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rady
Dec 23, 2015, 11:06
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(14-15) -- (18-7)



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Quicken Loans Arena, Cleveland, OH
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7:00 PM EST




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Injury Report




New York Knicks

Cleveland Cavaliers


Carmelo Anthony - Sprained right ankle (QUEST)
Mo Williams - Right thumb sprain (QUEST)


Kyle O'Quinn - Sprained right ankle (QUEST)
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Game Preview

Kyrie Irving's return has the Cleveland Cavaliers largely healthy and close to peak form nearing their most anticipated game of the season.

The New York Knicks, meanwhile, are holding their breath over Carmelo Anthony's new injury.

Anthony's availability for Wednesday night's road game against the rolling Cavaliers is in question after he sprained his right ankle in the Knicks' last outing.

New York (14-15) was outplayed down the stretch of Monday's 107-99 home loss to Orlando that snapped a four-game win streak, but the greater concern lies over Anthony's status. The star forward did play most of the fourth quarter after getting hurt late in the third, but attempted just two shots while clearly affected by the injury.

Anthony said following the game he plans to play Wednesday, though it was too early to know for sure.

"It's hard to gauge right now," he said.

Cleveland (18-7) is heading toward full strength for its NBA Finals rematch at Golden State on Christmas night now that Irving is back from a fractured kneecap suffered in Game 1 of June's championship series. The playmaking point guard scored 12 points in 17 minutes to help the Cavaliers extend their win streak to five games with Sunday's 108-86 rout of lowly Philadelphia.

"Kind of been a long, long road, but finally getting out there with my teammates was a pleasure," said Irving, whose career average of 26.0 points versus the Knicks is his highest against any opponent.

Irving is the second key Cavalier to return in the past two weeks, with former Knick Iman Shumpert having played in three of the last four games after missing 21 with a wrist injury. His addition is a welcome one for a team that's been increasingly dependent on LeBron James' production.

James is averaging 29.2 points during the win streak and had 31 in a 90-84 road win over New York on Nov. 13, Cleveland's fourth straight in the series and second this season.

The Knicks have scored 87 or less every time during that four-game skid. They could have trouble generating offense again with the Cavaliers having held opponents to averages of 84.8 points and 37.9 percent shooting over their last four.

New York has been getting contributions from sources other than Anthony. Lance Thomas was 9 of 9 from the field in matching a career high of 24 points against the Magic, his sixth straight game in double figures. Arron Afflalo averaged 23.0 points on 63.4 percent shooting over a three-game stretch prior to Monday's four-point effort.

Both have been needed with Kristaps Porzingis going through a prolonged slump. The impressive rookie is 3 of 21 from 3-point range and shooting 29.0 percent overall in his last seven after finishing 3 of 12 against Orlando.

"My shot is feeling fine. I don't know, it's just not falling," he said. "Maybe I need to take my time a little more. Maybe I need to be focused a little more, maybe all those little things add up. Sooner or later they will start to fall again. I'm not too worried about that."

New York has won its last two road games but is facing a Cleveland team which is 12-1 at home.


(nba.com)

Kiyaman
Dec 23, 2015, 13:20
Rady .. Big Thanx for GAME-THREAD

I will miss this game have to travel to NJ .. I hope O'Quinn is healthy to play.
The Cavs big men will probably own this game with Fisher small-ball thinking.

The conversation could start here .. KP is not a NBA star player! And KP is not a NBA starter!
I dont care what all the sports writers and announcers are paid to say.
The first pick Towns all around 2-way game is not a Star or starter!
Both players make several rookie mistakes in the starter lineup to prove my point every game.

tiger0330
Dec 23, 2015, 13:52
Rady the 7pm start time is correct. The 7:30 thread title is wrong.

Melo and Quinn look like game time decisions.

tiger0330
Dec 23, 2015, 17:48
Melo and Quinn both out. AA and kp6 are going to have to show a lot more than against Orlando.

tiger0330
Dec 23, 2015, 18:55
Boys are hanging in only down by 4 in the 2nd. Dwill is the leading scorer off of FTs on his usual drives to the bucket.

tiger0330
Dec 23, 2015, 18:57
LT doing a nice job on Lebron, made him miss a layup with some tight D.

finestrg
Dec 23, 2015, 19:08
We're hanging around minus Melo and KOQ but we need to step it up out there--we're not getting nearly enough rebounding, not getting anything out of Afflalo and we're getting caught on way too many defensive switches (guards like Galloway repeatedly switching off trying to cover bigs down on the block). All correctable.

tiger0330
Dec 23, 2015, 19:09
AA still ice cold. Going to be hard to win w/o him.

mafra
Dec 23, 2015, 19:11
Shumpert with 8 first half points (Affalo, Galloway, Grant have combined for 6 points and 3 assists; although Calderon has 7 points and 4 assists himself).

finestrg
Dec 23, 2015, 19:13
Of all the games not to bring it, right? Desperately need AA tonight...KP for 3!!! Only down 5 at the half.

tiger0330
Dec 23, 2015, 19:14
KP6 nails a 26ft 3 at the buzzer. He's been great with his all around game though I'd like to see his shooting % a little better.

finestrg
Dec 23, 2015, 19:17
KP trying to shoot his way out of his slump at least, so that's good.

tiger0330
Dec 23, 2015, 19:26
Have to stop those easy buckets in transition the Cavs got in the first half. I think we'd be up if we did that in the game.

tiger0330
Dec 23, 2015, 19:31
Is there an uglier shot than Rolo, both his hook shot and his push shot.

tiger0330
Dec 23, 2015, 19:34
Kp6 with his 4th 3 and then a put back slam off LT miss. Now if AA can get untracked.

tiger0330
Dec 23, 2015, 19:42
Gritty game by the Knicks, tie score w/o your 1st scoring option. Props to Rolo and JC and holding Lebron to 0 pts this qtr.

tiger0330
Dec 23, 2015, 19:56
This unit Lou, DWill, JG, Gallo and Early scares me. I hope they don't lose that lead with them in and Fish only has them in for a couple of minutes.

tiger0330
Dec 23, 2015, 20:02
Stop bitching Lebron.

tiger0330
Dec 23, 2015, 20:06
Nice dish by kp for an easy 2:by AA and then changing Lebrons shot on the other end for a miss on his layup.

mafra
Dec 23, 2015, 20:18
Affalo is awful in the 4th... The box score won't reflect how pathetic he was down the stretch... Wow. Turnover by Thomas after a TO didn't help either... Not the fact that refs but Love and James on the line but allow CLE to play physical vs us...

PORZ was great but we ignored him entire 4th...

Again... Affalo was downright awful... Brick, brick, turnover, turnover, Brrick...

mafra
Dec 23, 2015, 20:22
I guess James can throw and elbow when he drives... Calderon was called for the same thing... And Melo is always called for the hook.

Galloway seals deal with a terrible drive to the hoop...

It is really amazing we even compete with these lousy guards... Not only do the force and miss Ill-advised shots... They never get an assist. People conain about ISO Melo? Geez, Affalo and Galloway are worse... At least Melo gets some assists...

KO can get an assist in the 4th... But the dude who was 0-6 in the first half misses 6 shots in the 4th... (AA was 4-10 in the 4th with 2 turnovers)... AA Never passed ball to KP. Affalo should be ashamed of his game tonight.

tiger0330
Dec 23, 2015, 20:23
Just like against Orlando, critical turnovers and the inability to close it out at the end. That's 0-2:going into a back to back this w/e. Zero pts and no shots for kp in the 4th wtf.

mafra
Dec 23, 2015, 20:28
Just like against Orlando, critical turnovers and the inability to close it out at the end. That's 0-2:going into a back to back this w/e. Zero pts and no shots for kp in the 4th wtf.

Bad coaching and selfish play from Affalo. KP had 23 points thru 3 quarters... Yet ice cold AA **** ten times down the stretch? Did he even hit rim on half those shots?

Seriously, what NBA team can win with Calderon-Affalo-Galloway-grant as their top 4 guards? This group is beyond inept. They can't score, play defense, nor do they create easy shots for others... Kind of what guards are supposed to do... You know... Run an offense.

Somebody should tell Affalo to stop shooting 3s... I would prefer KP take hook shots from half court over AA shooting from downtown.

Affalo, Galloway, grant were 9-28 with 4 assists... KP himself had 4assists. Langston played 25 minutes and had 4 points and 0 assists.

tiger0330
Dec 23, 2015, 20:32
They made a game of it w/o Melo and Quinn. I'm hoping they're back by Saturday and the Knicks can put it all together for a couple of wins. The next 2 are critical, need 2 wins to get back to .500.

tiger0330
Dec 23, 2015, 20:38
Bad coaching and selfish play from Affalo. KP had 23 points thru 3 quarters... Yet ice cold AA **** ten times down the stretch? Did he even hit rim on half those shots?

Seriously, what NBA team can win with Calderon-Affalo-Galloway-grant as their top 4 guards? This group is beyond inept. They can't score, play defense, nor do they create easy shots for others... Kind of what guards are supposed to do... You know... Run an offense.

Somebody should tell Affalo to stop shooting 3s... I would prefer KP take hook shots from half court over AA shooting from downtown.

Affalo, Galloway, grant were 9-28 with 4 assists... KP himself had 4assists. Langston played 25 minutes and had 4 points and 0 assists.
PJ needs to pull the trigger on an up tempo PG. Grant has been disappointing, I'd make him trade bait if it can snag Jennings.

mafra
Dec 23, 2015, 20:39
They made a game of it w/o Melo and Quinn. I'm hoping they're back by Saturday and the Knicks can put it all together for a couple of wins. The next 2 are critical, need 2 wins to get back to .500.

NYK will not be at .500 again until next Nov when season begins and we are 0-0...

We dropped the first 2 games of a brutal 10 game stretch. We'll be lucky to go 2-8 in this stretch... Which puts us at 16-23 when this run is complete.

tiger0330
Dec 23, 2015, 21:02
NYK will not be at .500 again until next Nov when season begins and we are 0-0...

We dropped the first 2 games of a brutal 10 game stretch. We'll be lucky to go 2-8 in this stretch... Which puts us at 16-23 when this run is complete.
16-23 you can bet PJ and Mills will deal for some help. Maybe Jimmer which is the easiest move he can make.

mafra
Dec 23, 2015, 21:09
16-23 you can bet PJ and Mills will deal for some help. Maybe Jimmer which is the easiest move he can make.

It's just that the EC is better this year. I doubt we win in BOS or MIA. ATL will win 2/3, if not all 3. We might beat DET... But will lose in SA...

We will beat up the bad teams... Probably get us 32-38 wins... But unless we make a trade for an impact G... No way we can beat the good teams with this guard group. ISO-Affalo was horrific tonight. 10 shots the final 8 minutes from AA? Trying to post up Shump, who abused him?

At least we competed and were in the game. KP was excellent.

tiger0330
Dec 23, 2015, 21:13
It's just that the EC is better this year. I doubt we win in BOS or MIA. ATL will win 2/3, if not all 3. We might beat DET... But will lose in SA...

We will beat up the bad teams... Probably get us 32-38 wins... But unless we make a trade for an impact G... No way we can beat the good teams with this guard group. ISO-Affalo was horrific tonight. 10 shots the final 8 minutes from AA? Trying to post up Shump, who abused him?

At least we competed and were in the game. KP was excellent.
The Pistons can play that's no gim'me.

Broadway
Dec 23, 2015, 22:05
PJ needs to pull the trigger on an up tempo PG. Grant has been disappointing, I'd make him trade bait if it can snag Jennings.


Or how about force Fisher to put Grant in a better position to succeed instead of randomly inserting him into horrific lineups. Otherwise what you're saying is Phil made a horrible choice in drafting him if you want him traded after 25gms played into his fresh career. Should have started him, he'd be past several bumps in the road by now.

tiger0330
Dec 24, 2015, 03:19
Or how about force Fisher to put Grant in a better position to succeed instead of randomly inserting him into horrific lineups. Otherwise what you're saying is Phil made a horrible choice in drafting him if you want him traded after 25gms played into his fresh career. Should have started him, he'd be past several bumps in the road by now.
I thought he was a better shooter than he's shown esp being a 4 year college player. He's never going to be better than the pre-draft backup PG prediction they made for him. Maybe not even as good as THJ who so far has been better his rookie season. I'd sell high on him and use him as trade bait if it could get us an up tempo PG like Jennings.

RunningJumper
Dec 24, 2015, 21:00
KP not getting shots in the 4th quarter was frustrating. I don't know what the result of the game would have been, but why wouldn't you have rolled with him? Even if he was struggling, he's hard to guard with his height and ability, and it wouldn't have mixed things up. Also, he wasn't struggling.

The Knicks need to sign Allen Iverson.

knicksin60
Dec 25, 2015, 11:59
Stupidest coach in the NBA. Makes D'antoni look like Gregg Popovich. Only a complete idiot would stop running his offense in crunch time through the players that helped the team to be in a position to win. Herb Williams would have done a better job in that 4th quarter. Please fire this guy before he wastes KP's prime by being the dumbest coach NY sports has ever seen.