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dave2138
May 27, 2010, 10:00
Probably not thread worthy, but I've never heard his name mentioned here as a possible center next year. Its pretty much guaranteed that Dallas or whatever team trades for him will decline his 13 mil option for 2010 making him a free agent.

At 35 years old, he probably can be had at a 1 year deal at a reasonable price.

What does everyone think? In my opinion it beats trading for bad contracts like Biedrins or Okafor. Less risk, and still get an above average defensive center.

Personally I'd like to trade Gallinari + Curry for cap space, then sign Lebron, Bosh, Lee. Still have money left over to sign Dampier to a few mil/1 year. You can somehow work out Bosh 35+ min, Lee 35+ min, Dampier 20+ min/game.

New New York
May 27, 2010, 10:25
Probably not thread worthy, but I've never heard his name mentioned here as a possible center next year. Its pretty much guaranteed that Dallas or whatever team trades for him will decline his 13 mil option for 2010 making him a free agent.

At 35 years old, he probably can be had at a 1 year deal at a reasonable price.

What does everyone think? In my opinion it beats trading for bad contracts like Biedrins or Okafor. Less risk, and still get an above average defensive center.

Personally I'd like to trade Gallinari + Curry for cap space, then sign Lebron, Bosh, Lee. Still have money left over to sign Dampier to a few mil/1 year. You can somehow work out Bosh 35+ min, Lee 35+ min, Dampier 20+ min/game.

Not really keen on bringing in Dampier with the intentions of playing him (remember he was a key target of Isiah's at one time and just for that he should not be on our team!)

But I have made the same suggestion with trading Gallo and Curry for picks to a team like Minny who has the cap space or even for a contract like Dampier's.

The beauty of that would be us being able to Sign To Max FAs (Lets just say Lebron and Bosh), Lee and a PG (lets just say Felton)

Felton
Wilson or Walker
Lebron
Lee
Bosh

Needless to say this squad gets a now later than 2012

dave2138
May 27, 2010, 11:17
nah I doubt we can trade for Dampier. Dallas will probably trade him in a sign/trade deal with another team. Which makes them legit competition I think for someone like Rudy Gay. Also competition for Okafor too... Dampier is much more valuable than Curry. Dallas can easily screw us over.

However, after that Dampier will be a FA and should come cheap I think.

I didn't see you were also a supporter of Gallo + Curry for picks. I personally would love it if we could get the 16th pick from Minnesota for Gallo + Curry or someone like Johnny Flynn.

SSj4Wingzero
May 27, 2010, 12:38
Why would Dampier be more valuable than Curry?

They're both expiring contracts but Curry's is a smaller one

dave2138
May 27, 2010, 14:13
Dampier's contract is non guaranteed. The Mavs have until July 11th or so to decide whether or not to pick up the 2010/2011 13 mil option. Obviously they won't do that, making him a free agent.

You can see how much trade value that will have knowing that the Mavs can trade Dampier from July 1-13 worth 13 mil to a team that can just decide not to pick up his option from 2010/2011.

Maybe someone can explain this better than me or provide a link. But yeah, Dampier has much more value than Curry for this reason alone.

dave2138
May 27, 2010, 14:15
http://www.thetwomangame.com/2010/04/dreams-of-things-to-come-a-look-ahead-to-2010-free-agency/


"The reason for that is Erick Dampier. Due to the unique performance-related incentives of Dampierís contract, he can be traded this off-season and then his entire 2010-2011 salary can be subsequently voided. That makes him an invaluable piece in a potential sign-and-trade, supposing Mark Cuban and the Mavs can entice one of this summerís bigger talents and manage to convince a rival GM to play ball."

Paul1355
May 27, 2010, 17:17
Probably not thread worthy, but I've never heard his name mentioned here as a possible center next year. Its pretty much guaranteed that Dallas or whatever team trades for him will decline his 13 mil option for 2010 making him a free agent.

At 35 years old, he probably can be had at a 1 year deal at a reasonable price.

What does everyone think? In my opinion it beats trading for bad contracts like Biedrins or Okafor. Less risk, and still get an above average defensive center.

Personally I'd like to trade Gallinari + Curry for cap space, then sign Lebron, Bosh, Lee. Still have money left over to sign Dampier to a few mil/1 year. You can somehow work out Bosh 35+ min, Lee 35+ min, Dampier 20+ min/game.
IDK i mean Dampier is still a decent rebounder which he was always known for....but we need to re-do this whole team to be athletic, hustling, and fast, and dampier is slow and old and would be like Elton Brand slowing up the 76ers.

If there is no choice he can have him as a last option, but many other people are better than him and available

dave2138
May 27, 2010, 18:11
Right, I know he's nothing more than a 20 min/game back up center. I just like him because he is a very low risk move and he can be had at probably a 1 year deal at only a few mil.

I would feel more comfortable going with Lee or Bosh at center knowing they have a veteran back up center whos biggest asset is his defense.

Also there may be better available, but those choices are more expensive and have to guarantee longer contracts. Dampier would be a smart move in my opinion, and use the money you save by signing him as a FA and use it on other needs.

KNICKMATIC809
May 27, 2010, 18:17
Probably not thread worthy, but I've never heard his name mentioned here as a possible center next year. Its pretty much guaranteed that Dallas or whatever team trades for him will decline his 13 mil option for 2010 making him a free agent.

At 35 years old, he probably can be had at a 1 year deal at a reasonable price.

What does everyone think? In my opinion it beats trading for bad contracts like Biedrins or Okafor. Less risk, and still get an above average defensive center.

Personally I'd like to trade Gallinari + Curry for cap space, then sign Lebron, Bosh, Lee. Still have money left over to sign Dampier to a few mil/1 year. You can somehow work out Bosh 35+ min, Lee 35+ min, Dampier 20+ min/game.

dude r u serious trade gallinari .... u must be bugging ... he will shine with a allstar around him .. well that wont happen being that's mike d antoni boy ...a chandler is a more possible scenario......

dave2138
May 27, 2010, 18:33
nah I don't like bugs. It probably won't happen, but I think the only way they are getting rid of Curry is if Gallinari is involved in the trade. Minnesota makes the most sense to me and we could get back the #16 pick (Xavier Henry or Epke Udoh) or Johnny Flynn.

Making that trade allows them to resign Lee + 2 other max FA. So comes down to who would you rather want - 2 max FA + Gallinari or 2 max FA + Lee.

SSj4Wingzero
May 27, 2010, 21:58
You don't think they could dump Curry without trading Gallinari?

The New Orleans Hornets would LOVE to swap Emeka Okafor and Eddy Curry...

smokes
May 27, 2010, 22:06
If we were gonna trade Gallo we should do it with the Wolves for their #4 pick. Draft Cousins and then have:

Douglas
LBJ
Chandler
Bosh
Cousins

beast of the east!

New New York
May 27, 2010, 23:06
nah I don't like bugs. It probably won't happen, but I think the only way they are getting rid of Curry is if Gallinari is involved in the trade. Minnesota makes the most sense to me and we could get back the #16 pick (Xavier Henry or Epke Udoh) or Johnny Flynn.

Making that trade allows them to resign Lee + 2 other max FA. So comes down to who would you rather want - 2 max FA + Gallinari or 2 max FA + Lee.

No actually trading Gallo and Curry frees up 14 million more, so if the cap comes in at 56 million then we would have 53 million in cap!

Meaning we could sign Lee for 10 leaving us w/ 43, sign two Max Guys, leaving us w/ 11 and then bring in Felton for 8 and use the remaining to resign Walker and Sergio


So what it comes down to is which is better Gallo and Two Max FA's....or Lee 2 max guys, Felton and a bench consisting of Walker,Douglas and Sergio


Blake (about as much as we can afford after two max)
Wilson
LBJ
Gallo
Bosh

Top 3 team in the league for sure


Felton
Chandler
LBJ
Lee
Bosh

Dynasty!


a bit of a no-brainer to me!

dave2138
May 27, 2010, 23:13
You don't think they could dump Curry without trading Gallinari?

The New Orleans Hornets would LOVE to swap Emeka Okafor and Eddy Curry...


Is there proof to that? I feel like this was one guy's idea and everyone jumped on it because the Hornets have financial issues. I don't see anyway this will happen unless we throw in players of value. With a healthy Chris Paul, they are still a playoff contender. Having a good team will draw more fans, make the team more money. Trading Okafor for nothing won't solve anything.

New New York
May 27, 2010, 23:13
If we were gonna trade Gallo we should do it with the Wolves for their #4 pick. Draft Cousins and then have:

Douglas
LBJ
Chandler
Bosh
Cousins

beast of the east!

Maybe in a straight up trade

But No way they give us that pick if we are giving them Curry

The incentive for us is getting rid of Curry's contract!

Donnie I hope has considered this trade, because it makes sense for both teams. Minny has a nice chunck of change in cap (21 million to be exact) but what are the chances of them landing a max or even second tier player like Boozer?

Not likely right? Gallo would be a major acqusition for them, plus they would still have 7 million left. Curry is only on the books for one season so it doesnt really kill them to take him on. Plus his contract becomes a trade chip at the deadline

So really there is no need to include the #4, because this could pay off way more than any pick in the draft could!

smokes
May 27, 2010, 23:19
Maybe in a straight up trade

But No way they give us that pick if we are giving them Curry

The incentive for us is getting rid of Curry's contract!

Donnie I hope has considered this trade, because it makes sense for both teams. Minny has a nice chunck of change in cap (21 million to be exact) but what are the chances of them landing a max or even second tier player like Boozer?

Not likely right? Gallo would be a major acqusition for them, plus they would still have 7 million left. Curry is only on the books for one season so it doesnt really kill them to take him on. Plus his contract becomes a trade chip at the deadline

So really there is no need to include the #4, because this could pay off way more than any pick in the draft could!

Considered what trade? Who are we getting back from Minny if we give them Gallo and Curry?

SSj4Wingzero
May 28, 2010, 00:24
Is there proof to that? I feel like this was one guy's idea and everyone jumped on it because the Hornets have financial issues. I don't see anyway this will happen unless we throw in players of value. With a healthy Chris Paul, they are still a playoff contender. Having a good team will draw more fans, make the team more money. Trading Okafor for nothing won't solve anything.

Gives them so much more cap space in the long run.

Emeka Okafor's contract is that bad. They can draft Hassan Whiteside or Cole Aldrich with their pick at #11 and then dump Okafor for Curry's expiring contract.

This saves them money because first of all they can draft a big man in the draft (thus eliminating the need for Okafor), and second of all they get a lot more flexibility in the long run by taking 12 million dollars off their payroll for the next 4 years. This would give them a chance to go after some free agents next year and the year after that, whereas right now they're pretty much stuck since Okafor's contract is that big.

NYKLiFER
May 28, 2010, 11:10
dude r u serious trade gallinari .... u must be bugging ... he will shine with a allstar around him .. well that wont happen being that's mike d antoni boy ...a chandler is a more possible scenario......

I Co Sign. Some of you hear are just plain stupid...do any of you actually watch the games wtf SMH (Trade Gallo) Morons I say stop the madness....

NYKLiFER
May 28, 2010, 11:15
nah I don't like bugs. It probably won't happen, but I think the only way they are getting rid of Curry is if Gallinari is involved in the trade. Minnesota makes the most sense to me and we could get back the #16 pick (Xavier Henry or Epke Udoh) or Johnny Flynn.

Making that trade allows them to resign Lee + 2 other max FA. So comes down to who would you rather want - 2 max FA + Gallinari or 2 max FA + Lee.
i dont care flag me toons or whoever funs this site but, this guy is ****ing stupid. HEY MORON CURRY IS VALUBLE BECAUSE HE IS AN EXPIRING CONTRACT WE DO NOT NEED TO PACKAGE HIM WITH ANYONE UNLESS WE ARE GETTING A CHRIS PAUL CP3 TYPE AH PLAYER.......

I LIKE LEE BUT I RATHER HAVE GALLO ON MY TEAM **** BARRON PROVED IN 10DAYS THAT IN THIS SYSTEM ANYONE WITH SIZE CAN GET A DBL DBL LEE DONT HAVE NO D AND WILL BE A BACK UP ON MOST WINNING TEAMS IF NOT ALL.

KNICKMATIC809
May 28, 2010, 11:20
I Co Sign. Some of you hear are just plain stupid...do any of you actually watch the games wtf SMH (Trade Gallo) Morons I say stop the madness....

that's wat was goin tru my mind when i saw curry plus gallo i was like wtf .... i understand curry plus chandler ... that's more reasonable ... minny dont need no1 in our roster plus dey are under the cap ... a better scenario would be to the hornets , they r over the cap

Kiyaman
May 28, 2010, 12:30
Right, I know he's nothing more than a 20 min/game back up center. I just like him because he is a very low risk move and he can be had at probably a 1 year deal at only a few mil.

I would feel more comfortable going with Lee or Bosh at center knowing they have a veteran back up center whos biggest asset is his defense.

Also there may be better available, but those choices are more expensive and have to guarantee longer contracts. Dampier would be a smart move in my opinion, and use the money you save by signing him as a FA and use it on other needs.


The best thing about signing Dampier to a 2 year contract, is if he agree to mold Earl Barron into a halfcourt center. Both would be very cheap.
And like u said, "I know he's nothing more than a 20 min/game back up center.", which would be perfect.

This way we can resign the cheapest quality PF in FA David Lee, he became a New Yorker that knows the ins & outs, plus how to controll our press.

The next move in the FA market would be to go after Joe Johnson to mold 2nd season Toney Douglas.

Kiyaman
May 28, 2010, 14:00
Originally Posted by dave2138 http://www.knicksonline.com/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.knicksonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=123000#post123000)
nah I don't like bugs. It probably won't happen, but I think the only way they are getting rid of Curry is if Gallinari is involved in the trade. Minnesota makes the most sense to me and we could get back the #16 pick (Xavier Henry or Epke Udoh) or Johnny Flynn.

Making that trade allows them to resign Lee + 2 other max FA. So comes down to who would you rather want - 2 max FA + Gallinari or 2 max FA + Lee.



i dont care flag me toons or whoever funs this site but, this guy is ****ing stupid. HEY MORON CURRY IS VALUBLE BECAUSE HE IS AN EXPIRING CONTRACT WE DO NOT NEED TO PACKAGE HIM WITH ANYONE UNLESS WE ARE GETTING A CHRIS PAUL CP3 TYPE AH PLAYER.......
:boohoo: :barf:
I LIKE LEE BUT I RATHER HAVE GALLO ON MY TEAM **** BARRON PROVED IN 10DAYS THAT IN THIS SYSTEM ANYONE WITH SIZE CAN GET A DBL DBL LEE DONT HAVE NO D AND WILL BE A BACK UP ON MOST WINNING TEAMS IF NOT ALL.
:boohoo:

The Knicks signing two max contracts plus David Lee too! would mean the Knicks would be contenders in the Eastern conference Finals within a season or two.
u really have no insight of David Lee's performance.
David Lee has been consistent since his rookie season.
:gony:
Hypothetical-writing.....Philly would give up their 2 pick and Brand for just David Lee if it was posible, but Phiily will never do that for just Gallo.
Gallo has no form. He has alot of hyped up Knick-fans that will watch 9 straight poor games of Gallo, the 10th game Gallo gives a decent performance and they're ready to give a parade down 5th av.
LOL :teeth:

Curry is an expiring-contract, whom is able to have a 16-7 performance in 26 minutes in his final contract season/for the next team.
Curry knew from the first day, Dantoni was not going to give him any playingtime. Dantoni's play-book dont go as far as using centers, ask Shaq.

I'm a person with the attitude of "dont talk about it do it".
To me Donnie Walsh was a moron for announcing his 2010 Plan.
Plus announcing a month a head of the draft the knicks like Stephon Curry.
I had to deal with 3 morons for president in the past decade on my Knicks. Alot of members in this forum prove to be brighter than Walsh his first season on the job.

Curry broke-ass seem to be brighter than Marbury, Zach, Crawford, and Jefferies, whom did'nt understand "your not in the Knicks future" when Walsh first mention the "2010-Plan". It also meant tanking 2 seasons.

dave2138
May 28, 2010, 15:13
i dont care flag me toons or whoever funs this site but, this guy is ****ing stupid. HEY MORON CURRY IS VALUBLE BECAUSE HE IS AN EXPIRING CONTRACT WE DO NOT NEED TO PACKAGE HIM WITH ANYONE UNLESS WE ARE GETTING A CHRIS PAUL CP3 TYPE AH PLAYER.......

I LIKE LEE BUT I RATHER HAVE GALLO ON MY TEAM **** BARRON PROVED IN 10DAYS THAT IN THIS SYSTEM ANYONE WITH SIZE CAN GET A DBL DBL LEE DONT HAVE NO D AND WILL BE A BACK UP ON MOST WINNING TEAMS IF NOT ALL.


I'm not 100% sure what language you are speaking, but I'll take it that you disagree with me on my suggestion that they should trade Gallinari + Curry for cap space. Fair enough

I disagree that the Knicks can get an impact player in return for just Eddy Curry. The only teams looking to shed long term contracts are the ones with players that are either too old or injury prone to last for their contract or they really have absolute no shot at winning with that player on their team.

So players the knicks can get for Eddy Curry and not throw in much more value are players like: Corey Maggette, Biedrins, Baron Davis, Elton Brand, Richard Hamilton.

Even someone like Okafor would cost much more than Curry, because most importantly they don't save any money this year by swapping him for Curry. Unless the Knicks also take back Peja Stojakovic, Morris Peterson, James Posey...why would they do that.

You could say they have the long term benefit of shedding Okafor's contract...yes, that's true, but they also waste Chris Paul's talent by surrounding him with a much worse team this year. Like I said the Okafor's idea was 1 person's idea who thought New Orleans was in financial trouble and they would just give up all their core players for nothing. When you have a franchise player like Chris Paul, that's not going to happen.

So if you trade Gallinari with Curry, you might be able to get a mid 1st, which I hope they can get from Minnesota. They have Charlotte's #16 overall which we can use on a defensive pf/c like Ekpe Udoh or a sg prospect like Xavier Henry. Then you use that money saved on David Lee in addition to the 2 max FA we can already sign.

Wilson Chandler has little to no trade value in my opinion. Trading him with Curry won't bring much back. Toney Douglas has the 2nd most trade value on the team, but I don't see the point in trading him.

To me David Lee + 16th pick > Gallinari + Curry.

Douglas
Henry
Lebron
Bosh
Lee

Sergio Rodriguez/Steve Blake
Walker
Chandler -> (trade straight up for Morrow?)
Dampier
Barron

Kiyaman
May 28, 2010, 15:53
I dont think we need any of Minny or N.O. throw away players, they have to many to throw into trade.
We do not want to give CP3 & West or Love & Jefferson a SF like Chandler, or a peremeter shooter like Gallo.

I'll keep Curry untill the right team with a decent offer is available.
Our first signing should be Lee ......thats if we want to grab one of the top FA. No loyalty to Lee ..............................

New New York
May 28, 2010, 20:47
Considered what trade? Who are we getting back from Minny if we give them Gallo and Curry?

Sorry I wasnt more clear....I would do this trade for a couple of Minny's future first rounders or even a first and a second rounder

Look to me moving Curry off the books is the equivelant to having a top 4 pick in the Draft....Gallo is just the sacrafice in this case.

New New York
May 28, 2010, 21:12
i dont care flag me toons or whoever funs this site but, this guy is ****ing stupid. HEY MORON CURRY IS VALUBLE BECAUSE HE IS AN EXPIRING CONTRACT WE DO NOT NEED TO PACKAGE HIM WITH ANYONE UNLESS WE ARE GETTING A CHRIS PAUL CP3 TYPE AH PLAYER.......

I LIKE LEE BUT I RATHER HAVE GALLO ON MY TEAM **** BARRON PROVED IN 10DAYS THAT IN THIS SYSTEM ANYONE WITH SIZE CAN GET A DBL DBL LEE DONT HAVE NO D AND WILL BE A BACK UP ON MOST WINNING TEAMS IF NOT ALL.


I'm not 100% sure what language you are speaking, but I'll take it that you disagree with me on my suggestion that they should trade Gallinari + Curry for cap space. Fair enough

I disagree that the Knicks can get an impact player in return for just Eddy Curry. The only teams looking to shed long term contracts are the ones with players that are either too old or injury prone to last for their contract or they really have absolute no shot at winning with that player on their team.

So players the knicks can get for Eddy Curry and not throw in much more value are players like: Corey Maggette, Biedrins, Baron Davis, Elton Brand, Richard Hamilton.

Even someone like Okafor would cost much more than Curry, because most importantly they don't save any money this year by swapping him for Curry. Unless the Knicks also take back Peja Stojakovic, Morris Peterson, James Posey...why would they do that.

You could say they have the long term benefit of shedding Okafor's contract...yes, that's true, but they also waste Chris Paul's talent by surrounding him with a much worse team this year. Like I said the Okafor's idea was 1 person's idea who thought New Orleans was in financial trouble and they would just give up all their core players for nothing. When you have a franchise player like Chris Paul, that's not going to happen.

So if you trade Gallinari with Curry, you might be able to get a mid 1st, which I hope they can get from Minnesota. They have Charlotte's #16 overall which we can use on a defensive pf/c like Ekpe Udoh or a sg prospect like Xavier Henry. Then you use that money saved on David Lee in addition to the 2 max FA we can already sign.




You know I think you did a good job of airing him out! But let me add a little more to it!

First off, we all propose these deals for Curry's expiring contract, but we need to realize that one, none of the teams we propose trades for (namely G-State or NO) have expressed any interest in parting ways with players for expiring deals (namely Ellis and Okafor)

Also, believe or not.....expiring contracts don't always get traded! And if they do, more times then not the team that trades them away still has to throw in picks are a talented player to make it work!

Lets just look at Orlando and New Jersey trade last year, Orlando still had to part with a young player they liked (Courtney Lee) in the deal for Carter's long term deal, even though NJ was trying to clear cap the same way we are

Point being...Curry's lone standing contract is not that valuable

So my question is this.....which do you think would be a better sell to Lebron
coming from Walsh, "We can bring in another Max FA to play along side you and Gallo, and we have Curry's 11 million contract that we can use at the trade deadline to upgrade the roster then" or "We can bring another max FA to play along with All Star David Lee and 11 million to help upgrade the roster this summer"

Look if The Knicks trade away Gallo and Curry for picks and The cap comes in at 56 million and we signed Lee for a deal starting at 9 million (still a two million dollar raise from last year) The Knicks could even get LBJ and Bosh each at 16 million and Joe Johnson at 13 million!

You could bring a D League calliber PG to run the floor with that type of roster..... so we just give Duhon a league minimum contract (since he knows the system already) and I dont think filling the roster will be much of a problem either!

Duhon or Jason Williams(league min)
Johnson (13 million deal)
LBJ (16 million)
Lee (9 million dollar max year deal)
Bosh (16 million)

even just having a shot at that much talent is worth trading Gallo for!

smokes
May 28, 2010, 21:18
Although I like your thinking of how to build a team I have had one problem with all of your suggestions NNY...

Why do you think a pairing of Lee/Bosh at PF/C is good? Just because that team is all around very talented I don't understand why on earth you would want to have Bosh playing C.

The 2 gaping holes in our lineup for the past 2 seasons has been having a good guard and a good defensive C. Now we finally have a guard who looks capable (Toney D) so we should really try to fill that last hole and make our team complete.

I know Okafor might not be an option but there will be opportunities to fill the C spot through draft or another trade.

Also resigning Duhon is absolutely disgraceful idea when we have Toney D flourishing, especially considering your projected roster has Lebron who will do most of the ballhandling!

dave2138
May 29, 2010, 07:30
I know Okafor might not be an option but there will be opportunities to fill the C spot through draft or another trade.



Like who? Okafor seems to be the only proven, in prime, difference making center available through trade/FA. You can also say Brendan Haywood, but I get the feeling he is going to get overpaid and I trust him to stay injury free long term ages 32+. I'd rather play it safe and get David Lee + Dampier as back up.

Knicks4Life_1985
May 29, 2010, 17:30
Im not sure you guys know how bad Emeka Okafor is. He is ****in horrible but every day I log in and see **** about how he would make our team better. We could sign an average rookie or 2 year player that could put up the same numbers. What has he done in his career that is worth even thinking he would help us.

SSj4Wingzero
May 30, 2010, 01:27
Block shots, play defense, and grab a TON of rebounds. We don't really need anything more from our center if we get LeBron James and Chris Bosh as our two primary options on offense. Gallinari as the third would be fine, and Okafor wouldn't have to do much other than block shots and guard big men like Andrew Bogut and Dwight Howard, which he can do.

iSaYughh
May 30, 2010, 14:21
Mike D'Antoni may be the wildcard.

If we whiff on James and Wade and Bosh...

I agree w Kiya that signing Lee is priority #1.

Then sign Joe Johnson.

Tyrus Thomas. Must sign to pair with Lee. Block shots, excellent hustle, can run the floor, and DOP potential.

Tyrus and Lee + Barron backcourt could be very very potent if handled right..

Douglas-Serg
Johnson-Walker
Gallo-Chandler
Lee
Tyrus-Barron

Even McFlurry should be able to contribute some size in a walk yr.

Parker in 2011 and Douglas moves to a pure JJohnson tandem.

New New York
May 30, 2010, 14:44
Although I like your thinking of how to build a team I have had one problem with all of your suggestions NNY...

Why do you think a pairing of Lee/Bosh at PF/C is good? Just because that team is all around very talented I don't understand why on earth you would want to have Bosh playing C.

The 2 gaping holes in our lineup for the past 2 seasons has been having a good guard and a good defensive C. Now we finally have a guard who looks capable (Toney D) so we should really try to fill that last hole and make our team complete.

I know Okafor might not be an option but there will be opportunities to fill the C spot through draft or another trade.

Also resigning Duhon is absolutely disgraceful idea when we have Toney D flourishing, especially considering your projected roster has Lebron who will do most of the ballhandling!


a 6'10 player who grabs 11 rebs and gets one block per is a center to me....now I will give you that he is not a traditional 5 (ala D Howard) but how many of them are there in the league? If Amare can play the 5, for sure Bosh can! Plus if Dantoni could use Jefferies at the 5, then there is no reason to think Bosh cant play

When playing with an undersized Center you need a rugged 4, and Lee fits that bill nicely

smokes
May 30, 2010, 17:12
a 6'10 player who grabs 11 rebs and gets one block per is a center to me....now I will give you that he is not a traditional 5 (ala D Howard) but how many of them are there in the league? If Amare can play the 5, for sure Bosh can! Plus if Dantoni could use Jefferies at the 5, then there is no reason to think Bosh cant play

When playing with an undersized Center you need a rugged 4, and Lee fits that bill nicely

I can understand Bosh playing the 5 or Amare but if they were to do that I'd rather have a PF that can defend well playing alongside them as oppose to Lee who is not a good defender.

If we have TD, Wilson/Gallo and Lebron there's a good defensive trio, but in the paint we would get eaten alive.

SSj4Wingzero
May 31, 2010, 00:16
a 6'10 player who grabs 11 rebs and gets one block per is a center to me....now I will give you that he is not a traditional 5 (ala D Howard) but how many of them are there in the league? If Amare can play the 5, for sure Bosh can! Plus if Dantoni could use Jefferies at the 5, then there is no reason to think Bosh cant play

When playing with an undersized Center you need a rugged 4, and Lee fits that bill nicely

Lee may be a "rugged" 4, per se, but he's not exactly a good defender.

If you have a center who isn't good at defending (like BOSH for example) you need a 4 who is a good shotblocker and defender so that you don't get eaten alive in the paint.

Every championship team has a good defender and shotblocker in the paint (or at least a paint presence of some sort) - the Lakers have had Shaq, Gasol, and Bynum; the Spurs have had Tim Duncan one of the greatest defenders of all time; the Celtics have had Perkins and Garnett; the Magic have had Dwight Howard; the Pistons had Sheed and Ben Wallace...do I really need to go on? It's pretty clear what makes championship teams, and they don't have to be ALL about defense but they need some sort of a defensive presence.

If we don't have a paint presence we'll get murdered by a team like the Bucks in the first round. If we beat them, we'll get murdered by Dwight Howard. If we get past them, then we'll get murdered by Gasol in the finals. Either way, we NEED a defensive big man SOMEWHERE, whether it's at the 4 or at the 5. You don't need 4 20+ PPG scorers, what you need is 3 reliable scoring options (LeBron, Bosh/Lee, Gallo) and then a bunch of good defenders (TD, ideally Okafor, Earl Barron can play C, etc.)

We might do OK on the scoring options bit but it doesn't mean much if we don't have any defense

dave2138
May 31, 2010, 08:07
Either way, we NEED a defensive big man SOMEWHERE, whether it's at the 4 or at the 5.

Who? We've already established that getting Okafor will be difficult to get. Haywood, maybe...but I'm not thrilled about giving a 30 year old a multi year contract. No one seemed crazy about signing Erick Dampier to a 1 year deal. Everyone says get a defensive big, but the only way to do so is to get someone with an injury risk/bad contract and hope for the best.

I would rather not take a huge risk, sign Bosh + Lee who will probably underachieve defensively, but you know what you'll get from them offensively. Sign an underappreciated back up center like Dampier or use a 2nd round pick on a center prospect. Low risk, Low reward...yes, but better to be safe than to be stuck with another bad contract.

dave2138
May 31, 2010, 08:09
Tyrus Thomas. Must sign to pair with Lee. Block shots, excellent hustle, can run the floor, and DOP potential.



What about Travis Outlaw? He has similar characteristics as Thomas and probably will come cheaper.

iSaYughh
May 31, 2010, 09:17
What about Travis Outlaw? He has similar characteristics as Thomas and probably will come cheaper.

Good point. He likely would come markedly cheaper and that could be a big cog in our 2-3 player FA splurge scenarios.

SSj4Wingzero
May 31, 2010, 10:56
Who? We've already established that getting Okafor will be difficult to get. Haywood, maybe...but I'm not thrilled about giving a 30 year old a multi year contract. No one seemed crazy about signing Erick Dampier to a 1 year deal. Everyone says get a defensive big, but the only way to do so is to get someone with an injury risk/bad contract and hope for the best.

I would rather not take a huge risk, sign Bosh + Lee who will probably underachieve defensively, but you know what you'll get from them offensively. Sign an underappreciated back up center like Dampier or use a 2nd round pick on a center prospect. Low risk, Low reward...yes, but better to be safe than to be stuck with another bad contract.

Then we'll have to disagree on the fact that Okafor will be difficult to get. I personally think the Hornets would jump at the chance to eliminate 50 million dollars off their salary cap over the next 5 years, but I suppose we can't all agree on that.

dave2138
May 31, 2010, 12:20
Then we'll have to disagree on the fact that Okafor will be difficult to get. I personally think the Hornets would jump at the chance to eliminate 50 million dollars off their salary cap over the next 5 years, but I suppose we can't all agree on that.


First, if its Okafor for Curry straight up, from the Hornets point of view:

Their payroll remains the same for 2010/2011. Meaning they are still over the cap and still have to pay the luxury tax. I think only Dallas, Lakers and Magic will have a higher payroll than the Hornets. Why would the Hornets give up Okafor for Curry, not get any immediate financial benefit and all but eliminate their chance at the playoffs this season?

Yes, they get long term financial relief, but they'll get that by letting Peja Stojakovic and Morris Peterson's contracts expire at the end of the season. That will save them over 20 mil next season and be under the cap.

The biggest reason why they won't trade Okafor is because that will almost guarantee Chris Paul to leave the team as a FA after the 2011/2012 season when he can opt out of his contract. To keep Paul happy, you have to build a competitive team. Giving up Okafor for nothing eliminates that from happening next season.

Even if we threw in Chandler or Douglas, still wouldn't make a difference. I don't see how they give up the chance to be competitive this season just so they can shed payroll a year from now when they already will be under the cap with other expiring contracts.

I think the Knicks will show a lot of interest in Brendan Haywood and Erick Dampier. Those 2 are our most realstic possibilities to get a defensive minded center in my opinion. They will have to overpay for Haywood though...I'm hoping for Dampier since he will come cheaper with a shorter commitment.

SSj4Wingzero
May 31, 2010, 21:40
First, if its Okafor for Curry straight up, from the Hornets point of view:

Their payroll remains the same for 2010/2011. Meaning they are still over the cap and still have to pay the luxury tax. I think only Dallas, Lakers and Magic will have a higher payroll than the Hornets. Why would the Hornets give up Okafor for Curry, not get any immediate financial benefit and all but eliminate their chance at the playoffs this season?

Yes, they get long term financial relief, but they'll get that by letting Peja Stojakovic and Morris Peterson's contracts expire at the end of the season. That will save them over 20 mil next season and be under the cap.

The biggest reason why they won't trade Okafor is because that will almost guarantee Chris Paul to leave the team as a FA after the 2011/2012 season when he can opt out of his contract. To keep Paul happy, you have to build a competitive team. Giving up Okafor for nothing eliminates that from happening next season.

Even if we threw in Chandler or Douglas, still wouldn't make a difference. I don't see how they give up the chance to be competitive this season just so they can shed payroll a year from now when they already will be under the cap with other expiring contracts.

I think the Knicks will show a lot of interest in Brendan Haywood and Erick Dampier. Those 2 are our most realstic possibilities to get a defensive minded center in my opinion. They will have to overpay for Haywood though...I'm hoping for Dampier since he will come cheaper with a shorter commitment.

You said it right - you have to build a competitive team to keep Paul happy. You have a better shot of building a competitive team by getting an expiring contract now and having more cap room than by keeping Emeka Okafor. The Hornets are in a situation where a lot of their contracts come off the books leaving only Okafor's there, if they dump him they'll have over 30 million dollars to work with in terms of signing free agents.

Think about if - if you're Chris Paul, what would you rather have? Emeka Okafor on your team? Or an extra 13 million dollars in cap space that could go towards a Joe Johnson-level player? Face it, Okafor is overpaid and if they dumped him they could get a much better player with the cap room he'd free up.

However, he works for us because we plan on being over the cap for a long time with our 2 max FA's and having Okafor fills a hole we're desperately in need of