I think this thread served its purpose. As many of us have stated before, no one thinks Billups is worth the 14 mil option he has for next season, so that issue should have been put away loooooong ago.
The next and most important thing was Billups talent level and his ability to lead this team at the PG position. Trill came with all these reasons why Billups wasn't the right fit for this team and whenever he met opposition would reference age, desire and even his skill! The majority of people disagreed but he kept on trying to prove why he was right even while Billups was proving that he could still play at a high level.
People constantly pointed out to Trill that he wasn't 100% during his subpar games and you igonored it. Billups then turned it up when he was healthy and you still found reasons to keep doubting him. You should have conceded long ago but instead you panic and prefer to tell people how they aren't debating you properly or some other crap.
Bottom line Trill: The poll results show what the general concensus is so leave it alone and move on.
Last edited by nyk_nyk; Apr 08, 2011 at 11:09.
Guess what. I voted yes too so what exactly did you prove? That under a hypothetical ideal scenario we would take Billups? Okay...
I have made my case more than once and you have yet to actually address my points directly in a meaningful way. You can continue to state I'm wrong but stating something and proving it are two very different things. You are also free to disagree with my conclusions and I was the first to acknowledge I was in the minority but I did give my reasons for my assertions. Sadly instead of debating me you got buthurt because I questioned your IQ and since then have been hellbent on evening the score at the expense of the debate. Sorry if I hurt your feelings, I did even say:
Meh. I guess I should take it as a compliment that I garner so much attention that people need to create whole threads to get my attention and reference me by name more than once including their OP.My bad on being harsh but as you like to say...REAL TALK.
Being in the majority does not equal being right. At one point the majority of Americans thought black people were inferior. Were they right? At one point in a majority thought the world was flat. Were they right?
Sometimes it takes guts to stake out a minority opinion ahead of the masses and stick to it even when attacked. I emphasize the word attack because had you and some others actually debated instead of distorting my position this could have stayed civil. Further, I can concede points and admit I was wrong evidenced by my retraction regarding Billups never being a good defender. Rono used his brain, stuck to the topic and provided evidence to directly counter my point. That is how you debate and I respect Rono for that.
Billups is not the right style for this team but as I mentioned more than once I can take a PRAGMATIC approach since there are several things this team needs. I stated:
^^That's called pragmatism dude. It's accepting less than my perceived ideal scenario in return to filling other needs. Damn dude, what is wrong with you?Fair points and at 2-3 mil a year I have no problems with Billups. My issue is what we do moving forward. I would take Billups running the point another year or so at 2-3 mil if the saved money allowed us to fill other needs. A pass first PG is certainly not our only need. I just hope Amare doesn't suffer from Billups score first mentality.
P.S. That's right, I have spent post after post defending my position. I wish you had spent post after post explaining your stance instead of attacking me, simply stating I'm wrong or diverting the subject to the coach.prag·mat·ic/pragˈmatik/Adjective
1. Dealing with things sensibly and realistically in a way that is based on practical rather than theoretical considerations
Just out of curiosity do people really think Billups would be okay with the Knicks buying him out causing him to lose roughly 12mil? Then turn around and re-sign with us for a less. I mean that is what this hypothetical scenario is based on. Don't you think he would rather go earn 2-3mil back in Denver or with a team like Miami who is closer to a title than us? Just food for thought.
When we got Billups, you felt he would hurt the team because he wasn't a pass first PG but you were proven wrong (up until this point). All I've ever argued was that he's not washed up and can still play at a high level for this team and hep us win.
Its contradictory to to claim he isn't the right PG for this team and point out his stats to support your assertions, but then say you have no problem with him at a reduced salary. If your going to spend all that time looking up stats and referencing his career numbers to prove why you don't like him for the team then stick to your guns man. Don't flip flop because then all your going to do is point to a post and say "oh that's not true I actually said this here" blah blah blah.
^^This post was full of attacks and one of your many diversions now bringing up Gallo of all people!lol your funny man! So only 8 games by Billups and you feel he's not the right PG for Amare. We've had over a whole season to know that Dantoni isn't the right coach for this team.
Another reason why your a comedian: When Gallo was here you gave him all types of passes (injury, age, acclimation to the league) whenever he struggled. SO why on earth are you so quick to throw a guy under the bus who has been a champion and has made teams better at the PG position?? Yes CB is 35 but he's not at the decline of a Shaq so that was a dumb comparision to begin with. CB can obviously still play at a high level.
All that BS you talking is nonsense. BOTTOM LINE IS THAT CHAUNCEY IS A PRO AND WHO ARE YOU TO DECIDE THAT HE CAN'T PLAY WITH AMARE? Maybe different offensive schemes need to be implemented. Maybe Amare needs to move without the ball better. Maybe Amare prefers to be a jumpshooter at this point. My dude, your marginalizing CB to some weak PG that hasn't made a name for himself in this league. Just because you feel a player doesn't fit with 1 guy doesn't mean he's not right for the TEAM. Cmon son!!! Wake up!
I get it! You are the fanboy persident for Dantoni. Just remember you are part of a minority on here when it comes to that.
And don't try to insult my basketball knowledge because you questioning of CB already provided you an L.
So you asked me to post some of your quotes and I posted the first few. Not one time did you actually address my points! Shall I go on?
Oh and no, it is not contradictory, again it's pragmatic! I have stuck to my guns, his style is not conducive to this roster or system. That doesn't mean I can't accept him at 2-3mil if that means we can fill another big need at center. It's less than ideal but acceptable since there are plenty of things we need. More pointedly I rather Billups at 2-3mil and M. Gasol or D. JOrdan than Jared Jefferies/Turiaf and Billups at 14mil. Get it? Doubt it...Its contradictory to to claim he isn't the right PG for this team and point out his stats to support your assertions, but then say you have no problem with him at a reduced salary. If your going to spend all that time looking up stats and referencing his career numbers to prove why you don't like him for the team then stick to your guns man. Don't flip flop because then all your going to do is point to a post and say "oh that's not true I actually said this here" blah blah blah.
LOL at you asking me to prove what a dbag you are and then when I do so you continue to distort and deflect furthering your douschebaggery!