Workouts begin Thursday: Could we possibly be trading down?

http://www.newsday.com/sports/basketball/knicks/ny-spknix0604,0,1616857.story

A formaility workout I suppose.Looks like Westbrook is the only serious contender for the sixth pick and even that is a big reach! But the rest of the group would suggest that maybe we are considering moving down. No one in that pack is projected any better than a late lottery pick. We'll have to wait and see

Mass Criticism!

At the risk of being tarred and feathered by all my fellow Knick fans I have to ask this question, Why isnt Isiah Thomas invited to the Pre Draft workouts. Yes I know that for all of us the mere mention of his name may remind us of all our teams flaws, but he does have a decent eye for talent. We all love David Lee a pick that was booed, Even MSG and Metro like Balkman (another Isiah pick that was booed!). look most Isiah Thomas supporters will always use the draft as their logic for him being a good GM....I'm not one of those supporters, it takes more than just the draft, but, the man can pick them, and I'm not saying give him final say, or even major say (this pick is way too important to do that!) but atleast have him there as a resource.

Sound off !

Good thread NNY

Westbrook is another guy I would choose over Gordon. Westbrook is a lock down defender who averaged almost 5 assist in his first season of playing time. He's really a freshman because his 1st year @ UCLA he didn't play much. Westbrook is a monster athlete with a lot of ability to defend and play the PG. He also has potential with his jumpshot that has been questioned and can score the basketball at a high rate.

But then again; Augustin is that dude; Donny Walsh has been scouting him since Walsh was in Indiana.

Alexander is going to be a very good player. He blocks shots, shoots the basketball, is one of the best athletes in the draft, he bangs in the paint and rebounds well, he can take it to the basket and has good ball handling skills for a 6"8 SF/PF...he can PASS. I will say it right now, Alexander is the white Lebron.

Actually the man behind all of Isiah's draft decisions was Brendan Suhr.
He was with him for all the draft picks he ever made even way back as toronto.

Isiah is an ass. Keep in Europe or have him go scouting in the Afghan mountains.

So Crazy It Just Might Work!(hahaha)

Alexander is going to be a very good player. He blocks shots, shoots the basketball, is one of the best athletes in the draft, he bangs in the paint and rebounds well, he can take it to the basket and has good ball handling skills for a 6"8 SF/PF...he can PASS. I will say it right now, Alexander is the white Lebron.[/quote]


HAHAHA :teeth: thats funny as hell Metro! Alexander looks like the real deal! I'd take him at the 6th pick.

I've got a crazy idea on trading down.... I say trade Z-Bo and the pick either to NJ,Philly or any place else that would do it to get rid of his contract pick up a draft pick this year and one for next year, then we either take the pick from this year and take a chance on a player this year or trade it again for multable picks in the following year draft! We could possably have 4 or 5 picks in next years draft (2 regular picks and 2 or 3 picks aquired this year?). Then I'd wheel and deal next year again and do ANYTHING to be able to aquire Ricky Rubio and Hasheam Thabeat in next years draft! That would be the cats ass! The following year I think the Bulls or the Jazz get our first rounder, but thats the year I belive we might be able to aquire a "Super Star" (Lebron,Wade,Bosh ect.ect.ect.) What do you think of my crazy idea?

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Alexander is the real deal man. I've followed him throughout the Big East and his talent is above the rest. He has the potential to be a superstar i the NBA. He will be better than the current best white player; Dirk Nowitzki

oh boy u guys r really reaching.....joe alexander......... he like david lee with less ball control. he will pick up a lot of charges in the nba. if we do get him. bye bye to d.lee thats for sure.... they do the same thing

we should be trading down... but only for dj and possible westbrook. westbrook will come off the bench and provide a spark ala linsey hunter but is not expected to start at pg right away unlike dj can.

how bout this... trade the 6th pick to seatle for luke ridnor(2years 13 mil), their 24th pick and a secound rounder(seatle has 4 of them). draft robin lopez with the 24th pick and use the secound rounder on a potential type player that can develop in a few years when lbj23 comes over. then seatle can reunite dj with durant. im sure he would luv it and seattle will have flexability with their 4th overall.

Makes sense... right.:smokin:

if minny takes OJ then we trade down. i dont want to reach for westbrook mr. 9 minutes agame. lets trade down get rid of a contract and get DJ. the only problem with that is we would right then and there be saying by to marbury. i like the potential of marbs/craw/robinson backcourt in the run and gun. i dont care what happens really jsut want change

moneyg said:

oh boy u guys r really reaching.....joe alexander......... he like david lee with less ball control. he will pick up a lot of charges in the nba. if we do get him. bye bye to d.lee thats for sure.... they do the same thing

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ummm they play two completely different positions... lee would never ever play sf and alexander is a small forward and never a power forward.... plus on our team we have no real small forward its a huge hole weve had since sprewell and vanhorn left (our last winning teams) i do not consider q rich anything more then a 6th man... alexander could be that unselfish young guy who could score play d and pass... if you ask me i think he would be a good fit and a possible steal in the draft... the only problem is 6 might be a little high for this pick... however i think 6 is too high for both westbrook and dj as well so unless we decide to take sumone like a brook lopez or a randolph i would definately trade down to around the 10 - 12 range ... nj would be a good candidate here... here you can still get alexander and dj and you could also end up with a future pick for next year or 2010 a year we dont have a pick thanks to previous trades

brooklyn_baller318 said:

ummm they play two completely different positions... lee would never ever play sf and alexander is a small forward and never a power forward.... plus on our team we have no real small forward its a huge hole weve had since sprewell and vanhorn left (our last winning teams) i do not consider q rich anything more then a 6th man... alexander could be that unselfish young guy who could score play d and pass... if you ask me i think he would be a good fit and a possible steal in the draft... the only problem is 6 might be a little high for this pick... however i think 6 is too high for both westbrook and dj as well so unless we decide to take sumone like a brook lopez or a randolph i would definately trade down to around the 10 - 12 range ... nj would be a good candidate here... here you can still get alexander and dj and you could also end up with a future pick for next year or 2010 a year we dont have a pick thanks to previous trades

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these seem like a pf stats to me. lets face it.... he is an undersize pf

and even so with joe we would still have a hole in the 3.. he is not an upgrade to balkman or chandler... chandler has similar if not better stats in college than joe and he can shoot the three unlike joe

and as stated previously 6 would be too high for dj... i said trade down for him...

as far as nj.. taht would be ideal to get the 10th and 21st pick

p.s. lee has played sf..... for your boy isiah of course:smokin:

yea but we both know that there is no way lee is an every day sf

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i'll cut u some slack since were both from the county of the kings

i hear that one....
besides i would rather draft a player with much more of an upside ....
im down for taking more chances to to maybe end up with a bug reward


some people i hav in mind
randolph... jordan
both skinny and raw but both freak athletes like bosh and howard were both can rebound and score... also both can get up and down the court as big men which would let them fit right in with dantoni's system...
plus it allows and immediate replacement for curry and zbo if we can find a way to get rid of em

i know everyone is gunna shoot this down saying they are skinny raw too big of a risk but i dunno to me it seems that some of the people that have taken risks on these type of players in the past have ended up with stars down the road


what if we can find a way to get a second pick in the draft like around the 12 area... this could let us go after both dj and jordan or boith randolph and westbrook that could provide a fit and a risk with an upside

however dj and westbrook fill a need so i wouldnt be completely upset wiht them

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46WIRyG9_2Y

WOW! Maybe Westbrook is worth considering!

randolph and jordan are both good but theyre gonna go higher than we can manage

6 pick nets for 10th and 21st

dj with the 10th thats a given

21st i like robin lopez or javel magee i think they can contribute right away and they also have upside.. the sleeper is dorsey... but he will probly go in round 2

im done with curry but for some reason i want to keep zack, i think if yyou throw a young shot blocker like the ones mentioned above next to him it would be serious.. we could bring lee of the bench for zach
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Jordan isn't good.

Joe Alexander is a SF, if you watched enough games, you would know he's a SF who takes it to the basket and has an effective mid range game with a lot of perimeter skills. He's better than Balkman and Chandler put together, Joe has 3pt range, he just didn't have a good season shooting the 3. Regardless, Chandler could only dream of having his jumpshot.

McGee is RAW.

Robin Lopez is RAW too, he's a good defender though.

metrocard said:

Jordan isn't good.

Joe Alexander is a SF, if you watched enough games, you would know he's a SF who takes it to the basket and has an effective mid range game with a lot of perimeter skills. He's better than Balkman and Chandler put together, Joe has 3pt range, he just didn't have a good season shooting the 3. Regardless, Chandler could only dream of having his jumpshot.

McGee is RAW.

Robin Lopez is RAW too, he's a good defender though.

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jordan is good if u wish to gamble for a player with potential... thats waht the convo was about...raw palyers
those socalled sf skills that joe got wont work in the nba. hes suited as a pf on the next level like paul maslip joe took 173 3pt shots in college and made 51... thats not a good 3pt shooter chandler shot it at 33% in college and 30% in his first year with the knicks...a three point shooter should at least make 1/3 of there shots from the college 3 line
im not say joe anit good he just doesn't fit a need for us.. bout time he anywhere near ready to play the 3 in the nba... lbj23 will be in that spot with chandler backing him up...

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Jordan ISN'T good; do your research.

They will work, what other skills do you need to play SF in the NBA? Alexander is an athletic freak with perimeter/post skills. He's fucking 6"8 and 225, he would be challenged at PF, at SF he would had an advantage.

You're going based off stats, Alexander has a great jumpshot, similar to Grant Hill; great mid range shot. He doesn't need to be a 3pt shooter to be effective.

so tell me what sf in the NBA that shoot the COLLEGE 3pt @under 25% would have a chance in datoni's system...


i never said he wasn't better at this point than the other guys i mentioned that will be drafted behind... he just doen's fit our need at the sf

simple as that my dude:smokin:

Alexander is a Gerald Wallace, Alexander is the best SF in this draft. If we're going to draft a SF, its going to be him.

Carmelo can't shoot 3's either and manages to play SF. You don't have to be a 3pt specialist to play that position. SF is usually your most versatile player(inside and out)