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rady
Dec 26, 2015, 16:29
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(14-16) -- (19-12)



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Philips Arena, Atlanta, GA
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Injury Report




New York Knicks

Atlanta Hawks


Carmelo Anthony - Sprained right ankle (PROB)
Kyle Korver - Ankle rehabilitation (PROB)


Kyle O'Quinn - Sprained right ankle (PROB)
Thabo Sefolosha - Ankle rehabilitation (PROB)





Game Preview

The Atlanta Hawks are now feeling more like the team that finished atop the Eastern Conference last season.

The Hawks seek a sixth straight win Saturday night and a fifth in six matchups with the visiting New York Knicks, a team that's recently cooled off.

Atlanta (19-12) built a 21-point lead in the third quarter Wednesday against Detroit and that proved enough cushion for a 107-100 victory. Jeff Teague led the way with 23 points - his most in 11 games this month - and nine assists.

"I thought that was as close to a complete game as we've played in a while," guard Kyle Korver said. "We're a bit more focused. We're playing with more purpose and we're doing it for longer stretches."

The Hawks had lost 10 of 16 before this five-game win streak, during which they have matched a season high by surpassing 100 points in each game. They averaged 90.7 in their first six games this month.

"The first month and a half or so we weren't very good. I think that we're starting to play more like ourselves," said center Al Horford, part of a franchise-best 60-22 squad in 2014-15.

Teague had 23 points and Horford scored 21 in the Hawks' first win this season, 112-101 in New York on Oct. 29. Korver added 15 and has keyed Atlanta's recent success in this series with an average of 19.0 points in the past four meetings, hitting 16 of 32 from 3-point range.

The Knicks (14-16) failed in their attempt at a season-high fifth consecutive victory Monday, losing 107-99 to visiting Orlando. They followed with a 91-84 defeat to Cleveland on Wednesday, scoring two points in the final four minutes and falling short of a season-high third straight road win.

"It's a tough one. For the guys to put the effort and energy into the game and come up short, that's always the tougher (losses)," coach Derek Fisher said.

New York, which averaged 108.3 points in its win streak, played without Carmelo Anthony in the opener to a three-game trip. The Knicks' leading scorer might return from his sprained right ankle Saturday.

Kristaps Porzingis had 23 points and 13 rebounds with Anthony out. The rookie averaged 7.9 points while shooting 29.0 percent in his previous seven games.

Anthony scored a team-best 25 points despite missing 17 of 27 shots - including all seven from 3-point range - against Atlanta earlier this season. Porzingis had 10 points and eight rebounds in his second NBA game.

Robin Lopez scored a season-high 18 points but is averaging 6.0 in his last 22 games.

Teague is averaging 21.5 points and 7.2 assists in his last six home games against New York.

The Knicks' only win in the past five meetings came in their most recent visit to Atlanta on April 13, though Paul Millsap, Dennis Schroder and Thabo Sefolosha sat out for the Hawks and Anthony was also inactive.


(nba.com)

tiger0330
Dec 26, 2015, 18:57
Thanks for the game thread Rady. Happy holidays to everyone.

Knicks came out on fire in these 2 important games. Have to get at least one in ATL or BOS to avoid being 4 below .500. Melo 4-4 for 9 pts already.

tiger0330
Dec 26, 2015, 19:03
DWill hits a tough 3 and Grant steals the inbound for Gallo to hit a short jumper. The boys playing like a well oiled machine.

tiger0330
Dec 26, 2015, 19:21
Can't sleep on these guys. The Knicks can't play much better shooting lights out, rebounding and playing D but ATL shaved the lead to 3.

tiger0330
Dec 26, 2015, 19:28
Ever since the Knicks came back from that west coast road trip and they had that 3 day layoff they have been running the triangle noticeably more aggressively.

tiger0330
Dec 26, 2015, 19:32
They need to make this last shot before the half. 14-4 run by the Hawks has cut this to 4.

mafra
Dec 26, 2015, 19:37
Knicks shoot 65% in the first half but commit 11 turnovers and allow 38 second quarter points... 3 at the buzzer cuts NYK lead to 3.

tiger0330
Dec 26, 2015, 19:37
This has got to be a W for the Knicks, JC with a crossover and then a drive to the basket for 2 pts.

And as I wrote this Teague nails a last second 3 to make it 63-60. A loss today would be a downer but ATL must feel good about their chances.

tiger0330
Dec 26, 2015, 19:54
Clyde said it "ominous" shooting 65% and only up by one in the 3rd.

tiger0330
Dec 26, 2015, 19:55
Didn't we get Rolo to stop guys like Milsap from getting easy buckets like that. 38 pts in the paint by ATL.

tiger0330
Dec 26, 2015, 19:57
Milsap killing us and Bazemore makes wide open 3 with no one within 20 ft to take the lead by 3.

htr10
Dec 26, 2015, 20:00
I don't know who split open Robin Lopez's face like that, but it probably should have been called a foul.

mafra
Dec 26, 2015, 20:13
ugly third quarter...

mafra
Dec 26, 2015, 20:13
In what is now routine... b/c obviously nothing basketball-related happens during halftime... NYK comes out flat in third quarter... Another 8-9 turnovers... No defense... Only now shots aren't falling... 10 points in ten minutes... Down by 12... Calderon-Affalo don't even attempt to play defense.

mafra
Dec 26, 2015, 20:16
I don't know who split open Robin Lopez's face like that, but it probably should have been called a foul.

I thought no blood, no foul? Oh wait... Then again Sefalosha just shoved Quin out of the way for a rebound... No call. They love calling Melo on the off foul tho.

tiger0330
Dec 26, 2015, 20:22
What a forgettable 2nd half by the Knicks topped off by a blown open layup by Grant.

mafra
Dec 26, 2015, 20:23
31-15 ATL in the second half... Considering they were trailing by 12 or 15 in the second Q... I would say this is quite the turnaround.

mafra
Dec 26, 2015, 20:26
What a forgettable 2nd half by the Knicks topped off by a blown open layup by Grant.

Grant and Galloway have been putrid tonight... We almost down by twenty and Korver hasn't scored.

tiger0330
Dec 26, 2015, 20:33
That was the fat lady singing. Korver nailing that 3 to make it a 20 pt lead.

mafra
Dec 26, 2015, 20:35
Melo with 17 points in 7-12 shooting. To go with 11 rebounds, 4 assists, a block. We probably needed more ISO-Melo tonight bc nobody else can score in the second half. Thomas with a decent game... That's about it.

Hey Fisher... We've now had 4 possessions lost bc a player slipped... Can we ask the refs to have somebody wipe the floor. Lol.

tiger0330
Dec 26, 2015, 20:36
Bernard King attending the game and not even in a VIP seat. Just sitting in the upper tier like an ordinary Joe. :)

mafra
Dec 26, 2015, 20:38
I think game started 18-5 NYK... Since then... 104-70 aTL

tiger0330
Dec 26, 2015, 20:49
Fish threw out the white flag. Save energy for that game in Boston. Putting Grant in to try to make up a big lead by Atl isn't going to work and they need guard help.

If we go 2-8 ending in that Spurs game Jan 8 PJ is going to be looking for help, 10 day contracts start around then so if we get help it may be that way. If PJ has balls he tries to make a deal for Jennings or Lawson, I don't think they're PJ type of players so I'm doubtful.

tiger0330
Dec 26, 2015, 20:52
Tony Wroten cleared waivers but I suggest you check out his numbers before suggesting we get him. They're terrible on top of the fact that he's on a minutes restriction after ACL surgery.

My prediction Jimmer gets called up if we're way below .500 early Jan.

knicksin60
Dec 26, 2015, 23:50
Garbage team! I think the likelihood that I win the NYC Powerball is higher than the Knicks avoiding a 14-24 record after 38 games. We have a team that is the true definition of non playoff. They are going to beat up on the Sixers, the Nets and the Lakers all season long but at the same time are going to get anally rapped by all the other NBA teams with a winning record. We have a coach whose purpose here is to be a Phil Jackson experiment. Everybody on this roster and front office can GTFO except for Porzingis. No reason to go into an offseason spending the millions of dollars that they did so that the team can come out and be an utter embarrassment once again. We have lived through this bullcr*p with Scott Layden, Isiah Thomas, Steve Mills and with Phil Jackson. I love the Knicks so much but I just had it with them.

mafra
Dec 27, 2015, 00:52
Garbage team! I think the likelihood that I win the NYC Powerball is higher than the Knicks avoiding a 14-24 record after 38 games. We have a team that is the true definition of non playoff. They are going to beat up on the Sixers, the Nets and the Lakers all season long but at the same time are going to get anally rapped by all the other NBA teams with a winning record. We have a coach whose purpose here is to be a Phil Jackson experiment. Everybody on this roster and front office can GTFO except for Porzingis. No reason to go into an offseason spending the millions of dollars that they did so that the team can come out and be an utter embarrassment once again. We have lived through this bullcr*p with Scott Layden, Isiah Thomas, Steve Mills and with Phil Jackson. I love the Knicks so much but I just had it with them.

The only hope we have is (1) Melo keeps playing the way he has since POR; (2) we slide into the abyss right now so quickly that Melo is forced to do a soul-check come end of Jan.

If we can find a way to trade Melo, Lopez, Affalo, Calderon for a young building block, a few assets or draft picks... Then we can earnestly build for the future.

Melo for Kyrie baby! Make it happen Phil.

CLE would sport a James-Melo-love front court and that could battle SA or GSW...

Bottom line: if NYK cannot get a legit PG by Aug... The Melo-PORZ won't work... You just can't compete in the NBA without guards... And we've had a bunch of dudes for basically a decade now.

jimkcchief88
Dec 27, 2015, 08:04
Didn't see the game but the thread tells it all. Should have drafted Mudiay at 4 instead of the Zinger. The kid the Bulls drafted at the back end of the first round Portis is better than the Zinger...SEC player of the year and can shoot just like the Zinger...could have had them both but it is what it is... This will continue to happen until PJAx figures out he doesn't have MJ, Scottie, or Kobe so u need better backcourt play....Just the fact Sasha is on our roster should tell you everything...what happened to the Cuban kid btw????

htr10
Dec 27, 2015, 10:22
Didn't see the game but the thread tells it all. Should have drafted Mudiay at 4 instead of the Zinger. The kid the Bulls drafted at the back end of the first round Portis is better than the Zinger...SEC player of the year and can shoot just like the Zinger...could have had them both but it is what it is... This will continue to happen until PJAx figures out he doesn't have MJ, Scottie, or Kobe so u need better backcourt play....Just the fact Sasha is on our roster should tell you everything...what happened to the Cuban kid btw????

No, we definitely should not have drafted Mudiay. He is shooting 31% from the floor on 12 attempts a game and averaging 4 turnovers a game. He is actually going to get into the history books if he keeps it up as having one of the most inefficient seasons in the history of basketball.

Portis is not better than Porzingis. He's only managed to get on the court for 8 games this season and he had a monster game against us (surprise, surprise), but otherwise has done nothing to suggest he is anything special.

Porzingis is worn out already. He needs to sit some games. This was predicted by a lot of people before the season started. It is not ideal, but he is going to need to build stamina before he can do what he was doing earlier in the season on a regular basis again.

tiger0330
Dec 27, 2015, 12:43
Didn't see the game but the thread tells it all. Should have drafted Mudiay at 4 instead of the Zinger. The kid the Bulls drafted at the back end of the first round Portis is better than the Zinger...SEC player of the year and can shoot just like the Zinger...could have had them both but it is what it is... This will continue to happen until PJAx figures out he doesn't have MJ, Scottie, or Kobe so u need better backcourt play....Just the fact Sasha is on our roster should tell you everything...what happened to the Cuban kid btw????
I don't see how with hindsight you draft Mudiay over Porzingis. He's proving why he fell in the first place, he can't shoot yet and he's turnover prone, he didn't even make this rookie power rankings list even being beaten out by TJ McConnell at 11. Porzingis on other hand was ranked 3 behind KAT and Okafor. At this point Mudiay has a lot more development ahead of him than Porzingis and KP is looking like the better pick.

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/25424663/rookie-power-rankings-towns-still-historic-winslow-still-cant-shoot

I'm a fan of Bobby Portis, he had a great summer league and I was wondering why the Bulls are bringing him along so slowly, great pickup by the Bulls at 22. Similar to the Taj Gibson pick at 19 for them.

By the Cuban kid, do you mean Guillermo Hernangomez the Spanish kid we picked up in the 2nd round? He's playing for Real Madrid and not playing big minutes which is common for Euro teams and rookies. Hernamongez is averaging: 3.9ppg, 3.4rpg, .6bpg and shooting 67% in just 10mpg. I think with the front court depth the Knicks have he's not coming over for a couple of years.

Tkf
Dec 28, 2015, 13:42
The only hope we have is (1) Melo keeps playing the way he has since POR; (2) we slide into the abyss right now so quickly that Melo is forced to do a soul-check come end of Jan.

If we can find a way to trade Melo, Lopez, Affalo, Calderon for a young building block, a few assets or draft picks... Then we can earnestly build for the future.

Melo for Kyrie baby! Make it happen Phil.

CLE would sport a James-Melo-love front court and that could battle SA or GSW...

Bottom line: if NYK cannot get a legit PG by Aug... The Melo-PORZ won't work... You just can't compete in the NBA without guards... And we've had a bunch of dudes for basically a decade now.

let me ask you this. You are saying adding melo to the cavs and taking out kyrie makes the cavs a team that can now battle the warriors and spurs.

So basically you are saying that carmelo is better than kyrie( which he is not) but I will go along with it for arguments sake. Well if that is the case why would you want to trade carmelo for Kyrie?

with that trade you basically turn kevin love into the Center... Not going to work, and cleveland is just not that stupid..

Tkf
Dec 28, 2015, 13:46
I don't see how with hindsight you draft Mudiay over Porzingis. He's proving why he fell in the first place, he can't shoot yet and he's turnover prone, he didn't even make this rookie power rankings list even being beaten out by TJ McConnell at 11. Porzingis on other hand was ranked 3 behind KAT and Okafor. At this point Mudiay has a lot more development ahead of him than Porzingis and KP is looking like the better pick.

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/25424663/rookie-power-rankings-towns-still-historic-winslow-still-cant-shoot

I'm a fan of Bobby Portis, he had a great summer league and I was wondering why the Bulls are bringing him along so slowly, great pickup by the Bulls at 22. Similar to the Taj Gibson pick at 19 for them.

By the Cuban kid, do you mean Guillermo Hernangomez the Spanish kid we picked up in the 2nd round? He's playing for Real Madrid and not playing big minutes which is common for Euro teams and rookies. Hernamongez is averaging: 3.9ppg, 3.4rpg, .6bpg and shooting 67% in just 10mpg. I think with the front court depth the Knicks have he's not coming over for a couple of years.

I have watched every game mudiay played in. And he is more dynamic than porzingis.. He can get into the lane and he is a very slick passer.. His turnovers are up and his shot is iffy, but how many times have we seen that with guards? and how many times have they improved.. even if he turns into an average shooter, he will have the chance at being a top PG in this league.. He gives the knicks something they haven't had in years. A guy who can break down defenses, and create for others... the knicks don't have one player on this team that can do that.. and the teams that do look vastly superior to the knicks.. Look at what a guy like Isiah thomas did for the celtics...

mafra
Dec 28, 2015, 15:13
I have watched every game mudiay played in. And he is more dynamic than porzingis.. He can get into the lane and he is a very slick passer.. His turnovers are up and his shot is iffy, but how many times have we seen that with guards? and how many times have they improved.. even if he turns into an average shooter, he will have the chance at being a top PG in this league.. He gives the knicks something they haven't had in years. A guy who can break down defenses, and create for others... the knicks don't have one player on this team that can do that.. and the teams that do look vastly superior to the knicks.. Look at what a guy like Isiah thomas did for the celtics...

There's also folks who get paid to watch all these games and offer their opinion... and the majority (of those supposed experts in the NBA community) claim PORZ > Mudiay. At the very least, it's six in one hand and a half dozen in the other...

Still, Mudiay may be the next Jerry West... but if he is in street clothes... he's not helping his team much. IS he injury-prone? Well, it's too early to label him with that... BUT... it cannot be denied... his first 2 seasons of professional basketball... he's been injured (and early in the season). Muddily, more than PORZ, is reliant on his athleticism... take that away.... you have the reincarnation of Jayson Williams and Derek Rose.

All things equal... given our PG woes... I would've taken the perennial all-star PG over the first ballot HOF lanky PF if I was absolutely sold on EM, or had doubts about KP.

I'm happy and content with our pick....

Broadway
Dec 28, 2015, 20:02
There's also folks who get paid to watch all these games and offer their opinion... and the majority (of those supposed experts in the NBA community) claim PORZ > Mudiay. At the very least, it's six in one hand and a half dozen in the other...

Still, Mudiay may be the next Jerry West... but if he is in street clothes... he's not helping his team much. IS he injury-prone? Well, it's too early to label him with that... BUT... it cannot be denied... his first 2 seasons of professional basketball... he's been injured (and early in the season). Muddily, more than PORZ, is reliant on his athleticism... take that away.... you have the reincarnation of Jayson Williams and Derek Rose.

All things equal... given our PG woes... I would've taken the perennial all-star PG over the first ballot HOF lanky PF if I was absolutely sold on EM, or had doubts about KP.

I'm happy and content with our pick....


Mudiay has much to show and improve but all the tools are there and he's clearly THE point guard of this draft. OTOH there are players picked after #kporzee who are showing their talents...

Turner(before hand injury), Portis(lowkey could be the best big right now sans Towns), Kaminsky(his +/- is off the charts), Jokic(as tkf pointed out real skill in the paint 2014 2nd rd pick), Larry Nance Jr.(very underrated). Then there's Towns and Okafor obviously. Not including any other players drafted who have really good talent.

Prozingis has to be clearly better than all these guys for starters and close the gap on the established players, if our fortunes are to change.

htr10
Dec 29, 2015, 07:53
I don't understand people talking up Mudiay. I don't agree that all the tools are there. He can't shoot. He is a terrible shooter. He is one of the worst shooters ever so far given the volume with which he shoots the ball. He also turns the ball over a ton. I would argue his tools are lacking substantially. Take away the volume that he was getting with Denver lacking other options and his stats are crap. He is going to have a long career of coaches getting excited about him and then benching him.

Mudiay literally needs to fix a huge portion of his game to be an NBA player. He is the big project from this draft. Not a single winning team in this league would play him significant minutes right now.