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TR1LL10N
Jul 22, 2010, 08:29
Gallo or Randolph? They are both young, long and have tremendous potential. I like them both but think one of them needs to go in a trade to sure up another position.

I think it's close but I have to give it to AR. The guy has the potential to be a beast on both ends of the floor, a complete player with hops and athleticism. This guy can guard almost any position and once his jumper is consistent he will be very hard to stop.

Oakman88
Jul 22, 2010, 09:23
Gallo added more versatility to his game when he was able to put the ball to the floor and finish at the basket. If he can develop a game where he puts the ball on the floor more consistent while still being a deadly sniper, he has more upside than AR to me.

keyser soze
Jul 22, 2010, 09:28
I think AR has more potential but Gallo is more of a sure thing

CLYDE
Jul 22, 2010, 09:33
AR can be a shot blocking game changer, I'd take a chance on him. D wins big games, always will IMO.

LJ4ptplay
Jul 22, 2010, 09:44
This is a good question that probably needs to be addressed from several angles. I think total, overall upside, Randolph is higher than Gallo.

But if we're talking about trades to get CP3, and the type of system we would play with CP3, then Gallo is the better complimentary choice. If we are talking about running this system with CP3 and Amare, the pick-and-roll will obviously be a staple in the offensive playbook. In order to have the pick-and-roll work more effectively, an outside shooter on the wing (Gallo) is the better option. It would also be likely that we would have to take Okafur's contract as well, rendering Randolph a bench player.

Unless of course Randolph either develops a deadly 3-point shot (unlikely) or adds a lot of muscle/mass for him to play Center on a consistent basis. A run-and-gun with Paul + Amare + Randolph is scary. But we would still need to find a good spot up shooter.

Scribbles
Jul 22, 2010, 10:17
Randolph reminds me of Camby when he first got here as far as raw talent that's ready to bud.

If he can handle the rock like Lamar Odom, man o' man....

He also needs to work on his shot a little more.

Real NY Baller
Jul 22, 2010, 10:19
Well, I know Gallo has had his chances and lawd knows D'Antonio made sure of that. Rarely have I've been impressed with Gallo. He has no rythm in his game, and is way too stricky to depend on. For a guy with his height, he should be able to bang the boards and learned how to make a decent hook shot by now. He also lacks defense, I don't know how many times I've seen him flat footed while getting scored on. If all he can do is knock down a three here and there...send him packing. If the new recruits play a much better role and/or display a better all around game... then the choice should be obvious.

metrocard
Jul 22, 2010, 11:01
Randolph, but I feel like this could be the best duo in the NBA if they both reach their prime, they compliment each other's weaknesses and their styles don't clash...a perfect SF/PF + SF/C blend/combination.

skisloper
Jul 22, 2010, 11:03
Well, I know Gallo has had his chances and lawd knows D'Antonio made sure of that. Rarely have I've been impressed with Gallo. He has no rythm in his game, and is way too stricky to depend on. For a guy with his height, he should be able to bang the boards and learned how to make a decent hook shot by now. He also lacks defense, I don't know how many times I've seen him flat footed while getting scored on. If all he can do is knock down a three here and there...send him packing. If the new recruits play a much better role and/or display a better all around game... then the choice should be obvious.

Remember Gallo is 21. He has played on a losing team with no superstar. He has played with players looking for a new contract. There has not been a single player on the court who could teach and improve Gallo's game from that viewpoint. He is 6-10 and has proven he will go toe to toe and not back down.
He is such a perfect player for a championship team. Throw Amare and Paul with him and this guy will only get better.

without doubt a choose Gallo.

jpz17
Jul 22, 2010, 11:08
Prob Randolph, but I think Gallo has more of a chance at reaching his potential

nyk_nyk
Jul 22, 2010, 11:20
AR can be a shot blocking game changer, I'd take a chance on him. D wins big games, always will IMO.

100% on point.

At 6-10 you should be able to do more than hang out at the 3pt line. AR gets the edge to me.

SSj4Wingzero
Jul 22, 2010, 11:22
This is a tough one since I think they can both be all-stars in this league.

Randolph is a 7-footer with length and INSANE athleticism

Gallo is a 6'10" Forward with an amazing outside shot

It's a tough sell between these two but I think Randolph is better

knicksfancris
Jul 22, 2010, 11:38
i dont know hot to make a thread yet but this is my fav turiaf moment cant wait to see that at msg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVNvHMjwgAU&feature=related

KBlack25
Jul 22, 2010, 11:42
Personally, I think Randolph's ceiling is higher...but I think Gallo is safer. Randolph I think is a boom-or-bust, Gallo you basically know about what you are going to get from him...

knicksfancris
Jul 22, 2010, 11:49
my favs turiaf moments
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTJl9lmXzMU&feature=fvw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10Ud9IqIo2Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tN2vyyj1fpM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPNpYcKSC6I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYLrJYwHRKo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POjaCJhBI30

clumsy
Jul 22, 2010, 12:04
AR has the better upside

....ridiculous athletic players with freakishly long limbs always are higher upside players as they can probably excel in more systems. The problem is he has low bball IQ right now and i dont' think this system will give him more discipline. Basically we will find out with him....if he gets it together he is unstoppable.

Gallo on the other hand is lacking the upper echelon athleticism, coordination to become great in my opinion. He will always be a good player however.

MSGhobo247
Jul 22, 2010, 12:10
Randolph, but I feel like this could be the best duo in the NBA if they both reach their prime, they compliment each other's weaknesses and their styles don't clash...a perfect SF/PF + SF/C blend/combination.

Seriously... these two should NOT be split up... It would be another move we will regret in time. I'm sick of not having players who don't have REAL chemistry on our team and these two can def grow up 2gether and flourish in Coach's system. Take note of OKC... u have real chemistry and guys willing to bust their asses for each other.

Oldtimer
Jul 22, 2010, 13:25
If we can get Paul without giving up either of Gallo or AR, then, obviously, I am all for it. But I do not want to lose either one. They could be really good together for several years.

Asimov
Jul 22, 2010, 13:27
I'd give up AR in a minute

Aristoteles
Jul 22, 2010, 14:25
can we dream...
paul
azzy
gallo
ar
amare

okafor, walker

iSaYughh
Jul 22, 2010, 15:23
AR-47 has the ability to dominate Gallo statistically.

Rebounding, blocking, steals, FG %, positional versatility.

Gallo will always have a superior shot with range.

Maybe not worth the risk when Gallo himself can dominate statistically in his own right, with versatility himself.

Both rare talents. One a bit rarer, but a lot more raw.

And. Assuming this is part of a CP3 sacrifice, when we add him (or whomever) I want the more proven commodity out on the court with him with fewer question marks so we can get to work right away.

But hopefully we have the sense to take on Okefor in getting Paul and this is moot as we watch these two wreck opposing teams.

ronoranina
Jul 22, 2010, 20:08
Randolph is a PF guys. He will not play center. He cannot play center. Yes he can block shots, but he doesn't play post defense well at all and he's not strong. We already have a LEGIT 4. I'm not all that enamored by AR's game.

Gallo has the the bigger upside and I'll tell you why. He's not a great athlete, but he can still get by guys because he has a good low dribble, basically a solid handle, along with that lethal jump shot and a sneaky little first step. He's such a threat from the outside and that opens up his slashing game. He has good vision and manages to find cutting players when he does so. He also defends one on one on the perimeter, which is a rare commodity. And, yes he blocks shots too.

AR is not as complete a player as Gallo is and they are both still very young.

dan1608
Jul 22, 2010, 20:33
Anthony Randolph has more potential. He gets a lot of blocks, plays raw defense and can be a huge player in the future.

Danilo
Jul 22, 2010, 21:54
While I would love Paul, I would rather wait and actually rebuild. Gallo is a great young 3 for the future, and Randolph is probably a 4/3 right now but has the size to be a superstar center if he bulks up. We can get Paul in 2 years if he still wants to come and until then we still have Felton keeping us contending. I also think that we have a good center combo for the future with Mozgov and Randolph, with mosgov d-ing up big bangers and Randolph wreaking havoc on smaller ones.

Danilo
Jul 22, 2010, 21:57
Randolph is a PF guys. He will not play center. He cannot play center. Yes he can block shots, but he doesn't play post defense well at all and he's not strong. .

The kid turned 21 the other day, he came in the league at 17. He looks like a middle school kid that hasnt grown into his body yet. He might be to small to be a center now, but I think he will eventually be a great one.

JujuXG
Jul 23, 2010, 01:55
Both are young and with anthony being a little bit younger.
Both close to the same height.
I would say Gallo at the moment but who knows how much AR can improve his.

threepointer
Jul 23, 2010, 06:56
AR is more of a talent, not blossomed yet.
Gallo has the IQ, the shot and he's not giving up to anybody, LBJ, Melo or Kobe...his pants are always clean when he faces them...no fear, and that's a Knicks spirit inside !!

Hope we can keep them both

Knicks for 2012

CP3
Melo
Gallo
AR
Stat

The south beach guys start to tremble !!

malik singletary
Jul 23, 2010, 12:54
this is anthony randolphs potential rolled into one:
antonio mcdyess mid range jumper
kevin durants length
gerald greens hops
amare stoudemire 2005-2007 dunks
lebron + birdman blocking
rookie camby athelticsm
kevin garnett post skills
08" paul pierce perimeter defense
slashing ability of kevin durant
tendency to go to the foul line like kevin durant since he has long arms
fastbreak highlight real like lebron
passing ability of david lee
rebounding of greg oden
45-50% field goal shooting
ball handles of kevin durant


top 3 in mvp voting and potentially an mvp
all-star
all nba selection
dunk contest winner
Hall of famer
6th man of the year

Here is danillo gallinari:
jumpshot of hedo turkuglu
passing of hedo trukuglu
on the post jumper of dirk
rebounding of turkuglu
defense of caron butler
athleticsm of turkuglu
clutchness of turkuglu
assists of turkuglu
ball handles of turkuglu
slashing ability of turkuglu
leadership of steve nash
toughness of steve nash

all star reserve
3pt contest winner multiple times
one of the greatest shooters of all time

bottom line gallo at best is a better version of turkuglu and anthony randolph can be a new specimen of a player.

ronoranina
Jul 23, 2010, 18:03
For what it's worth I just don't understand the fascination w/ AR.

One thing I must ask all of you who tout him as if he's the second coming of KG or Bosh is:

Can the friggin kid shoot???

I haven't seen the type of mid-range game that he would need to catapult himself onto the level of those guys.

He needs that insanely consistent 15-18 foot jumper to be able to open up the rest of his mid-range offense:
ie the jab-step, one dribble pull-up, or the up fake and slash to the cup, or a hard one or two dribble and then a fade-away. Bosh is particularly competent with these moves.

Really, Bosh is so polished. He reminds me of Scottie Pippen from 18ft and in. Bosh is worlds away from AR.

So, he needs a mid-range game, but I also feel that he needs a few go to post moves.

I've seen him make an athletic move and over-power guys w said athleticism, then make a short banker, or lay-up/dunk, but there isn't much polish in the post to speak of either.

Whereas I've seen Bosh or KG consitently get the ball in the post, go through a series of fundamental moves and fakes to get open, then finish at the rim or with a short fade-away jumpshot.

I have seen none of the above, with any consistency from this guy.

With Duncan, Bosh and KG, you could see right away that they had the mental aptitude to put together the fundamentals to go along with there other gifts. This especially the case with TD.

To me AR has the potential to be a nice player, W A ROLE.

There I said it! He does not have the b-ball IQ to go along with his considerable physical gifts.

He will never be a franchise player, let alone a HOFer . <<< Pleeeaaease! that is just nonsense.

SSj4Wingzero
Jul 23, 2010, 19:13
1. He's young.
2. You can teach shooting.
3. You can teach BBall IQ to some extent
4. You can even teach post moves
5. What you cannot teach, is insane athleticism and being 7 feet tall and Anthony Randolph has BOTH of those things

malik singletary
Jul 23, 2010, 21:58
For what it's worth I just don't understand the fascination w/ AR.

One thing I must ask all of you who tout him as if he's the second coming of KG or Bosh is:

Can the friggin kid shoot???

I haven't seen the type of mid-range game that he would need to catapult himself onto the level of those guys.

He needs that insanely consistent 15-18 foot jumper to be able to open up the rest of his mid-range offense:
ie the jab-step, one dribble pull-up, or the up fake and slash to the cup, or a hard one or two dribble and then a fade-away. Bosh is particularly competent with these moves.

Really, Bosh is so polished. He reminds me of Scottie Pippen from 18ft and in. Bosh is worlds away from AR.

So, he needs a mid-range game, but I also feel that he needs a few go to post moves.

I've seen him make an athletic move and over-power guys w said athleticism, then make a short banker, or lay-up/dunk, but there isn't much polish in the post to speak of either.

Whereas I've seen Bosh or KG consitently get the ball in the post, go through a series of fundamental moves and fakes to get open, then finish at the rim or with a short fade-away jumpshot.

I have seen none of the above, with any consistency from this guy.

With Duncan, Bosh and KG, you could see right away that they had the mental aptitude to put together the fundamentals to go along with there other gifts. This especially the case with TD.

To me AR has the potential to be a nice player, W A ROLE.

There I said it! He does not have the b-ball IQ to go along with his considerable physical gifts.

He will never be a franchise player, let alone a HOFer . <<< Pleeeaaease! that is just nonsense.


actually he can be a new type of player just like lebron.dwight,odom he has alot of versatility

Paul1355
Jul 24, 2010, 01:49
Gallo or Randolph? They are both young, long and have tremendous potential. I like them both but think one of them needs to go in a trade to sure up another position.

I think it's close but I have to give it to AR. The guy has the potential to be a beast on both ends of the floor, a complete player with hops and athleticism. This guy can guard almost any position and once his jumper is consistent he will be very hard to stop.
Hard question

Gallo can turn into a 20 ppg shooter who can rebound 5 or more a game and block a shot a game...

Randolph doesnt have the offensive cababilites of Gallo because of his lack of an outside shot, but being almost 7 feet with atheleticism of a guard can allow Randolph to potentially average the same numbers as Gallo.
Randolph will grab more rebounds and block more shots than Gallo, and will get more steals.

Overall it looks like Randolph will be better in more areas.

But Gallo can probably be more effective with better players around him. (Chris Paul)

ronoranina
Jul 24, 2010, 12:19
actually he can be a new type of player just like lebron.dwight,odom he has alot of versatility

Okay but you said he could be HOFer, if I'm correct. And no I don't believe he can be like Lebron or Dwight.

Why in the heck would the GsW trade him if he had that kind of promise? They know what he is. That's why they let him go.

And let me ask you this. Does it make to sense to trade a guy, who in your words could be like Lebron or Dwight, w two other pretty good players, for Lee?? Common man..

Odom is probably the most apt comparison.

SSj4Wingzero
Jul 24, 2010, 12:36
Because GSW is filled with morons, duh. Go on a board where people talk about the Warriors and they're fuming at the fact that they traded Anthony Randolph.

ronoranina
Jul 24, 2010, 12:56
Because GSW is filled with morons, duh. Go on a board where people talk about the Warriors and they're fuming at the fact that they traded Anthony Randolph.

They're coach is a moron?? Last time I checked Don Nelson had the most wins in league history.

Do you think the Warriors' front office doesn't consult w him before making a move? He knew what AR was man.

He's decent role player right now who could become a good role player in the future.

He's like a young Odom w no jumpshot, lowsy IQ and defensive tenacity of the risk taking sort.

DieHardPassion
Jul 24, 2010, 13:24
When obviously Randolph has a higher potential than Gallo because Gallo is a better player right now. Randolph will either be a bust or a win because if he does what he needs to do he'll reach his fullest potential. Where as Gallo I think he's safer in that he will probably stay mediocre in terms of potential through out his career. So if you want to take a risk than keep Randolph but if you want something that's already proven than keep Gallo...

XxWinKnicksxX
Jul 24, 2010, 15:36
Like I have watched a ton of AR games before? Lol. who knows? Not even these so called experts no! Watch and see

malik singletary
Jul 24, 2010, 19:12
Okay but you said he could be HOFer, if I'm correct. And no I don't believe he can be like Lebron or Dwight.

Why in the heck would the GsW trade him if he had that kind of promise? They know what he is. That's why they let him go.

And let me ask you this. Does it make to sense to trade a guy, who in your words could be like Lebron or Dwight, w two other pretty good players, for Lee?? Common man..

Odom is probably the most apt comparison.

i didnt say he can be like lebron or dwight i said he can be a new prototype,for ex dwight is the first super athletic center to date and lebron is 260 pound fast and strong get it?

TheChosen1
Jul 24, 2010, 20:00
Gallo and Randolph both have the potential and skills to become huge stars in this league. They both are 21 and not even touched their peaks. Forget who has better upside. Imagine these two together. Crazy combo. Dominant athletic F in Randolph and Gallo becoming the sharp shooter we know he can be. Both can rebound and block. Yes have you see the blocks Gallo had last season?? Randolph, yes i agree will be the better defender and more of a slasher.

These two would become the "dynamic duo" if you will. I'm telling you we got with away 1st degree robbery. This kid Randolph which looks like he has his head on straight now, will become what was expected of him this season. Gallo had so much pressure last season it's not even funny. He now has Amare to take some load off. Gallo will come in more eased and will perform at a high level. We have the pieces guys. The Knicks are BACK!, Quote Amare.

ronoranina
Jul 24, 2010, 21:27
i didnt say he can be like lebron or dwight i said he can be a new prototype,for ex dwight is the first super athletic center to date and lebron is 260 pound fast and strong get it?

Ok fair enough. But it sounded like you were going there though. You did say he could be HOFer and Dwight and Lebron are sure locks for the HOF, so I made the connection.

First you say AR can be HOFer then you back track and say he can be a "new prototype" of two players that will surely go there someday. Yea I get it.