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JayJ44
Feb 08, 2009, 20:13
A true SG that can be a go-to scorer, or a shotblocking, defensive, rebounding center? What should we be concentrated on in the draft?

GoKnIcKsDLEE42
Feb 08, 2009, 20:15
i was just thinking about this when i was watching uconn play michigan the other day. Scorers can easily be found in the nba. Depending on our draft position, we need a guy like thabeet who can do what oden did to us tonight.

Red
Feb 08, 2009, 20:22
A true SG that can be a go-to scorer, or a shotblocking, defensive, rebounding center? What should we be concentrated on in the draft?

The better your Defense the less chances of needing a go to scorer. But both are needed.

Center - helps on both sides of the ball, Off/Def Boards, Blocks/Alters, Points in the Paint, Picks up easy fouls/put back points.:crossfingers:

DaTPRiNCE
Feb 08, 2009, 20:39
close call but i would say a Center who dictates the defensive side of things, an intimidator is desperately needed....you could find a clutch player with ease.

KING~POETIQ
Feb 08, 2009, 21:22
Definitely the center. Not too many of those shot blocking centers to go around. Most free agents in the next couple of years are going to be scoring guards (joe johnson, wade, lebron, melo, etc.) But a true center won't be available unless its via draft.

metrocard
Feb 08, 2009, 21:46
Trade 1

Francisco Garcia

for

Nate Robinson




Trade idea (because Milwaukee is cleaning house)

Villanueva (expiring)
Damon Jones (expiring)

for

Harrington (1 year)
Anthony Robertson

or

Harrington
Chandler

for

Camby(expiring in 1 year)
DeAndre Jordan

Clippers
Davis/Hart
Gordon/Davis
Harrington/Chandler
Randolph/Thorton
Kaman/Skinner


FINAL TRADE


THE BLOCKBUSTER

David Lee
2009 first round pick
Jerome James
Eddy Curry

for

Amare Stoudimire
Goran Dragic


Phoneix Suns
Nash/Barbosa
Richardson/Barnes
Hill/Tucker
Lee/Lopez
Shaq/Curry/James


New York Knicks
PG - Chris Duhon/Goran Dragic
SG - Francisco Garcia/Quentin Richardson
SF - Danilo Gallinari/Tim Thomas
PF - Amare Stoudimire/Ared Efferies
C - Marcus Camby/DeAndre Jordan

metrocard
Feb 08, 2009, 22:02
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Mr_3037
Feb 09, 2009, 07:17
Guess not...

I agree with the majority in that we need a defensive BIG...

Like a Dampier type of guy that CAN score if he gets the ball under the basket but doesnt NEED to score...

I am liking Metro's trades, but to be honest, they will never happen! Probably because too many of us would WANT them too! hahah

I see this team as having fire power scoring wise, but we OBVIOUSLY lack defense...
All aspects of our D probably sux, but I see it like this, it's a lot tougher stopping a guy scoring inside then it is outside as we have all seen that when ppl aint shooting the ball well then you almost dont need GOOD perimeter D.....but with Jeffries and D-Lee as out 'Men in the Middle' we are lacking BIG TIME....

If we could trade Nate for a BIg in a GOOD trade then yeah pull that trigger...

We all have to also consider D-Lee as the last thing we would wanna so is get nada in return for him if we cant re-sign him etc....

If we have a decent BIG man, we'd be 8th seed - Bank on that!!!!

dave2138
Feb 09, 2009, 07:44
What about BJ Mullens in the draft? Everything I hear about him is that he has top 5 pick talent, but because he isn't really nba ready and may take a year or 2 to develop into a great player, he may slip to picks 10-15.

metrocard
Feb 09, 2009, 08:33
1. Everyone in the NBA needs a defensive big except the Celtics/Cavs
2. Dampier is done
3. I know you like my trades, I never said they will happened. Just realistic/fair trade suggestions. If you want to argue against that, try your best.
4. Thanks for stating the obvious, yawn.
5. If if if...most realstic trade of Nate is for another guard...big men are not easy to get in the NBA...forget about Nate being traded for a good big man...you make no sense, you're not naming players, just keep bringing up this fantasy "good" big man we never heard of. When you come with sources, rumors and substances...then next time your post would actually be interesting.
6. We have a decent big man. David Lee.
7. You're dismissed.

_______√ictory_______
Feb 09, 2009, 09:24
Camby and Tyson chandler are possibilities donnie should explore.
i think we can actually get them.that would be my ideal frontline for 2010,
(other than possibly drafting thabeet or monroe)and we can get them now.
D'antoni needs to let danilo and chandler play together more
so they can get assimilated with one another.
if they are our future sg/sf, they should start building that chemistry.

smokes
Feb 09, 2009, 09:41
Camby and Tyson chandler are possibilities donnie should explore.
i think we can actually get them.that would be my ideal frontline for 2010,
(other than possibly drafting thabeet or monroe)and we can get them now.
D'antoni needs to let danilo and chandler play together more
so they can get assimilated with one another.
if they are our future sg/sf, they should start building that chemistry.

Camby maybe, Clippers got a decent big man in Kaman already, contract nicely matches up with some of ours too.

Chandler I don't think so, Hornets are going pretty strong this year and I don't see them wanting to give up a 26 yr old 7'1 center who's pretty good.

Kiyaman
Feb 09, 2009, 11:00
We need a Defensive Coordinator Coach to go alongside of No-D Dantoni coaching style....before we add any new player to this Knick-Roster....recall our coaching-staff the past 5 years were actually ten times worst than our players....one on one individual-players performance b/c we had no team-chemistry on defense or offense being coached by the staff.

Coach Dantoni got us passing and moving the ball around to at least find the open man....even if the open man is at the 3-point line we are able to find him.
However....our defensive setup is poor poor poor allowing teams to score above 110 a game. We are playing with chemistry on offense....but.....we dont want to become another Phoenix Suns team that lose the big contest b/c of lack of defense. Last Night Game.... Knicks at Portland was enough proof to prove where we are headed without a "Defensive coordinator coach" on our coaching staff.

David Lee stated "no one was told we had a foul to give in the final 4 seconds during the time-out".

Dantoni-Fans I know u r out there....and u believe Dantoni cant do no-wrong....but the Portland game showed 48 minutes of Knick coaching incompetence.

JayJ44
Feb 09, 2009, 15:30
We need a Defensive Coordinator Coach to go alongside of No-D Dantoni coaching style....before we add any new player to this Knick-Roster....recall our coaching-staff the past 5 years were actually ten times worst than our players....one on one individual-players performance b/c we had no team-chemistry on defense or offense being coached by the staff.

Coach Dantoni got us passing and moving the ball around to at least find the open man....even if the open man is at the 3-point line we are able to find him.
However....our defensive setup is poor poor poor allowing teams to score above 110 a game. We are playing with chemistry on offense....but.....we dont want to become another Phoenix Suns team that lose the big contest b/c of lack of defense. Last Night Game.... Knicks at Portland was enough proof to prove where we are headed without a "Defensive coordinator coach" on our coaching staff.

David Lee stated "no one was told we had a foul to give in the final 4 seconds during the time-out".

Dantoni-Fans I know u r out there....and u believe Dantoni cant do no-wrong....but the Portland game showed 48 minutes of Knick coaching incompetence.

A defensive coach isn't gonna do much when your players all suck at defense.

The players should know if they have a foul to give or not. If they didn't know, they should ask. It's common sense, you can't blame the players not knowing they had a foul to give on the coach. It's the players job to be aware of that.

Mr_3037
Feb 09, 2009, 15:57
1. Everyone in the NBA needs a defensive big except the Celtics/Cavs
2. Dampier is done
3. I know you like my trades, I never said they will happened. Just realistic/fair trade suggestions. If you want to argue against that, try your best.
4. Thanks for stating the obvious, yawn.
5. If if if...most realstic trade of Nate is for another guard...big men are not easy to get in the NBA...forget about Nate being traded for a good big man...you make no sense, you're not naming players, just keep bringing up this fantasy "good" big man we never heard of. When you come with sources, rumors and substances...then next time your post would actually be interesting.
6. We have a decent big man. David Lee.
7. You're dismissed.

Damn Metro you do have quite a chip on your shoulder dont you???

Or did your mummy not hug you when you were little or something....

Sh!t man I was just posting what i think on a forum and because you got done by me on another topic you try and get at me....

Truth be told I dont know all the in's and out's of how trades work etc liek with salaries and all that jazz.....Hence why I liked your trades and you are prompting for me to argue against them>>>????

Dude needs a hug or something!!

Fact is this topic asks what we need a Big Man or a Shooter......it doesnt state names etc.....so neither did I.....

I live in Australia, and it's hard to catch many NBA games let alone have sources this and that......I have no problem admitting that you would have a much better knowledge of players going round these days etc as you would be able to watch a lot more of it.....hence why i agreed with you in another thread Re Will Bynum....

Yeh D-Lee is a good big, but I never said he wasnt so dont know why you even mentioned that...??

But Metro for real, go get a Coke and a smile, a hug, or do something man.....cos you come off like you have 'Little Man Syndrome' or something having to attack me after I even agreed on your trades etc....


So now I will wait for you to come back at me like some marshmellow thug, dissin me for this and that etc....

_______√ictory_______
Feb 09, 2009, 17:19
Camby maybe, Clippers got a decent big man in Kaman already, contract nicely matches up with some of ours too.

Chandler I don't think so, Hornets are going pretty strong this year and I don't see them wanting to give up a 26 yr old 7'1 center who's pretty good.

camby we could probably get for harrington straight up.
New York Knicks


<table class="tablehead" style="clear: both;" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tbody><tr class="colhead"><th colspan="2">Incoming Players</th></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td width="35">http://a.espncdn.com/i/headshots/nba/players/35/125.jpg</td><td valign="top">Marcus Camby
Salary: $10,000,000 Years Remaining: 2
PTS: 11.7 REB: 12.8 AST: 2.2 PER: 20.45
</td></tr></tbody></table>
Outgoing Players: Al Harringtonhttp://a.espncdn.com/i/teamlogos/nba/sml/trans/lac.gifLos Angeles Clippers



<table class="tablehead" style="clear: both;" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tbody><tr class="colhead"><th colspan="2">Incoming Players</th></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td width="35">http://a.espncdn.com/i/headshots/nba/players/35/308.jpg</td><td valign="top">Al Harrington
Salary: $9,226,250 Years Remaining: 1
PTS: 20.2 REB: 6.2 AST: 1.3 PER: 15.54
</td></tr></tbody></table>
Outgoing Players: Marcus Camby

and as i said in my trade lee thread,

allow me to quote myself:cool:

rumor has it the hornets owner is having financial trouble, which is the reason why their have been the rumors of trading chandler.
i'd trade lee and rose for tyson in a heartbeat.
New Orleans Hornets


<table class="tablehead" style="clear: both;" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tbody><tr class="colhead"><th colspan="2">Incoming Players</th></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td width="35">http://a.espncdn.com/i/headshots/nba/players/35/739.jpg</td><td valign="top">Malik Rose
Salary: $7,647,500 Years Remaining: 1
PTS: 1.6 REB: 1.9 AST: 0.5 PER: -3.26
</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td width="35">http://a.espncdn.com/i/headshots/nba/players/35/2772.jpg</td><td valign="top">David Lee
Salary: $1,788,033 Years Remaining: 1
PTS: 16.2 REB: 11.8 AST: 1.9 PER: 18.76
</td></tr></tbody></table>
Outgoing Players: Tyson Chandlerhttp://a.espncdn.com/i/teamlogos/nba/sml/trans/nyk.gifNew York Knicks



<table class="tablehead" style="clear: both;" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tbody><tr class="colhead"><th colspan="2">Incoming Players</th></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td width="35">http://a.espncdn.com/i/headshots/nba/players/35/984.jpg</td><td valign="top">Tyson Chandler
Salary: $11,350,000 Years Remaining: 3
PTS: 8.8 REB: 8.3 AST: 0.5 PER: 14.18
</td></tr></tbody></table>
Outgoing Players: Malik Rose, David Lee

DaTPRiNCE
Feb 09, 2009, 19:10
im digging that quoted deal Chandler is a great C he gets the job done and i just as good if not better then Lee at the pick-and-roll

but i really think we should package Lee and get STAT

StreetDreams21
Feb 09, 2009, 21:48
A defensive coach isn't gonna do much when your players all suck at defense.

The players should know if they have a foul to give or not. If they didn't know, they should ask. It's common sense, you can't blame the players not knowing they had a foul to give on the coach. It's the players job to be aware of that.

not necessarily. 50% of defense is hustle and awareness. the other 50% is skill.

and yes, it is the player's job. They should've and realized they have a foul to give, so obviously, the coach would take the heat.

_______√ictory_______
Feb 10, 2009, 10:10
bottom line is, we need to start with the interior on this team.
so camby and t chandler are my preferences.
lee would do fine in new orleans.

OGKnickfan
Feb 10, 2009, 11:01
Hell no to drafting a guard, we need a center, just like we did last year, and the year before that. We already can see the results of drafting Gallo, instead of Brook Lopez, who's already kicking butt, not being developed, or whatever it is that's supposed to be happening with Gallo.

Ewing carried a pack of mediocre players deep into the playoffs, year after year, and, since screwing him over, because he asked for a two year deal, after which he said he'd retire, and because we thought Camby was better and that the Knicks were better without him, we've been losing, non-stop.

The key to winning, in the NBA, is at the five. When you double up, with two centers in the starting lineup, it usually means championship contender, for that team. Think about the Spurs, with Duncan and Robinson, same thing with Bynum and Gasol, and Garnett and Perkins.

Too bad we didn't get Lopez, the guy's a real big man; but we can still work to get one, one that's better than Camby: dude got murdered, last year, in the first round, by Gasol and Odom. I can't go to war with Camby as my big man, dude is a soft choke artist, with no clutch.

Paul1355
Feb 10, 2009, 11:37
A true SG that can be a go-to scorer, or a shotblocking, defensive, rebounding center? What should we be concentrated on in the draft?

1) let me just bust out the facts to prove that Shot blocking is more important for this team.........LAST PLACE IN BLOCKED SHOTS LAST YEAR AND NOT IMPROVING THIS YEAR BY MUCH.

2) A good shot blocker can come in any size or form.......we have a small team, especially in the front court......this makes us worse defensively against bigger and stronger players overall. Atleast having a guy that is over 7 feet can cause problems in the post with his size....we don't even have that.

We have a team of small players who can not play defense and can only score and rebound.


Jay J....you do make a good point in saying that we need a clutch SG....I have said numerous times that our two main priorities are getting a shot blocking center and then next in line is a clutch scoring SG.....Duhon, Nate, Q Rich, Chandler are all playing out of position when playing the SG role.

And non of those guys can take over a game like most SG in the league can.

We don't have a go-to-guy and yes that is huge to our success in crunch time and execution......BUT not having a shotblocker will make us get blown out in games, and force us to always have to be in crunch time when we SHOULD NOT be in crunch time.

A shot blocker can change the entire game for a team. And we need that difference. And we need it soon.

JayJ44
Feb 10, 2009, 15:43
not necessarily. 50% of defense is hustle and awareness. the other 50% is skill.

and yes, it is the player's job. They should've and realized they have a foul to give, so obviously, the coach would take the heat.

Exactly, a coach can't teach hustle, awareness, or skill. If a player doesn't have any of those things, the coach won't make much of a difference.

Seems like the consensus here is the shotblocker. I agree, can't be a contending team without a good C anchoring the defense. But we will have to address the hole at SG eventually. It doesn't only hurt us offensively, but we usually don't have anyone to guard the opposing SG. But the center should be our top priority.

MSGKnickz33
Feb 10, 2009, 16:35
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best post in this thread

nazrmohamed
Feb 10, 2009, 16:41
The problem with these types of discussions are the fact that Hasheem Thabeet is gonna be gobne by the time we draft unless we start tanking right now, and most of us dont wanna do that. And its not like theres somesecond best option who does the same things later in the draft either. Second is this idea that we need a shotblocking Center. We dont need a SBC we need an all around Center who as part of his game blocks shots, and theres a huge difference. Thinking of grabbing specialists is something isiah does and is the reason we landed Jeffries. Stop trying to fill one need and just grab the best players available. Its different when someone was a great all around collegiate athlete and to make it in the NBA they focus on blocking. What you guys are doing is grabbing a guy who had to specialize in college because he couldnt dominate in everything. And thats why that shotblocker you guys speak of will probably be a current NBA player.

SG is probably a more pressing need only because there are a couple that could be had in our area. Chase Buddinger, Gerald Henderson, Demmar Derozen. I know we all wanna hear that Griffen and thabbeet are commin but its just not gonna happen.

Red
Feb 10, 2009, 17:20
Hell no to drafting a guard, we need a center, just like we did last year, and the year before that. We already can see the results of drafting Gallo, instead of Brook Lopez, who's already kicking butt, not being developed, or whatever it is that's supposed to be happening with Gallo.

Ewing carried a pack of mediocre players deep into the playoffs, year after year, and, since screwing him over, because he asked for a two year deal, after which he said he'd retire, and because we thought Camby was better and that the Knicks were better without him, we've been losing, non-stop.

The key to winning, in the NBA, is at the five. When you double up, with two centers in the starting lineup, it usually means championship contender, for that team. Think about the Spurs, with Duncan and Robinson, same thing with Bynum and Gasol, and Garnett and Perkins.

Too bad we didn't get Lopez, the guy's a real big man; but we can still work to get one, one that's better than Camby: dude got murdered, last year, in the first round, by Gasol and Odom. I can't go to war with Camby as my big man, dude is a soft choke artist, with no clutch.

:agreed:

Exactly. This isn't rocket science. Solid big man/D = legit competitor.
My issue when we didn't draft a big again is this: Big men take time to develop. They are asked to do much more than a player on the wing. Their all around game is VERY important to success. Yet D Walsh chose to go SF (SMH) knowing to compete we needed a center immediately to start developing. I can picture drafting a big (last yr) and he fouls out a lot, and sprains an ankle, and then his toe is F*cked up etc... taking time before really developing and not being able to contribute but with work becomes formidable. Look at the years dedicated to Oden and Howard and they STILL have room for improvement so imagine. A big needs time to develop.
Gallinarri over Lopez = Donnie FAILED.

abcd
Feb 10, 2009, 18:36
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In Starbury we trust. :pimp:

DaTPRiNCE
Feb 10, 2009, 18:38
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In Starbury we trust. :pimp:

Word:beer:

knicksfancris
Feb 10, 2009, 20:29
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i know u want fransico and villanueva por k son dominicano me to man lol

knicksfancris
Feb 10, 2009, 20:32
we have to trade marbury for jermaine onieal that who we need and tronto will be happy will have atrue point gaurd and if anything is contract is finsih this year and they could get somebody good next year to help bosh and marbury is going to plat to his fullest this year because he want that money for next year lol

Kiyaman
Feb 11, 2009, 06:08
Getting a defensive player without having a defensive coach is useless....Dantoni and Kurt Thomas did not hit it off b/c Kurt wanted other players beside Bell to participate on defense.

DaTPRiNCE
Feb 11, 2009, 11:02
after last nights loss that proved how much we need a shot blocking C....