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MSGKnickz33
Jan 02, 2009, 11:24
The Indiana Pacers (10-21) vs The New York Knicks (12-18)
Sun. 1/2 at 7:30pm ET on MSG


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Welcome to the MSGKnickz33 Pregame show and Happy New Years!!! Hopefully the Knicks can begin 2009 better then they ended 2008, with the exception of the win against the Bobcats. Wilson Chandler showed us encouraging signs in that game, as he was the go-to-guy down the stretch. Its still unclear who the Knicks go-to-guy is at this point. Sometimes its Nate Robinson, sometimes its Al Harrington, and most recently it was Wilson Chandler. We'll see what the new year has in store for the Knicks starting tonight.

The Indiana Pacers have lost 4 games straight. They have fallen to 10-21, and they have only won 3 of their last 10 games. The Pacers can however say something that no other team can say, they're the only team that can say they have beaten both the Lakers and the Celtics. The Knicks and the Pacers play a similar style. Indiani is 6th in points per game, and 4th in most points allowed per game. The Knicks are 3rd in points per game, and 2nd in most points allowed per game. Danny Granger will be a tough player to stop for the Knicks. Hes averaging just under 25 points per game.

Expect this to be a high scoring game. Both teams have no problem putting points on the board. Both teams also have no problems giving up over 100 points per game, it should be a fun game to watch. Its a winnable game for the Knicks. I expect it to be a close game in the 4th quarter, a couple of key stops is all it will take for either team to win this game.


If you were unable to see the Bobcats game heres the highlights:

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STARTING LINEUPS


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The Indiana Pacers

pg-Jarret Jack
sg-Marquis Daniels
sf-Danny Granger
pf-Troy Murphy
C-Roy Hibbert


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Backups: Jeff Foster, Brandon Rush, Travis Diener, T.J. Ford, Rasho Nesterovic, Stephen Graham, Josh McRoberts



AND NOW YOUR NEW YORK KNICKS!!!!


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AT POINT GUARD CHRIS DUHON
AT SHOOTING GUARD QUENTIN RICHARDSON
AT SMALL FORWARD WILSON CHANDLER
AT POWER FORWARD DAVID LEE
AT CENTER JARED JEFFRIES

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BACKUPS: AL HARRINGTON, NATE ROBINSON, TIM THOMAS, ANTHONY ROBERSON, MALIK ROSE, JEROME JAMES




MSG33 PresEnTs the KeY MatChuP: Wilson Chandler vs Danny Granger

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Wilson Chandler

Wilson Chandler will most likely be asked to defend Danny Granger, which is a difficult task for any small forward. If Chandler can slow Granger down and provide some offense of his own, the Knicks will be in very good shape. Chandlers stats so far this year have been impressive. Hes shown that he can do some of everything, so even in games where hes having scoring problems he can still make an impact with his defense and rebounding.

Chandlers 08-09 Stats

PPG 14.2
RPG 5.7
APG 1.9
SPG 0.9
BPG 0.9
FG% 0.423
FT% 0.808
3P% 0.302
MPG 33.3



Danny Granger

PPG 24.9
RPG 5.2
APG 3.3
SPG 1.0
BPG 1.4
FG% 0.451
FT% 0.844
3P% 0.376
MPG 36.2

Grangers putting up very good numbers so far this year. Hes been a problem for every team hes played against. How do you stop a player who can shoot, drive, post up, and pass? Granger has a complete game and at age 24 he still has time to improve.


The Official MSG33 Pregame Strategy:

Watch out for players like Troy Murphy
This game can be easily won with some defense
Team Defense!!! Trust Each other!!!
Crash the Boards!!! We cant afford to get badly outrebounded



Player Spotlight

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Chris Duhon

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Chris Duhon has had a career year because of Mike D'antonis seven seconds or less offense. Hes been one of the most consistent players on the Knicks this year and has shown that hes in great shape, playing big minutes. Averaging 8.5 assists per game, Duhon ranks 5th in the NBA.

PPG 12.0
RPG 3.8
APG 8.5
SPG 1.1
FG% 0.419
FT% 0.881
3P% 0.398
MPG 39.7


As we can see Duhon has been putting up very solid numbers. Hes not a great point guard, but he gets the job done. If he can do a solid job of running the Knicks offense tonight I can see them winning this game easily, especially if they play defense occasionally. I can also see Duhon getting 10 or more assists in this type of game.




Throwback Joint of the Day:

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Title:Da Mystery of Chessboxin
Album:Enter the Wu-Tang (36 Chambers)
Year:1993

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Knicks Upcoming Schedule:


Sun, Jan 4 Boston 6:00 PM
Tue, Jan 6 @ Oklahoma City 8:00 PM
Thu, Jan 8 @ Dallas 8:30 PM
Sat, Jan 10 @ Houston 8:30 PM
Mon, Jan 12 @ New Orleans 8:00 PM


Thanks for joining me for my pregame show. And remember to watch the Knicks Friday night on MSG and Happy Holidays to all!!!!!




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DaTPRiNCE
Jan 02, 2009, 11:29
nice thread MSG, and yea the key is the ranger vs Chandler matchup, but the difference maker for us will be Chandler, Granger isnt that much of a defender so Chandler should drive to the basket early and often and allow that to open up its outside game.....hope we could start a winning streak after that losing streak

im looking for Nate to have a bounce back game after a bad shooting game vs the bobcats

Akamu
Jan 02, 2009, 11:38
Slamming thread as usual MSGee

I better see stronger efforts, "surviving" the Bobcats? really? Lol wha the fucc

I'm still giving Chandler this year to do something with the opportunity presented.

What is Jefferies doing in the starting lineup? LoL is it 2010 yet?

Toons
Jan 02, 2009, 11:50
jeffereis played ok last game....he is gonna have big plays this game

D-Lee42fan
Jan 02, 2009, 12:31
Killin the thread again MSG, this should be a good game, 2 struggling teams squaring off. Indiana is good team, but granger is there best player and if we can shut him down we will win. We need the same defense from LEE and jeffries in this game, Chandler vs granger will be the key matchup of the game though.

JayJ44
Jan 02, 2009, 16:19
We have been playing pretty crappy lately. Even in that Bobcats game, there was a lot of room for improvement. Hopefully we pick it up against the Pacers. We're gonna have to, because this can be a dangerous team. They've beaten the best 2 teams in the league after all. I think we can pull this one out, but we'll have to shoot well and play solid defense. I predict a win for the Knicks though. Knicks-117 Pacers- 110

Pricey
Jan 02, 2009, 17:09
i expect Granger to run a muck 2nite unfortunately.
I cant believe NYK are faves to beat Indiana, crazy.
Hopefully Chandler can produce what he did in the 4th against Charlotte for 4 quarters and lead the lads to a win.

i hope u all had a safe and enjoyable Xmas and New Years, god bless.

Knicker23
Jan 02, 2009, 17:13
we reallly need Harrington to start playing better, at least to get him back in the starting line up...i mean it's better that at least Tim Thomas isn't starting but **** we just ain't go win many games with Jared Jefferies starting, and i think Qrich as well...we wouldn't be that bad if we had the line up we do tonight with Harrington and Robinson in place of Qrich and Jefferies..but hopefully they'll come off nicely off the bench...I didn't see much good from the Bobcats game, other then maybe Chandler having a semi good night, but i don't expect that consistently by anymeans...we played pretty good D with the steals so hopefully it'll translate again in this game..Knicks should win this game, but as i've seen in the last few games, I wouldn't put anything passed them..we really need these types of games if we have any hopes getting back to .500 / playoffs

nice thread btw

jpz17
Jan 02, 2009, 17:22
nice classic thread.. I gotta admit, with all these Yankee signings, I'm less interested in basketball for now lol

New New York
Jan 02, 2009, 17:27
Nice Game Thread MSG (have you been officially crowned MVP from last year yet?) Throwback was fire, I challenge anyone to find me four hotter Wutang versus than Masta Killah's last verse on that one.

Tonight is a game we could get, and we pretty much have to....now the way we have played recently there really isnt any sure victories at this point, which is a good thing in my opinion it should keep us focused regardless of who the opponent is.

Kiyaman
Jan 02, 2009, 18:19
Great thread MSG, the Granger vs Chandler part was Fan-Tastic....in another season or two I'm expecting Chandler to get a better hold on the NBA just like Granger but with a better overall stat in offense/defense.

Walsh Knicks vs Bird Pacers
Even match-up....just like last season....two defenseless teams......

TJ Ford vs Duhon & Nate

Nest & Foster vs Lee

Murphy vs Harrington

Being a Knick-Fan makes u want this WIN over a 10-21 record oponent.....But with Walsh new roster and coach D. short rotation makes u leary about any Knick WIN...

Knicker23
Jan 02, 2009, 18:34
Did Al Trautwig just say the knicks have the same record now as last year???

And where has Clyde been??

Ewing
Jan 02, 2009, 19:17
Anyone with a link of this game?

DaTPRiNCE
Jan 02, 2009, 19:35
^ try my p2p google the website dont know how its written but they almost always have links....

were looking bad so far cant get anything going

Ewing
Jan 02, 2009, 19:44
Yeah nothing on p2p nor justin tv.

DaTPRiNCE
Jan 02, 2009, 19:48
wow, thats wierd unno what other sites there are

JayJ44
Jan 02, 2009, 20:38
We're really playing like crap. So many idiotic turnovers, bad shots, and we can't knock down wide open shots. Not sure how it's so close, although the Pacers have had a lot of turnovers themselves. We can still win this one, but we have to play smart, and play hard. Thankfully, the Pacers are even worse than us at keeping leads.

TunerAddict
Jan 02, 2009, 20:59
God damn Jarret Jack...

JayJ44
Jan 02, 2009, 21:09
Doesn't it seem like every game, some random scrub drops 30 on us? I don't think I've ever heard of Jarret Jack before, and he got 29 tonight. Either way, we didn't play well. We started our comeback way too late, and allowed the Pacers to comeback late in the game. We need to limit our turnovers and improve our defense. Al Harrington had a very good game, hopefully this will get him out of his funk and get him playing like he did when he first got here. David Lee really played well, he was carrying us offensively for awhile. I'm not sure what to think of Jarred Jeffries. He can't make a layup to save his life, but he got 3 blocks and altered a lot of shots. Very dissapointing loss.

Knicker23
Jan 02, 2009, 21:18
yea i agree. no matter what team we play there's always someone to put up numbers on us no matter what...every team seems to have a go to guy like that that is better then the 'go to guy' we have....played pretty poorly in this game..woulda been nice to have a nice win off the Chandler 3 point play but didn't happen..knicks are really looking like a team that can't buy a win, it's becoming a fluke for them to not lose. instead of playing to win every game they are struggling not to lose and are failing. Not terrible D tonight but not a good performance overall..wayy to many turnovers..D Lee only one i saw play well...

abcd
Jan 02, 2009, 22:27
The Knicks are 6-14(.300), since trading Crawford and Randolph.

JayJ44
Jan 02, 2009, 23:40
The Knicks are 6-14(.300), since trading Crawford and Randolph.

Even with them, the record wouldn't be much different. Maybe 2-3 more wins at most.

DaTPRiNCE
Jan 03, 2009, 00:03
Harrington is back to his normal self Nate made some big plays throughout and Chandler is becoming our go-to-guy he made big plays when we needed them....though loss but we gotta turn the page got the celtics up next

Knicker23
Jan 03, 2009, 01:21
forgot to mention the terrible ending sequence that i noticed by the knicks with like 30 secs left...they were up like 2 or 3 i think, just terrible set play that ended up with Harrington throwing up a brick and losing the lead..I think Chandler came down next possession and got the nice 3 pt play but still...

Been watching sportscenter, its amazing how many game winning, last second shots i've seen tonight around the league.. we just don't have a go to guy right now for that type a thing..although Chander's play did make 6 on SC...

pat
Jan 03, 2009, 03:22
I don't think that it is a question of having a the go-to guy right now. Jarred Jack is hardly the Pacers go-to guy (even though he dropped 29 on us tonight).

I agree with you that we don't have a money time player right now, but as far as I can see the problem is that there is a lack of confidence in the system. That is the only reason I can see for the team not being able to play well in the last three minutes.

They should just do what they did in the 45 minutes before: move the ball well and take the open shot, even though you might not take much time of the clock. When I am coaching I prefer to see two points and less time of the clock, rather than 24 seconds of the clock and no points. Going for the stupid one-on-one in the last couple of minutes is pointless with our current roster. Instead of declaring one of the players to be the go-to guy, they should just stick to what they do best.

Arod2k9
Jan 03, 2009, 04:10
WE ARE NOT MAKING THE PLAYOFFS!!! I have been a Knicks fan since 1990 and want to best for our beloved team, but when have you seen such a dysfunctional team make the playoffs? The Knicks internally (Walsh and D'antoni) are tanking this season in my opinion. How the hell do you still have Marbury and Jerome James on this roster? Both of those players should of been bought out and the team should off added some players by free agency! How about getting Carlos Delfino/Jannero Pargo/Nenad Kristic from Europe a month ago? Well now is too late to get Kristic who signed with the Thunder a week ago. DW/D'antoni don't talk about making the playoffs when you're not even trying to have the best possible 12 men roster that your team could have. We are not 15 year olds who don't understand the game of basketball. Can you please release Roberson? This guy is not an nba player. If the Knicks want to tank is find by me since we don't have a draft pick in 2010 (Jazz own it). But hearing them talking about it is ridiculous to me. Just get it over with and trade Robinson and Lee since we all know is going to happen. They both are playing great and their stock is up. We will win around 29-31 games this year. We are NOT beating the Bucks, Heat, Nets, Bulls for the last playoff spots. The only reason to watch these games is to see the development of Chandler, Lee, Robinson, and hopefully Gallinari. I'm not very high on Chris Duhon and wish we don't re-sign him in 2 years.

The third consecutive loss to the Bucks ended my rooting of the Knicks this year. 3 straight games they didn't show up againts the same team is beyond me! Please Knicks fans don't suffer like I did during the first 25 games of the season! Just enjoy watching hopefully good basketball but in the end know that our team is not that good!

Kiyaman
Jan 03, 2009, 05:57
All the turnovers and bad shot selections the Knicks had in this game and the Knicks still had a chance at putting this game in the win column with Harrington taken the ball inside to score or get the foul in the last minute of the game. But Harrington takes a difficult 3-ball shot that misses with the game on the line (does he think his name is Reggie Miller?).

Knick-Fans have to LUV young Wilson Chandler who wanted the win on the next possesion by taking the ball straight to the basket for the "Dunk" and a foul to tie the game with seconds left.

I have to wonder about our Knick coach who playbook plan seems to be hyping the Knick Players up to shooting the 3-ball rather than work on pick n rolls to slash to the hoop with Duhon & Nate quickness....it is becomming obvious that our talent to win lies in the athletic talents of "Nate, Chandler, and Lee," our coach is not doing a good job at getting the best out of the other talents on this team. Especially in the 4th quarter and crunchtime....a team with just role-players could also win with the right offense and defense coach giving them instructions...

paris401
Jan 03, 2009, 07:46
jeffereis played ok last game....he is gonna have big plays this game

the line on your man

29mins
0-5 from the field
1-2 from the charity line
total 1 point
but he had
5 rebounds and
1 assist

another strong game for the ugliest guy in the nba.

face it this guy does'nt sux... he B L O W S...

MSGKnickz33
Jan 03, 2009, 10:37
That was a bad game, the knicks looked like they were hungover or sumthin. I think it was the turnovers that really killed us, its hard to win when you turn the ball over 21 times. Even though Chandler struggled it was good to see him hit a couple of clutch shots in the 4th.

metrocard
Jan 03, 2009, 12:23
the line on your man

29mins
0-5 from the field
1-2 from the charity line
total 1 point
but he had
5 rebounds and
1 assist

another strong game for the ugliest guy in the nba.

face it this guy does'nt sux... he B L O W S...

Tooons is always off with predictions

Toons
Jan 03, 2009, 17:53
the line on your man

29mins
0-5 from the field
1-2 from the charity line
total 1 point
but he had
5 rebounds and
1 assist

another strong game for the ugliest guy in the nba.

face it this guy does'nt sux... he B L O W S...

u seem to have left out the fact that he had 4 blocks....
also he had 3 last game...
u seem like a box score fan....so do u metro...i thougt someone of your knowledge would have swat down an unknown tryna get stripes for me dispite our differences, you all are stupid, we have the leagues most potent offense and you point out that jeff was 0-5? we need defense, we already have points. idiots

Toons
Jan 03, 2009, 17:56
also as i follow david lee's defensive improvements, might i also point out his 4 steals

Toons
Jan 03, 2009, 17:57
Tooons is always off with predictions

fukshot, y u sweatin me? i never give predictions...keep my name out ya mouth homeboy

JayJ44
Jan 03, 2009, 18:20
also as i follow david lee's defensive improvements, might i also point out his 4 steals

Steals are nice, but he needs to greatly improve his defense. He tends to let people blow by him for layups. He needs to either foul them, and let them earn it at the line. Or draw a charge, something other than just watching them. But he played great, and that mid-range jumper is looking better. He just has to learn how to play defense.

Toons
Jan 03, 2009, 18:29
im not saying he is there yet J, he is learning....so dont say it like he isnt trying and showing signs of improvements

JayJ44
Jan 03, 2009, 18:34
:agreed:
Effort is definitely not the problem with Lee, and he is slowly getting better.

pat
Jan 04, 2009, 04:52
he [Lee] needs to greatly improve his defense. He tends to let people blow by him for layups. He needs to either foul them, and let them earn it at the line. Or draw a charge, something other than just watching them.

But that is also due to a lack of help side defence. People will attack you more often in a triple-threat position once they know that there is going to be no proper help side defence. But that doesn't mean he hasn't got to try harder to stay in front of his man.

paris401
Jan 04, 2009, 08:48
u seem to have left out the fact that he had 4 blocks....
also he had 3 last game...
u seem like a box score fan....so do u metro...i thougt someone of your knowledge would have swat down an unknown tryna get stripes for me dispite our differences, you all are stupid, we have the leagues most potent offense and you point out that jeff was 0-5? we need defense, we already have points. idiots


sorry about leaving out the blocks... from now on i will only report on all the positives that jeffries does... expect short (very short) reports..

Toons
Jan 04, 2009, 20:27
sorry about leaving out the blocks... from now on i will only report on all the positives that jeffries does... expect short (very short) reports..

MY DUDE, u sound like u want eddy curry back.

20 pts
4 rebs
o blocks
4 turnovers

with our team, i cud care less if our center never scores a point EVER....we need blocks, and steals....we already can score with the best of em.

im not replying to u anymore, you obviously are stuck in 20 win season mentality

MSGKnickz33
Jan 04, 2009, 21:17
I dont think Paris wants eddy curry back :lol: