He committed so many stupid fouls though, although we look weak and would need him. Still hate that contract.
Not really sure why long time Knick fans coule ever be against the trade of Carmelo?
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He committed so many stupid fouls though, although we look weak and would need him. Still hate that contract.
Great One On One Players Stumblin' And Bumblin' To Another Loss
Ray Allen said it in the post game interview, "The Knicks have great one on one players".
The only problem is what happens when the shots don't fall? Melo missed his last seven shots, and Amare wasn't hitting either when crunch time came vs. the Celtics tonight. The chemistry is just not there.
The Celtics hit the Knicks for a 19 point swing to take the game, 96-86. With the Knicks up by 9 points in the final quarter, they "got stagnant" according to Amare, "got careless" according to Coach D'Antoni, and "stumblin' and bumblin", according to Knick Announcer Walt "Clyde" Frazier in those last minutes, looking completely lost and disorganized.
The first half was a thing of beauty, as the Knicks dominated their opponents, but the Celts flipped the switch on with about 6 minutes to go, and ran roughshod over the home team. The Knicks fell apart at the end of the game, and have now lost 6 of their last 7 games,...slip slidin' away with only 12 games left.
The motion offense of D'Antoni is rarely seen these days. I am used to saying "push it" to my TV as I watch the Knicks rebound, and I keep getting reminded that the Knicks don't push it up floor anymore. According to D'Antoni, the offensive plan is to move the ball around for 18 seconds and leave it up to one of the stars to shoot. Well, this plan hasn't been working very well. D'Antoni appears to have changed his whole offense to suit Carmelo, and there seems to be a disconnect there. Seems like some of the players on the team want to run, and some don't. It does feels that way, doesn't it? the chemistry is off. Seems to me that the problem is all mental...
I wrote about two weeks ago that the Knicks were in danger of missing the playoffs. Now it becomes a reality. The Knicks stand at .500 now, in 7th place and sinking. The only thing they can do is keep. Keep working hard, keep a positive attitude and keep communicating with each other.
Several readers have complained that I am too hard on Anthony. I am hard on him because he is great, and I want to see him stop taking plays off and play up to his capabilities... to hustle, like he did when he collided with Ray Allen at the end of the game and bloodied his left eye. To bust his balls like when he tried to block a shot in the final moments on a Celtic fast break. He came up short on that play, literally, but he hustled tonight, and I give him credit. If you get this hustle out of him every night, it will make a difference, and that's what I've been writing about from the start.
Notice how the Knicks can put together a marvelous half where they give up 37 points against a great team, and then give up 59 points in the second half. Inconsistency is the hallmark of a young team, but you'd expect more out of a team led by the great veteran point guard Chauncey Billups. He hasn't been the same since the injury against the Magic, physically and mentally, and I have a feeling that he isn't anywhere close to 100%.
I keep saying this but he has to get it together more than anyone else... take charge and become the leader that he is, or the Knicks will stumble and bumble right out of the playoff picture.
http://saynotocarmelo.blogspot.com
Ray Allen said it in the post game interview, "The Knicks have great one on one players".
The only problem is what happens when the shots don't fall? Melo missed his last seven shots, and Amare wasn't hitting either when crunch time came vs. the Celtics tonight. The chemistry is just not there.
The Celtics hit the Knicks for a 19 point swing to take the game, 96-86. With the Knicks up by 9 points in the final quarter, they "got stagnant" according to Amare, "got careless" according to Coach D'Antoni, and "stumblin' and bumblin", according to Knick Announcer Walt "Clyde" Frazier in those last minutes, looking completely lost and disorganized.
The first half was a thing of beauty, as the Knicks dominated their opponents, but the Celts flipped the switch on with about 6 minutes to go, and ran roughshod over the home team. The Knicks fell apart at the end of the game, and have now lost 6 of their last 7 games,...slip slidin' away with only 12 games left.
The motion offense of D'Antoni is rarely seen these days. I am used to saying "push it" to my TV as I watch the Knicks rebound, and I keep getting reminded that the Knicks don't push it up floor anymore. According to D'Antoni, the offensive plan is to move the ball around for 18 seconds and leave it up to one of the stars to shoot. Well, this plan hasn't been working very well. D'Antoni appears to have changed his whole offense to suit Carmelo, and there seems to be a disconnect there. Seems like some of the players on the team want to run, and some don't. It does feels that way, doesn't it? the chemistry is off. Seems to me that the problem is all mental...
I wrote about two weeks ago that the Knicks were in danger of missing the playoffs. Now it becomes a reality. The Knicks stand at .500 now, in 7th place and sinking. The only thing they can do is keep. Keep working hard, keep a positive attitude and keep communicating with each other.
Several readers have complained that I am too hard on Anthony. I am hard on him because he is great, and I want to see him stop taking plays off and play up to his capabilities... to hustle, like he did when he collided with Ray Allen at the end of the game and bloodied his left eye. To bust his balls like when he tried to block a shot in the final moments on a Celtic fast break. He came up short on that play, literally, but he hustled tonight, and I give him credit. If you get this hustle out of him every night, it will make a difference, and that's what I've been writing about from the start.
Notice how the Knicks can put together a marvelous half where they give up 37 points against a great team, and then give up 59 points in the second half. Inconsistency is the hallmark of a young team, but you'd expect more out of a team led by the great veteran point guard Chauncey Billups. He hasn't been the same since the injury against the Magic, physically and mentally, and I have a feeling that he isn't anywhere close to 100%.
I keep saying this but he has to get it together more than anyone else... take charge and become the leader that he is, or the Knicks will stumble and bumble right out of the playoff picture.
http://saynotocarmelo.blogspot.com
la2ny
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This is my last time stating this because some guys here are delusional.
Chauncey Billups stated in the interview with all 3 of them it will take a month to 2 months to reach a level where your feeling pretty cconfident out there w/ each other.
Rick Fox said they have a nice team, but have things they need to do to become that great team everyone wants. They are improving on D but still aren't there. BUT THEY ARE BECOMING A BETTER TEAM.
Kevin McHale said, in his NY voice, "New Yark is bacc were winnin dis ye-ah" then he said "No your not winnin "dis ye-ah". He said this team isn't complete and they have a great core to build around and will make the playoffs and gain playoff experience. Thats all you can ask for after what we have been through. After this year he said we can go to the next level from where we are if we make the right player moves(bigs, depth, experience). He also said THIS IS TRAINING CAMP! The battles we are having w/ teams and also ourselves is our preseason.
So to everyone that wants to be a Heat fan continue to be that "sky is falling" fan. I'll rather listen to the players that have played on great teams before and the players that are on the team.
Every team has adversity, it's how you deal with it that decides whether you become a better team or quit. If some of you guys were on the team you'd be getting Renaldo Balkman minutes. If some of you were a GM like you play you are on NBA 2k then Carmelo and Chauncey would've played 3 games here and been shipped to Golden State for Monta Ellis and David Lee....
Chauncey Billups stated in the interview with all 3 of them it will take a month to 2 months to reach a level where your feeling pretty cconfident out there w/ each other.
Rick Fox said they have a nice team, but have things they need to do to become that great team everyone wants. They are improving on D but still aren't there. BUT THEY ARE BECOMING A BETTER TEAM.
Kevin McHale said, in his NY voice, "New Yark is bacc were winnin dis ye-ah" then he said "No your not winnin "dis ye-ah". He said this team isn't complete and they have a great core to build around and will make the playoffs and gain playoff experience. Thats all you can ask for after what we have been through. After this year he said we can go to the next level from where we are if we make the right player moves(bigs, depth, experience). He also said THIS IS TRAINING CAMP! The battles we are having w/ teams and also ourselves is our preseason.
So to everyone that wants to be a Heat fan continue to be that "sky is falling" fan. I'll rather listen to the players that have played on great teams before and the players that are on the team.
Every team has adversity, it's how you deal with it that decides whether you become a better team or quit. If some of you guys were on the team you'd be getting Renaldo Balkman minutes. If some of you were a GM like you play you are on NBA 2k then Carmelo and Chauncey would've played 3 games here and been shipped to Golden State for Monta Ellis and David Lee....
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SoCal KnicksFan
Benchwarmer
IMO the true definition of the word delusional: Believing our Knicks can win a chip without a true 5.
And the worst part is I truly don't believe that MDA would know what to do with one. Hell I don't even know if he would even play him for that matter.
Let's hope MDA is gone so we don't have to find out. The bottom line is though, I truly believe with our current core of players, along with a 5 and a few good role players we will be a championship team.
And the worst part is I truly don't believe that MDA would know what to do with one. Hell I don't even know if he would even play him for that matter.
Let's hope MDA is gone so we don't have to find out. The bottom line is though, I truly believe with our current core of players, along with a 5 and a few good role players we will be a championship team.
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You're joking right? Not a single GM in this league wants to touch Harrington and his toxic contract. He's one of the worst value players in the league that could never understand the concept of team ball.
Oh and Kiyaman, hindsight is always 20/20. If Mcdyess hadn't busted his leg, we'd be looking at a very very different Knicks past.
In the end, the reason Dolan fought so hard and went over Walsh's head for Melo? Money. Superstars bring revenue and the season ticket hike is one of the biggest extortions in NYC.
To many reasons
There are so many reasons why we shouldve backed off of the Melo-Fiasco:
1) We did not hire an offense/defense headcoach to include a 32+ minute
high scoring Melo on the roster. Its chaos with Dantoni "trying" to teach
two top veteran high-scorers offense.
Amare & Melo have so many years of experience being a high-scorer in the
NBA, which proves the two high-scorers do not need an offensive-coach
Dantoni to stay one dimensional offensive players. The Two star scorers
need a defensive-minded headcoach (JVG/Thib) to improve their performance
on the defensive-end to perform at the next level to become consistent
contenders in the NBA. adding two defensive pass-first PG in their rotation
would be LUV.
2) Headcoach Gentry already proved Dantoni was the wrong coach for
Amare, for us to add Melo into the equation (a smaller Amare at the SF)
only makes it two powerful reasons why Dantoni is the wrong headcoach.
3) We needed to watch two months of our old roster under a new headcoach
with an offense/defense system b/c our 2010-11 roster had strong defensive
depth in PG-Douglas/SG-Fields/SF-Chandler/PF-Turiaf/F-AR/and C-Mozgov.
After one season under Dantoni's offense, and next season under a defensive
headcoach all 6 of those young players potential, creative-talent, and trade-
value will increase by 3 to 5 times better than what it is today.
4) I wanted an (UFA) Melo in the offseason taking less money to show a
committment to become a contender alongside of Amare in New York, this
way we could resign Chandler as backup to both Star players (or injuries).
5) I also wanted to see if the NBA (Stern) was going to let another big-
marketing-franchise (UFA) player walk to the team of his choice without
the team giving anything in return to the Denver Nuggets. The Denver
Nuggets would lose half of its average gross and profit if their franchise
(marketing) player Carmelo walk as a FA to the team of his choice.....
it already affected Phoenix, Utah, Toronto, and Cleveland bigtime.
P.S. Did Donnie Walsh and Dolan wide circle of media have anything to do
with so many top franchise-players walking to the team of their choice as
an UFA in the 2010 offseason? recall the "2010-plan" in 2008, plus Amare
was the first to make a committment and sign.
Top marketing franchise players walking to the next team as a FA has never
happen before in the history of the NBA...
:smokin: :gony: :smokin:
There are so many reasons why we shouldve backed off of the Melo-Fiasco:
1) We did not hire an offense/defense headcoach to include a 32+ minute
high scoring Melo on the roster. Its chaos with Dantoni "trying" to teach
two top veteran high-scorers offense.
Amare & Melo have so many years of experience being a high-scorer in the
NBA, which proves the two high-scorers do not need an offensive-coach
Dantoni to stay one dimensional offensive players. The Two star scorers
need a defensive-minded headcoach (JVG/Thib) to improve their performance
on the defensive-end to perform at the next level to become consistent
contenders in the NBA. adding two defensive pass-first PG in their rotation
would be LUV.
2) Headcoach Gentry already proved Dantoni was the wrong coach for
Amare, for us to add Melo into the equation (a smaller Amare at the SF)
only makes it two powerful reasons why Dantoni is the wrong headcoach.
3) We needed to watch two months of our old roster under a new headcoach
with an offense/defense system b/c our 2010-11 roster had strong defensive
depth in PG-Douglas/SG-Fields/SF-Chandler/PF-Turiaf/F-AR/and C-Mozgov.
After one season under Dantoni's offense, and next season under a defensive
headcoach all 6 of those young players potential, creative-talent, and trade-
value will increase by 3 to 5 times better than what it is today.
4) I wanted an (UFA) Melo in the offseason taking less money to show a
committment to become a contender alongside of Amare in New York, this
way we could resign Chandler as backup to both Star players (or injuries).
5) I also wanted to see if the NBA (Stern) was going to let another big-
marketing-franchise (UFA) player walk to the team of his choice without
the team giving anything in return to the Denver Nuggets. The Denver
Nuggets would lose half of its average gross and profit if their franchise
(marketing) player Carmelo walk as a FA to the team of his choice.....
it already affected Phoenix, Utah, Toronto, and Cleveland bigtime.
P.S. Did Donnie Walsh and Dolan wide circle of media have anything to do
with so many top franchise-players walking to the team of their choice as
an UFA in the 2010 offseason? recall the "2010-plan" in 2008, plus Amare
was the first to make a committment and sign.
Top marketing franchise players walking to the next team as a FA has never
happen before in the history of the NBA...
:smokin: :gony: :smokin:
The Nets were stupid not to sign Harrington
u are absolutely right about Dolan seeing big $$$$ marketing value in the
tandem (Billboard) of "Melo & Amare" in MSG, and other forums.
Its only a $$$ money making bussiness to owner Dolan.
Dolan cleaned up bigtime marketing "Starbury" the first two years....
everybody and their Mama was packed to full-house in MSG wearing
a Marbury #3 jersey the first two years.
The Knicks needed both Nene & Camby more than they needed Mcdyess
to go alongside of PF-Kurt Thomas, 4th qtr. energy SF-Spree, lights-out
SG-Houston, and little tough pass-first PG-Ward. Dont forget the close
friendship of Camby & Spree who could turn-up the volume in the game
at anytime.
STAT and Melo do alot of the same things but they dont get in each other's way. Miami's main problem is that they dont shoot well. Wade kicking out to Lebron for a shot is not a good look. STAT and Melo in that situation is a bucket.
Osiris80
Benchwarmer
I dont know how fans dont have an issue with the fact that there was only so long left of this season before we made the trade for melo.
it was only a couple of months before seasons end and we could of had the guy as a free agent at his expense but not the franchises.
everyone sais that if a star's available you have to go for them. dude hasnt played like a star.
team hasnt reaped the benefit of the trade after almost 20 games.
no flexibility left for next season unless we get rid of billups. i dont know how any long time knick fan can be happy with giving him away. even if he has been in a slump since his injury
cba on the way
when we coulda just waited 5 months and kept the same playoff spot but had guys like felton, gallo, mozgov etc as trade bait to round out as near a perfect team as possible.
not a carmelo hater (yet) but i agree with people that say we gave up too much and think its dumb that dolan goes over donnie and mikes heads to get the star and then raises garden tickets by 49%
jimkcchief88
All Star
So if I get your problem is D'antoni trying to coach Melo and STAT. I get that. Do the Knicks need to get better on defense??? Sure. But when you have a chance to get an elite player in his prime, you do it. We can always add a better coach or better role players down the road. Like I said before you gotta break a few eggs to make an omelette. Watch out for this team in the playoffs....
Are u kidding me? the best season Gallo had as a Knick was this season,
Gallo was applying himself at scoring inside & outside, and getting to the
foul line two or more times a game. Plus adding havoc on the defensive-end.
Wilson Chandler worked on his handle and his stop in motion jump-shot
to be deadly from 15 to 20 feet. And Will's defense on the peremeter or
in the paint is missing misserably.
I would rather have both Gallo & Chandler over "Big Name" Carmelo any
day of the week. Especially for the postseason games where Melo is a
failure at.
The Denver Nuggets got over like a fat-rat in a cheese-factory getting
4 young long-term winning players to become a 2nd round postseason
team along with Portland, Thunder, Lakers, and Spurs.
Denver would have no wins over those 4 playoff teams in a series with Carmelo.
The Knicks couldve went 6 to 7 games in a series with the Bulls and Miami
with bum-coach Dantoni with the roster we started the season with.
Having Carmelo mean SWEEP or 5 game series vs any of the four top
playoff teams in the EC. Billups need better defense from his Bigmen to
win a series.
Carmelo wants 32+ minutes in a postseason game, he will have to defend
players like Deng/Lebron/Turk/or Pierce, who will all score bigtime on
Carmelo in the 4th qtr. in a series.
We shouldve waited until the offseason to see how much Melo wanted
to become a contender with Amare.
ronoranina
Fundamentally Sound
Except Melo prolly would've signed w the Nets if we waited.
He wanted his money Kiya.
He wanted his money Kiya.
Thats FK'in funny.....Are u being sarcastic ?
Harrington playing defense....
The kids teams I coach the running joke when a kid does pass is " Come on dont pull a Harrington"
This may win funniest comment of 2011...
jimkcchief88
All Star
Your post is based on some assumptions
You are assuming we could have just grabbed Melo in the off-season.... He would have been a free-agent with other suiters..
You are assuming our Knicks would have made the playoffs with Gallo and crew... We have already seen what Cock and crew can do... Nothin.... Ty Lawson is the little engine making Denver go...
You are assuming our Big Three of STAT/MELO/Billups won't learn to play as a unit. Its only been a couple of weeks since the trade. Our Big Three has playoff/championship MVP experience that will serve us well during the playoffs. Stay tuned until then....
We are in the best shape we have been in a DECADE