Knicks Signing Noah for $18M/yr

tiger0330

Legend
Washington Post, the Sporting News reported the Wiz were going to offer him a max contract so if they wanted him they could offer him 19-20M and outbid the Knicks and pay way less than a max deal for him.

Phil has a meeting scheduled with Noah at midnight on July 1 lets hope it turns out better than last years meeting with Greg Monroe.
 

tiger0330

Legend
Noah wants to be in NYC nor DC:) this years' KNIcKs will be light years better on defense
If PJ has his ducks lined up, he'll have done all the legwork before his meeting with Noah and his agent and come out of his meeting with a signed contract or verbal committment. If he doesn't it tells me Noah is still shopping and might wind up somewhere else.
 

mafra

Legend
You cant officially sign until the 7th... Word is deal is official only when NYK finds out about KD.
 

mafra

Legend
Joakim Noah is reportedly "99 percent sure" that he'll join the Knicks as an unrestricted free agent.
Noah will meet with the Knicks on Friday, but it seems all but certain the New York native will be returning home this summer. Noah is reportedly set to earn an annual salary in the $18 million range, although Phil Jackson is trying to convince him to sign something closer to $15-$16 million in order to keep their options open of bringing in another impactful player during free agency. Noah will be the starting center in New York, but his injury history will make him a risky mid-round gamble on draft day.
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Source: Chicago Sun-Times Jun 30 - 4:29 PM
 

tiger0330

Legend
You cant officially sign until the 7th... Word is deal is official only when NYK finds out about KD.
Mark Cuban wishes he could walk out of the room with a signed contract after last year. Did they shorten the moratorium this year after the DJ fiasco last year?
 

mafra

Legend
ORLANDO, Fla. ? Joakim Noah will meet Friday afternoon with his hometown team in New York, and barring unforeseen circumstances, he is expected to fulfill his childhood dream of playing for the Knicks.

Dialogue on contract numbers began officially between the parties at 12:01 a.m. Friday with an NBA source saying it could average $17.5 million per year. The Vertical reported it could be as long as a four-year deal, which would be worth $70 million, but a final year could be mostly non-guaranteed.
?We?re not there yet,?? one NBA source told The Post early Friday morning.

Amid reports about the Knicks? interest in Kevin Durant, the 31-year-old Noah actually has been Phil Jackson?s No. 1 free-agent priority since the Derrick Rose trade so the Knicks can place the rugged 6-foot-11 Bulls center alongside 7-3 Kristaps Porzingis.

According to sources, the Wizards, once a heavy contender for Noah, have already conceded to Jackson?s Knicks.

Pending various cap holds for their own free agents, the Knicks have should have about $17 million in cap space to sign a starting shooting guard such as Courtney Lee and a backup point guard to Derrick Rose, who led the early recruitment of Noah.

The Post first reported Noah?s interest in meeting with Jackson, who is expected to be flanked by general manager Steve Mills and coach Jeff Hornacek. Carmelo Anthony is believed to have also talked to Noah, who ironically tried to recruit him to the Bulls during his 2014 free agency.

Meanwhile, Durant is off to the Hamptons to meet with five teams after a reported five-hour session in Oklahoma with the Thunder amid a report he?s ?90 percent? sure he will re-sign with OKC. The Knicks aren?t one of the teams, have realized their long-shot fate for a while, though Noah reportedly had talked to Durant about reconsidering. (The Knicks wouldn?t have cap space to get a max deal done anyway).

Hornacek, at no point mentioning Noah by name, said, in general, he wants to specify in recruiting meetings with free-agent centers that the Knicks are going for it now. He also wants to stress during the meeting he wants a center who is more than a defensive specialist. Noah, who played at Florida, is known for his rebounding and scrap but scouts believe he?s got a nice post game, too.

Under NBA rules, Hornacek was not permitted to talk about any free agents before Friday.

Noah played just 29 games last season because of a pair of shoulder separations, ?We have money, we have attractive pieces, the three guys, so I feel pretty confident we?re going to get a good player,? Hornacek said Thursday after summer-league practice. ?With the addition of Derrick Rose, we have Melo and Kristaps, it?s an attractive place to come. We got a great crop to work around to help us back into the playoffs.?

Hornacek said he wants to emphasize in meetings with prospective centers the triangle offense is sweet for a pivot, and Robin Lopez proved that last season when he emerged as a major low-post option.

?The biggest thing for the guys is look at some of the main components we have,?? Hornacek said. ?If they know they can go to a team that can win, that helps. We obviously want to solidify the defense from that spot. Robin was a guy who was very good at protecting the basket. We want that. We want a guy who can do it all. You can?t be one-dimensional in this league.

?He?s got to have a little bit of ability whether he can finish underneath, move around, make some mid-range shots. We want that ability,?? Hornacek added. ?Not just be a guy who?s going to set picks all the time, but going to be involved a little bit more than a lot of teams in the league. ? A lot of those [triangle] aspects, you?re going to have touches and make plays out of it. Maybe in early offense, in the open court, now you can set some picks and roll.?

The Knicks finished third-worst in the Eastern Conference last season at 32-50, a 15-game improvement from the 17-65 disaster of 2014-15.

But Hornacek believes the Rose trade has ended the perception they?re rebuilding around the young Porzingis and looking to be a beast in the East.

?You always want to win,? Hornacek said. ?New York, Los Angeles, they?re not markets [where you think], ?OK, you?re going through a rebuilding process.? ? They?re always on the win-now thought process.'?
 

GordonGecko

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mafra

Legend
There is skepticism attached to this, of course, and it really has little to do with Joakim Noah, even if those 29 games he played last year are a red flag, even if the fact he?ll turn 32 next February is another, even if the reported cost of securing his services for the next four years ? $72 million ? makes just about anyone with common sense take pause.

No, this is less about Noah than it is about Phil Jackson, than it is about James Dolan, than it is about all the ghosts that inhabit Penn Plaza, all the dreadful decisions and short-sighted signings, all the slapstick that reaches back so many years. This is about Knicks fans who have been promised so much and given so little since 2000 ? fans who, guaranteed, desperately want to believe in what the team is doing now.

And can?t. At least not automatically.

Because how could you? Because even in doing something that makes perfect basketball sense (assuming Noah can stay healthy), it is a stark reminder of all those horrific transactions that have brought the Knicks here. Noah, after all, was selected with the ninth pick of the 2007 draft. That pick was supposed to belong to the Knicks.

Only they?d already swapped it for Eddy Curry.

So yes: There is skepticism, and there is cynicism, and there is an unending sense of peril and doom, of waiting for shoes to drop and knees to shred and ankles to shatter. That?s life as a Knicks fan. If they managed to lure Kevin Durant here, Knicks fans would worry and wait for the inevitable flip side.

And why not? Antonio McDyess probably dunked a basketball without incident 10,000 times before the evening of Oct. 13, 2002. But on that night, he went up for a dunk and when he came down he fractured his kneecap. These are the things that mix with everything else ? the poor coaching hires, the dreadful trades, the forfeited draft picks ? and fortify every skeptical cell of every Knicks fan.

That?s the price of being perpetually putrid.

That said?

The Knicks matter again. They are relevant again. And if they can keep the band together ? Noah, Derrick Rose, Carmelo Anthony, Kristaps Porzingis ? for, say, 70 of the 82 games next year? That could be a team that makes noise in the Eastern Conference. It?s a playoff team. It?s a team that could actually win a round or two. And for all of those reasons, it is a gamble worth taking.

Look, the Knicks could have played this offseason safe, could have carefully hoarded their salary cap money and done what the basketball intelligentsia forever says is the smart thing, which is build organically, and deliberately. But look around the league. Look at how many teams are in a perpetual rebuild.

There are two ways to win big in the NBA. You either tank in the right year and wind up with a cornerstone player like Durant or LeBron James. Or you lure one of those players in free agency. In a different NBA ? one where salary was limitless ? or in a different world ? one where you still had to go to Madison Avenue, where it couldn?t come to you ? perhaps the Knicks could afford to be patient and deliberate.

But we don?t live in that world, and the Knicks don?t operate in that NBA. So you take risks. You roll the dice. You have little choice.

Honestly, it?s the same kind of wager the Mets made. Every single time one of their pitchers throws a slider now, the fans hold their breath. Pitchers get hurt. And it may well be they never again make the kind of run they made in 2015. But they did make that run. The pitchers did deliver according to the blueprints, and the Mets came within three games of a title.

Was that worth the risk?

Of course it was.

Will this Knicks risk be equally worthwhile? Look, if Rose?s knee blows out again, if Noah breaks down, then of course there?ll be a different answer. For now? After 16 years in purgatory? You have to say ?YES!?

Or at the least, you want to say yes. Of course you do. You want to be moved by the fact Noah grew up 10 blocks away from Madison Square Garden and on the day Chicago drafted him nine years ago he said, ?Growing up I was a Knicks fan and the Bulls used to make me cry as a kid.?

You want to buy in. You want to be all-in. And if this were the Spurs making this deal, or the Warriors, if it was one of the NBA?s sanctified Bright Young Minds doing this instead of Phil Jackson, you?d probably feel a lot better about it. Granted.

Still ?
 

knicksin60

Starter
ESPN is ripping the Knicks for the Rose and Noah deals but I bet you that if it were the Lakers, Celtics or Heat making these moves they'd declare them contenders.
 
ESPN is ripping the Knicks for the Rose and Noah deals but I bet you that if it were the Lakers, Celtics or Heat making these moves they'd declare them contenders.

Someone in particular on ESPN trashing the Knicks? I think you have to be pretty ignorant of the Knicks recent history to feel that strongly that taking a chance on Rose and Noah is a definite mistake for a floundering franchise.

My guess is that the Lakers are going to take much more of a thrashing for the contracts they are giving Mozgov and Deng when they have otherwise a very young, rebuilding team. Celtics need to land someone big in free agency, otherwise they will be criticized for not doing enough between the draft and free agency to get to the next level.

Heat don't get criticized because, even if they lose Wade somehow (which they won't), Riley always has always come through with some master plan to keep them relevant.
 

paris401

Starter
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Look, the Knicks could have played this offseason safe, could have carefully hoarded their salary cap money

well that's a bit misleading as according to the CBA, they don't have to spend the entire cap...BUT... there is a min that they have to dole out...
 

mafra

Legend
ESPN is ripping the Knicks for the Rose and Noah deals but I bet you that if it were the Lakers, Celtics or Heat making these moves they'd declare them contenders.

First of all, ESPN is missing the obvious: 2 years years ago at this time, PJ took over a team that had 1 first round pick in the next 3 years and the "star" player was on the verge of leaving (bc everybody said Melo to CHI was the ideal fit... Rose & Noah & Melo... all MVP caliber talent)...

Fast FWD 2 Summers... PJ has Melo about the same Price MEM just paid for Chandler Parsons, and now Rose & Noah are in NY.

Secondly, any astute observer who has seen every game Melo has played in NY... when the Knicks get average to above average PG play, on any particular night, the Knicks can beat anybody and look like a 50-win team. Upgrading from Calderon to Rose is a HUGE upgrade, even if DR only plays 60 games.

NYK bought Noah bc he is the perfect fit... He provides leadership (helping Melo in the department)... He is a slight upgrade over ROLO... He'll be what Wallace was for NY while playing like TC & ROLO (and he'll help mold and shape Porzingis, helping him on and off the court).

Oh, BTW, Mozgov just got 4/64...

Both Rose & Noah have life left in them... They both also represented arguably the best PG & C on the market... at least in terms of sign ability for NY & consistent, reliable on court production... Whiteside just got 100 mil for 1.5 good seasons (despite work ethic questions and fact he was benched)... Conley just signed for 156 mil!

What was the alternative? Trade Melo for the 3rd pick and Sullinger?

Knicks are improved and the brought in 2 tough, competitive professionals who enjoy beating their opponent. And, oh, we now have 3 guys not afraid to battle LJ.

Sure, it's easy to pile on NY... And, there's a chance Noah is done and Rose will get hurt again. Big deal. Rose will be gone in 12 months then. Noah can always provide Camby-like production off the bench regardless.

But, if both are healthy and have chip on their shoulder... if Melo plays like he did last year... and KP grows some... And we round this roster out... We'll battle for the EC crown... And, getting that experience for KP is invaluable... Real playoff experience.
 

tiger0330

Legend
First of all, ESPN is missing the obvious: 2 years years ago at this time, PJ took over a team that had 1 first round pick in the next 3 years and the "star" player was on the verge of leaving (bc everybody said Melo to CHI was the ideal fit... Rose & Noah & Melo... all MVP caliber talent)...

Fast FWD 2 Summers... PJ has Melo about the same Price MEM just paid for Chandler Parsons, and now Rose & Noah are in NY.

Secondly, any astute observer who has seen every game Melo has played in NY... when the Knicks get average to above average PG play, on any particular night, the Knicks can beat anybody and look like a 50-win team. Upgrading from Calderon to Rose is a HUGE upgrade, even if DR only plays 60 games.

NYK bought Noah bc he is the perfect fit... He provides leadership (helping Melo in the department)... He is a slight upgrade over ROLO... He'll be what Wallace was for NY while playing like TC & ROLO (and he'll help mold and shape Porzingis, helping him on and off the court).

Oh, BTW, Mozgov just got 4/64...

Both Rose & Noah have life left in them... They both also represented arguably the best PG & C on the market... at least in terms of sign ability for NY & consistent, reliable on court production... Whiteside just got 100 mil for 1.5 good seasons (despite work ethic questions and fact he was benched)... Conley just signed for 156 mil!

What was the alternative? Trade Melo for the 3rd pick and Sullinger?

Knicks are improved and the brought in 2 tough, competitive professionals who enjoy beating their opponent. And, oh, we now have 3 guys not afraid to battle LJ.

Sure, it's easy to pile on NY... And, there's a chance Noah is done and Rose will get hurt again. Big deal. Rose will be gone in 12 months then. Noah can always provide Camby-like production off the bench regardless.

But, if both are healthy and have chip on their shoulder... if Melo plays like he did last year... and KP grows some... And we round this roster out... We'll battle for the EC crown... And, getting that experience for KP is invaluable... Real playoff experience.
Great post, a combination of logic and inspiration. Well written as well. Go Knicks.
 

GordonGecko

Benchwarmer
ESPN is ripping the Knicks for the Rose and Noah deals but I bet you that if it were the Lakers, Celtics or Heat making these moves they'd declare them contenders.
Take it with a grain of salt. there are a LOT of Knicks haters all around the NBA, and I mean serious hate. They will never give the Knicks props for anything even if by miracle we won the title (it would be a fluke, we'll never repeat it, etc etc).

I have zero respect for the haters, they're completely biased
 

mafra

Legend
Take it with a grain of salt. there are a LOT of Knicks haters all around the NBA, and I mean serious hate. They will never give the Knicks props for anything even if by miracle we won the title (it would be a fluke, we'll never repeat it, etc etc).

I have zero respect for the haters, they're completely biased

Exactly. It was the same with my Denver Broncos (with Manning). DEN goes to 2 SB in 4 years and wins a title.

The would've been to a third, if not for one of the worse officiated games in NFL playoff history (BAL loss).... and when they played SEA in the SB, 8 defensive starters were out (hurt)...

They even beat Tom Brady twice in the AFC title game...
 

RunningJumper

Super Moderator
First of all, ESPN is missing the obvious: 2 years years ago at this time, PJ took over a team that had 1 first round pick in the next 3 years and the "star" player was on the verge of leaving (bc everybody said Melo to CHI was the ideal fit... Rose & Noah & Melo... all MVP caliber talent)...

Fast FWD 2 Summers... PJ has Melo about the same Price MEM just paid for Chandler Parsons, and now Rose & Noah are in NY.

Secondly, any astute observer who has seen every game Melo has played in NY... when the Knicks get average to above average PG play, on any particular night, the Knicks can beat anybody and look like a 50-win team. Upgrading from Calderon to Rose is a HUGE upgrade, even if DR only plays 60 games.

NYK bought Noah bc he is the perfect fit... He provides leadership (helping Melo in the department)... He is a slight upgrade over ROLO... He'll be what Wallace was for NY while playing like TC & ROLO (and he'll help mold and shape Porzingis, helping him on and off the court).

Oh, BTW, Mozgov just got 4/64...

Both Rose & Noah have life left in them... They both also represented arguably the best PG & C on the market... at least in terms of sign ability for NY & consistent, reliable on court production... Whiteside just got 100 mil for 1.5 good seasons (despite work ethic questions and fact he was benched)... Conley just signed for 156 mil!

What was the alternative? Trade Melo for the 3rd pick and Sullinger?

Knicks are improved and the brought in 2 tough, competitive professionals who enjoy beating their opponent. And, oh, we now have 3 guys not afraid to battle LJ.

Sure, it's easy to pile on NY... And, there's a chance Noah is done and Rose will get hurt again. Big deal. Rose will be gone in 12 months then. Noah can always provide Camby-like production off the bench regardless.

But, if both are healthy and have chip on their shoulder... if Melo plays like he did last year... and KP grows some... And we round this roster out... We'll battle for the EC crown... And, getting that experience for KP is invaluable... Real playoff experience.
I'm with you. The past injuries is why I'm not "excited", but I love these moves. Also if one of them gets hurt, we have a lot more talent (and these guys are hard workers) than before to pick up the slack.

To the people who are trashing this, give an alternative to what Phil could have done.
 
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