Well he is 25. 2 years older than Westbrook. His passing skills are average, he may well learn to control himself in the future but I don't think he's PG material. I do think however that he can be used to guard opposing PG's. I reckon he'll be a very decent 6th man; maybe even start at 2 when we want to field a perimeter orientated team. I don't see him developing into a star player though. Good shot, good defence, limited basketball IQ at the mo. At 25, I see him becoming a Jason Terry type of player which is still a very good thing for the Knicks.
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Well he is 25. 2 years older than Westbrook. His passing skills are average, he may well learn to control himself in the future but I don't think he's PG material. I do think however that he can be used to guard opposing PG's. I reckon he'll be a very decent 6th man; maybe even start at 2 when we want to field a perimeter orientated team. I don't see him developing into a star player though. Good shot, good defence, limited basketball IQ at the mo. At 25, I see him becoming a Jason Terry type of player which is still a very good thing for the Knicks.
ronoranina
Fundamentally Sound
good points guys, but..
Paul was cleared to play this season after the knee injury he suffered last season. He started the season wearing a knee brace as a precaution and now, if you've noticed he's no longer even wearing it. Paul is fine. He has continued to recover fully throughout the season from his knee injury while playing and carried his team to the playoffs in a tough western conference. That dude is for real. He's also healthy. It might appear that he's had alot of niggling injuries throughout the season, but when you're your team's only star you're going to get nicked up..
Amare had microfacture surgery on his knee. Bosh has creaky knees. This did not stop them from moving on to new teams hand recieveing huge contracts? Why should a healed injury prevent Paul from doing the same.
Kobe has little to no cartilage in his left knee. Said knee has not prevented him from playing well all season. Jordan had creaky knees. He had chronic tendonitis from the time he was 29. Your point is??
Well what if Amare and Melo restructured their deals to accomodate Paul? The big three in Miami all took less money. So did the big three in Boston. Maybe the plan all along has been for them to follow suit. Who knows. All I know is that somehow this Paul acquisition needs to get done and probably will. We need him on this team. Nobody could run this team better than Paul in my opinion.
Your point about not needing another superstar because we have Melo and Amare is well taken KFFQ. In the NBA YOU NEED TWO STARS AT MINIMUM TO WIN IT ALL. Fine, I know this. But if we have the opportunity with the coming of a new CBA and the increased cap that might bring, then you do a deal.
If the cap stays the same and is not lowered, which I (I simply cannot see David Stern allowing teams to have even less flexibiltiy) really see happening. If we keep Billups at 14 million for next year and let him walk after next season, we'd have that for Paul. Or we buy him out sign him to a new 1 yr deal and let him walk and we'll still have that space. What if Paul decides he'll take less (11-14 million)money than Melo and Amare to sign w us in free agency after the 2012 season..? We drop a couple of the guys we have now, retool w some hungry role guys who'll play for the minimum, some smart, lucky drafting and we're good to go.
Paul was cleared to play this season after the knee injury he suffered last season. He started the season wearing a knee brace as a precaution and now, if you've noticed he's no longer even wearing it. Paul is fine. He has continued to recover fully throughout the season from his knee injury while playing and carried his team to the playoffs in a tough western conference. That dude is for real. He's also healthy. It might appear that he's had alot of niggling injuries throughout the season, but when you're your team's only star you're going to get nicked up..
Amare had microfacture surgery on his knee. Bosh has creaky knees. This did not stop them from moving on to new teams hand recieveing huge contracts? Why should a healed injury prevent Paul from doing the same.
Kobe has little to no cartilage in his left knee. Said knee has not prevented him from playing well all season. Jordan had creaky knees. He had chronic tendonitis from the time he was 29. Your point is??
Well what if Amare and Melo restructured their deals to accomodate Paul? The big three in Miami all took less money. So did the big three in Boston. Maybe the plan all along has been for them to follow suit. Who knows. All I know is that somehow this Paul acquisition needs to get done and probably will. We need him on this team. Nobody could run this team better than Paul in my opinion.
Your point about not needing another superstar because we have Melo and Amare is well taken KFFQ. In the NBA YOU NEED TWO STARS AT MINIMUM TO WIN IT ALL. Fine, I know this. But if we have the opportunity with the coming of a new CBA and the increased cap that might bring, then you do a deal.
If the cap stays the same and is not lowered, which I (I simply cannot see David Stern allowing teams to have even less flexibiltiy) really see happening. If we keep Billups at 14 million for next year and let him walk after next season, we'd have that for Paul. Or we buy him out sign him to a new 1 yr deal and let him walk and we'll still have that space. What if Paul decides he'll take less (11-14 million)money than Melo and Amare to sign w us in free agency after the 2012 season..? We drop a couple of the guys we have now, retool w some hungry role guys who'll play for the minimum, some smart, lucky drafting and we're good to go.
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WrongIslander
Rotation player
Paul has had a really poor year, I mean just check out the win shares comparison and you'll see that ...
CP3 was injured, like many players have been before and since, he isn't injured now and he's carrying his team as he always has due to him being the best PG in the game.
How do we know ANYONE will stay healthy the whole season?
KnicksFanFromQueens1985
Banned
The only way I'm down to see CP3 as a Knick is if 4 things happen to prevent major cap hell.
1) Amare agrees to take 3M less per year.
2) Melo agrees to take 3M less per year.
After we buy Billups contract out, that saces about 12M.
12 from Billups + 3 from Melo + 3 from Amare comes out to a total of 18M in savings. If Melo & Amare really dream of Paul + a championship? They let go of 3M each & continue to live rich for life.
3) With that 18M in savings, we sign CP3 for 9M per & 4) a Center this offseason such as Gasol or DeAndre for 7M. Still leaves with 2M to build around the team.
Thats the only way. Even if we lose Fields & TD23, we gain for example DeAndre & CP3.
C- DeAndre
PF- Amare
SF- Melo
PG- CP3
I'd love that starting lineup. We'd have to get lucky & draft another talented rookie such as a Fields during the draft.
I'd love CP3 the player. Hate what his MAX contract would do to our franchise. I highy doubt both Melo & Amare agree to take 3M less per year. I also highy doubt CP3 plays for 9M.
1) Amare agrees to take 3M less per year.
2) Melo agrees to take 3M less per year.
After we buy Billups contract out, that saces about 12M.
12 from Billups + 3 from Melo + 3 from Amare comes out to a total of 18M in savings. If Melo & Amare really dream of Paul + a championship? They let go of 3M each & continue to live rich for life.
3) With that 18M in savings, we sign CP3 for 9M per & 4) a Center this offseason such as Gasol or DeAndre for 7M. Still leaves with 2M to build around the team.
Thats the only way. Even if we lose Fields & TD23, we gain for example DeAndre & CP3.
C- DeAndre
PF- Amare
SF- Melo
PG- CP3
I'd love that starting lineup. We'd have to get lucky & draft another talented rookie such as a Fields during the draft.
I'd love CP3 the player. Hate what his MAX contract would do to our franchise. I highy doubt both Melo & Amare agree to take 3M less per year. I also highy doubt CP3 plays for 9M.
STAT1
Starter
At this point I think if I had to choose between CP3 & a role player like Turiaf at C or keeping Chauncey & being able to sign someone like Deandre Jordan or some other legitimate 7 foot starting calibre C, I'd take the latter, especially with CP3's injury issues & lack of cartilage in both knees. I love CP3 but now that we have the 2 superstars in place that can carry the offense, I think it's more important to build the supplementary pieces around them than to focus on bringing in another superstar.
WrongIslander
Rotation player
Wondering if anyone's attitude towards this trade has changed with the news that CP3 apparently will wait to become a FA to get his move to NY.
ronoranina
Fundamentally Sound
my wisdom never changed lol.
i love how my posts stand the test of time.
dudes arguing with me sound funny in here
i love how my posts stand the test of time.
dudes arguing with me sound funny in here
serendipity10
Benchwarmer
CP3 is worth getting. Seeing some arguments opposing getting CP3 is kind of weak. I'm all about building a strong team. A team, works with a list of things. If Knicks pull off CP3
1. A passer- CP3
2. star player (finisher/clutch)- Melo
3. inside scorer- STAT
4. outside scorer- Knicks have a list of players
5. inside defender/rebounding- ???? (easy to acquire)
6. outside defense- TD, CP3, Iman
7. Role players- any player can fill this job
With three star players other players on the floor will have easier shots and opportunities to drive to the basket. CP3, STAT, and Melo all can score and to make things better one of them is one of the best passers. Melo and STAT are decent inside defenders and rebounders, only need a Center. Even Center won't be hard to acquire, veteran minimum, a defensive minded Center, or a rookie surprise.
Having all stars makes it easier for others to play, look at Shawne Williams and Landry Fields.
1. A passer- CP3
2. star player (finisher/clutch)- Melo
3. inside scorer- STAT
4. outside scorer- Knicks have a list of players
5. inside defender/rebounding- ???? (easy to acquire)
6. outside defense- TD, CP3, Iman
7. Role players- any player can fill this job
With three star players other players on the floor will have easier shots and opportunities to drive to the basket. CP3, STAT, and Melo all can score and to make things better one of them is one of the best passers. Melo and STAT are decent inside defenders and rebounders, only need a Center. Even Center won't be hard to acquire, veteran minimum, a defensive minded Center, or a rookie surprise.
Having all stars makes it easier for others to play, look at Shawne Williams and Landry Fields.
p0nder
Starter
#5 is not as easy to acquire as you think. The Shaq's, Bill Russell's, Pat Ewings, Hakeem's and Tim Duncans of the NBA don't just grow on trees.
While I would be fine with getting cp3, i can see how the argument for pursuing dwight howard at all costs supplants "the toast" as a better overall strategy. Still, these guys seems to make a real commitment with that toast and so far all aspects of it have come to fruition. I have no reason to believe that they won't be united in NY by this time next season
(other then that pesky "money" stuff, but i'll leave that to the espn trade machine analysts to figure out.)
While I would be fine with getting cp3, i can see how the argument for pursuing dwight howard at all costs supplants "the toast" as a better overall strategy. Still, these guys seems to make a real commitment with that toast and so far all aspects of it have come to fruition. I have no reason to believe that they won't be united in NY by this time next season
(other then that pesky "money" stuff, but i'll leave that to the espn trade machine analysts to figure out.)
serendipity10
Benchwarmer
My bad, by easy to acquire for center I meant good enough to fill in. With three allstars there is no need for the center to score and with CP3 at point might even create for the center. If all energy is put to defend and rebound someone like Robin Lopez, Andris Biedrins, or maybe even Jerome Jordan can produce.
Your right a great center is a hard find, but all the Knicks need if CP3 would join is an average Center who fills the role.
I also agree on Dwight being a better pickup, but CP3 as of right now seems more possible and people were arguing CP3 would be bad for the Knicks. I'm showing that isn't the case.