Summer of 2010 Kincks v. Bulls

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TheBigCock

Benchwarmer
Okay let's break it down. The ESPN hype machine has been repping one teams players over anothers.

Let's do the anonymous player test. Based soley on 2009-2010 with respective team. Per 36 Minutes

Player A:
20.3 PPG, 3.7 RPG, 5.9 APG, 0.7 SPG, .3 BLG

Player B:
16.0 PPG, 5.2 RPG, 1.8 APG, 1.0 SPG, .8 BPG

Player C:
15.6 PPG, 4.0 RPG, 1.8 APG, 1.1 SPG, .1 BPG

Player D:
15.4 PPG, 5.4 RPG, 2.1 APG, .7 SPG, .8 BPG

Player E:
12.8 PPG, 13.2 RPG, 2.5 APG, 0.6 SPG, 1.9 BPG

Players A is Derrick Rose. He is the best player out of this group and there is no point of arguing against it.

Player B is Danilo Gallinari. He has not even been mentioned by ESPN at all. We all saw Danilo develop from a soley 2 point shooter, to a guy who is willing to drive the ball and force fouls with his 6'11 height.

Player C is Bill Walker. His numbers are only from his tenure with the Knicks. I know it is a small sample size, but if he can hit those threes and dunk like a slam dunk champ, he would be a nice fit for LBJ.

Player D is Wilson Chandler. I was a little surprised by his numbers. He has been improving ever since he joined the league. He offers us flexibility at the 2 and 3. He is another good, yet movable piece for the Knicks. I am hoping the T-Wolves get the number 1 pick this year, so they could trade either Rubio or Flynn.

Player E is Noah. He has been hyped so much by ESPN. You would think the guy is averaging 20 PPG. Sure he does offer something the Knicks don't have in defense, but that's about it. The Knicks probably can't replicate his defensive performance with either Lee or Bosh, but the Knicks could draft a defensive specialist in the draft.

All love for players A and E and no love from B,C, and D.

Don't forget too, that Toney Douglas is averaging 15.9 PPG in 36 minutes.
 
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lilman_bklyn

Rotation player
TheBigCock said:
Okay let's break it down. The ESPN hype machine has been repping one teams players over anothers.

Let's do the anonymous player test. Based soley on 2009-2010 with respective team. Per 36 Minutes

Player A:
20.3 PPG, 3.7 RPG, 5.9 APG, 0.7 SPG, .3 BLG

Player B:
16.0 PPG, 5.2 RPG, 1.8 APG, 1.0 SPG, .8 BPG

Player C:
15.6 PPG, 4.0 RPG, 1.8 APG, 1.1 SPG, .1 BPG

Player D:
15.4 PPG, 5.4 RPG, 2.1 APG, .7 SPG, .8 BPG

Player E:
12.8 PPG, 13.2 RPG, 2.5 APG, 0.6 SPG, 1.9 BPG

Players A is Derrick Rose. He is the best player out of this group and there is no point of arguing against it.

Player B is Danilo Gallinari. He has not even been mentioned by ESPN at all. We all saw Danilo develop from a soley 2 point shooter, to a guy who is willing to drive the ball and force fouls with his 6'11 height.

Player C is Bill Walker. His numbers are only from his tenure with the Knicks. I know it is a small sample size, but if he can hit those threes and dunk like a slam dunk champ, he would be a nice fit for LBJ.

Player D is Wilson Chandler. I was a little surprised by his numbers. He has been improving ever since he joined the league. He offers us flexibility at the 2 and 3. He is another good, yet movable piece for the Knicks. I am hoping the T-Wolves get the number 1 pick this year, so they could trade either Rubio or Flynn.

Player E is Noah. He has been hyped so much by ESPN. You would think the guy is averaging 20 PPG. Sure he does offer something the Knicks don't have in defense, but that's about it. The Knicks probably can't replicate his defensive performance with either Lee or Bosh, but the Knicks could draft a defensive specialist in the draft.

All love for players A and E and no love from B,C, and D.

Don't forget too, that Toney Douglas is averaging 15.9 PPG in 36 minutes.
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You guys are killing me... so you guys truly believe the Knicks Roster is better than the Bulls Roster now? Seriously? I love the Knicks, but at least i'm a realist. You guys have to start leaning towards reality when making these post. it's not Hype.. The Knicks are crap minus Lee and possibly Gallo... point blank
 
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TheBigCock

Benchwarmer
lilman_bklyn said:
You guys are killing me... so you guys truly believe the Knicks Roster is better than the Bulls Roster now? Seriously? I love the Knicks, but at least i'm a realist. You guys have to start leaning towards reality when making these post. it's not Hype.. The Knicks are crap minus Lee and possibly Gallo... point blank
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Yet ESPN appoints Noah as the second coming of Christ even though Chandler, Walker, and Danilo are better players.
 
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lilman_bklyn

Rotation player
TheBigCock said:
Yet ESPN appoints Noah as the second coming of Christ even though Chandler, Walker, and Danilo are better players.
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Better Players? Really? This guy plays better defense than any of those 3... he blocks shots, he averages a double double... Better Players.... C'mon Son, be for real
 
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iSaYughh

Starter
We *will* be superior for Lebron when we use up our cap space in de fact "joint" signings to go along with The King coming. Of course CHI has more on-paper-firepower than we right now.

But if Lebron comes the world is ours; and when the world is ours the world is Lebron's.

Bosh bends Rose over like the gay flower-named player he is in one fell swoop.

Douglas is a perfect hybrid PG to play alongside Lebron.

And Noah is extremely solid as a starting C, but is dime a dozen compared to Gallo. A big who can block shots, move, and play some D and give hustle.

A 6'11 SF with elite shooting touch and range, clutch gameness, D, and a growing slashing game to keep teams honest and on edge when they are already petrified of Bron....Gallo may never translate into a great player by himself (though he may...Noah will never be so), but paired with Lebron -- or really, any well-designed team -- he is a bigtime asset to the roster.

Douglas, Gallo, Bosh...pair so well with Lebron it's downright filthy.

With our abundant other assets to procure a C, no team is positioned as we are to give Lebron what he most wants.

Not now, and certainly not in the future.

CHI is the suckers play when all is said and done, and it's no surprise ESPN Tulip-****ers are all over it.
 
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Oldtimer

Rotation player
LeBron's Choices

If LeBron makes a purely "basketball" decision, he goes to Chicago. There he will have the best chance of winning championships sooner.

I do not think Lebron is going to make a "basketball" decision. Loyalty alone will keep him in Cleveland but that would be very costly to him. Cleveland does not have a very good team and has no cap space.

I think LeBron wants New York. It will fit his ego. If you make it there, you can make it anywhere. But I am sure he wishes the Knicks had a defensive center and a decent point guard.

I had thought he would stay in Cleveland but now think there is a good chance he will leave. I think we have a shot.

If we miss him, however, we are going to have problems. Without him, other front liners -- Wade, Bosh, Amare -- will all have better options elsewhare at the same or better max salaries.
 
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Red

TYPE-A
NY offers the opportunity of a life time!

lilman_bklyn said:
You guys are killing me... so you guys truly believe the Knicks Roster is better than the Bulls Roster now? Seriously? I love the Knicks, but at least i'm a realist. You guys have to start leaning towards reality when making these post. it's not Hype.. The Knicks are crap minus Lee and possibly Gallo... point blank
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You're forgetting somethings:

1. We have a former Coach of the Year, WCFinalist, with a system that increases stats from good to potentially great. The Bulls have no coach or identity.

2. In CHI, currently it's about Rose. Historically it's about Michael Jordan. Imagine having to address that comparison on a nightly & yearly basis. In NY this will be LBJ's and his sidekicks team.

3. Chemistry... is one of the most underrated assets. Building a team means building chemistry, especially when the "star" picks his players to his liking. In CHI, LBJ will have to "fit" into their already developed chemistry. He won't.

4. Rose dominates the ball for success- LBJ and him will clash, it's not an ideal tandum.

5. CHI luckily drafted "the best player ever", then luckily got the #1 pick in Rose (even though the odds were against them). Now we should support another supreme luck acquision after we planned for over 2 yrs?

6. Bosh is better than any big CHI has, period. That must be factored in.

7. Gallo hit the 2nd most 3 pointers in the league- in his 1.5 season- there's room for improvement

8. Lee can be valuable as he led the league in 2x2's, he made the allstar team, we own his rights

9. Eddy Curry amd his 11mil are expiring... leaving the potential for ANOTHER max FA! Can CHI offer that?

10. Douglas was ACC defensive POY and rec'd limited minutes... are you sure he can't hold his own?


11. LBJ can accomplish what
 
Red

Red

TYPE-A
11. LBJ can accomplish whatever he can in CHI anywhere. He can't accomplish what he can in NY anywhere. That's legendary.
 
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SSj4Wingzero

All Star
lilman_bklyn said:
You guys are killing me... so you guys truly believe the Knicks Roster is better than the Bulls Roster now? Seriously? I love the Knicks, but at least i'm a realist. You guys have to start leaning towards reality when making these post. it's not Hype.. The Knicks are crap minus Lee and possibly Gallo... point blank
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...And what about the Bulls? They're CRAP minus Derrick Rose. You can use the argument both ways. Neither roster is much good at all minus the best player on the team. And you'd think Joakim Noah was an all-star caliber player or something like that given how ESPN has been riding him lately, but frankly he's an Emeka Okafor-esque player who's good for grabbing boards, scoring a dozen points at best and blocking shots but not really worth much more than that. Noah isn't all that useful on offense, for example.
 
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SSj4Wingzero

All Star
I mean, look at it like this - the Bulls were a 33 win team before Derrick Rose came into the picture. Get that? The Bulls before Derrick Rose were no better than a Mike D'Antoni team that traded its two best players for cap space. Can you REALLY go and say that the Bulls are better than the Knicks when the only reason the Bulls aren't sitting here in the gutter with us is because by some miracle they won the 2008 lottery? I mean that's the biggest load of crap of all time, really.
 
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lilman_bklyn

Rotation player
SSj4Wingzero said:
I mean, look at it like this - the Bulls were a 33 win team before Derrick Rose came into the picture. Get that? The Bulls before Derrick Rose were no better than a Mike D'Antoni team that traded its two best players for cap space. Can you REALLY go and say that the Bulls are better than the Knicks when the only reason the Bulls aren't sitting here in the gutter with us is because by some miracle they won the 2008 lottery? I mean that's the biggest load of crap of all time, really.
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Are you really making a point? The fact is THEY DID win the Lottery and THEY DID have Rose... That doesn't take away from the fact that the Bulls as they stand now ARE BETTER than the Knicks. You are not making any sense trying to prove otherwise. That's like saying IF the Knicks would have drafted Rondo instead of Balkman, and Bynum instead of Frye, the knicks would have been a better team.. yes they would have been.. BUT THEY DIDN'T so they are not... They are a crappy 32 win team.
 
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lilman_bklyn

Rotation player
SSj4Wingzero said:
...And what about the Bulls? They're CRAP minus Derrick Rose. You can use the argument both ways. Neither roster is much good at all minus the best player on the team. And you'd think Joakim Noah was an all-star caliber player or something like that given how ESPN has been riding him lately, but frankly he's an Emeka Okafor-esque player who's good for grabbing boards, scoring a dozen points at best and blocking shots but not really worth much more than that. Noah isn't all that useful on offense, for example.
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And the Knicks couldn't use a Emeka Okafor-esque player? The Knicks couldn't use someone grabbing boards, scoring a dozen points and blocks 2 shots a game while playing good defense? Because we already have a player like this already right? SMH
 
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SSj4Wingzero

All Star
We can get one by dumping Eddy Curry's contract. The media has been acting like Joakim Noah is some sort of player that's difficult to come by, whereas we could easily get a BETTER player by trading Curry's contract for Okafor, and we can get LeBron a star that fits better with him than Derrick Rose since we can offer TWO max contracts. LeBron + Bosh + Okafor >>> LeBron + Rose + Noah
 
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BringHoopinHome2010

Benchwarmer
lilman is overlooking the chemistry aspect of the whole thing.

It doesn't take John Hollinger to figure out that the Bulls were better than the Knicks this year, they made the playoffs and we didn't, very simple.

But our players are more fitting to Lebron's style of play. He doesn't need a playmaker, he is the playmaker. That's why Rose, although he is a great young player, isn't the ideal sidekick to Lebron...guys like Gallo and Bosh are and NY has the ability to make that 3-some a reality.
 
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