 draft picks did nothing for the future of the Celtics team. Pierce wanted out.
Paul Pierce had the Celtics owner spend big money for the 2007-8 salary cap, by adding Ray Allen big-money contract, and KG bigger-money contract (two star players that wanted out of their organization.). The Celtics also added two defensive-coaches to the staff in the 2007 offseason .. The BIG-3 won the championship in 2007-8 season.

What did Ainge do for the Celtics after Paul Pierce put together a team to win a championship in its first season? slowly SELL the team off to become a Celtics 25 win season team the same type of team Paul Pierce asked to be traded from.
 
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tiger0330

Legend
Kiya looks like the Celts are headed to the playoffs because of the trades Ainge pulled off, I'd hardly call him an idiot for that. The Celts have a stockpile of 1st round picks, cap space and Ainge has rebuilt teams with stars and now is rebuilding the team using those draft picks. I'd prefer him over PJ as the GM without question.
 

Broadway

All Star
Kiya looks like the Celts are headed to the playoffs because of the trades Ainge pulled off, I'd hardly call him an idiot for that. The Celts have a stockpile of 1st round picks, cap space and Ainge has rebuilt teams with stars and now is rebuilding the team using those draft picks. I'd prefer him over PJ as the GM without question.


Kiya delivering incredulous information here

Ainge made attempt to trade for Garnett a season prior to trading for him. Mchale rebuffed giving Ainge more time to add value to the trade. Ainge also passed on trading Pierce a couple season prior... to the Blazers for their lottery pick(which could have potentially netted CP3)


Once Garnett found out he could be dealt to Boston he was going to exercise his veto power unless Ainge made another move. The move turned out to be trading pick #5 for Ray Allen and Big Baby. Garnett has gone on record on several occasions saying if Ainge did not make this move he would not have come to Boston.


Sorry Boston's success of recent yrs has everything to do with Ainge. I'll offer this one small piece of advice when posting on a message board forum. Try to do research first and foremost because it generally puts you in the right space and if possible place your emotions to the side or leave your ego at pulling up browser.
 

Kiyaman

Legend
Kiya looks like the Celts are headed to the playoffs because of the trades Ainge pulled off, I'd hardly call him an idiot for that. The Celts have a stockpile of 1st round picks, cap space and Ainge has rebuilt teams with stars and now is rebuilding the team using those draft picks. I'd prefer him over PJ as the GM without question.

I will stick with PJ .. over Ainge rookie n 2nd season as Celtics GM.
The Eastern Conference playoffs will have 3 teams under .500 this postseason .. poor conference
The Bucks were a .500 team all season until making several trades on the deadline.
The Bucks/Celtics/Nets/Heats/Pacers has to wait for the 82nd game of season to find out if they made the playoffs CTFU
 

Red

TYPE-A
The stats say different

good luck with carmelo doing that.. LOL.. you can say this for any franchise in the NBA. It is like saying, if I win the lottery I can pay all of my bills, open a business and buy a new car for everyone in my family..

that goes for anyone who has a pile of cash land in their laps... what you are saying is what every team chases every year, yet so few get there. .It is not that easy.

the problem with us we have been horrible at the chase... for many years and we are nothing like boston. especially in the front office and on the court.. carmelo is no pierce, and we don't have a rondo... Boston was already half way there in terms of assets.. we are closer to another lottery with what we have...

Melo v Pierce

Melo: 25.2ppg 6.6reb 3.1apg

Pierce*: 20.8ppg 5.8reb 3.7apg

Advantage = Melo

*Pierce didn't win a championship the Celtics did, and that team had at minimum 2 other future Hall of Famers.

Career Highlights

Melo: 8xAllstar

2xAll NBA 2nd team

4xAll NBA 3rd team


NBA scoring Champion


All Rookie 1st Team

Pierce: NBA Championship / Finals MVP

1xAll NBA 2nd team

3xAll NBA 3rd team

10xAllstar

All Rookie 1st Team
 
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