I'll take Stat avg.'ing 10 points per if our team defense was top 10. Believe that.
Smh at you stating Amare dropping 30 as some sort of anectdote.
I guess the D'Antoni brainwash iis ingrained in you...smh
And I don't hear you saying anything about D'Antoni being the highest paid. Wonder why?
Besides our ENTIRE payroll comes with the expectations of winning and competing. It matters NOT how we do it, or who performs to what standard...
The ends justify the means. In this case (Mike) we are being short changed.
Just realize your stance on Mike is weak and unwarranted. We won't crucify you for adjusting your opinion. Its ok we understand.
You gave it a try it didn't work, now you realize we can't afford to make the same mistakes going forward. After all we do have $185 spent on two players. If that's what you care about.
As I said earlier, if the three main players don't buy into the system or don't respect the coach then he needs to go. More important than anything is whether or not players buy into/believe in the system. If there is MDA-related-dissension in the ranks, he needs to go.
Originally Posted by Knicksin60
Steven a Smith was on with BT. What he says makes sense.
Here is SAS in a nutshell by MDA (my one sentence summary):
Its not that MDA is a bad coach, he just won't do the things to become a better one.
MDA did go through a lot. Any compassionate human being would want to give MDA stability and to se what he's about with one full year witha a solid core.
The problem is we haven't seen any glimmer of coaching moxy from D'antoni.
Here's an analogy:
Danilo Gallinari was abig topic here with Knicks fans: Would he be really good or just below average.
Gallo in his early stages showed that he can be a good play or a great piece to a winning team. His desire to be the best was there. Always wanted to guard the best player. Not the most adequate defender but always tried. His was a good teammate.
Knicks fans saw something.
In MDA, there was nothing the past 3 years that showed he did something special.
ONLY GREATNESS EQUALS GREATNESS
Nothings a lock in terms of how far one can go- but the fact remains defensive teams go further. Indesputable.
Recall how Love dropped 30 & 30 on us
Recall how Hansbourough (spelling) killed us... twice
Or how 3rd tier teams were made to look like contenders against us
Or how many times we were forced to comeback from 20 point deficits
And you want to sell me on the roster? The roster... really?
Wow. That's why we chucked 7 threes in a row or had to come back from 16 down... because of the roster..smh
At the very least not only would we not still be clammoring for almost impossible pieces, but we would have actually been competitive.
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"It is not easy to call for the exodus of a coach who averaged 58 wins a season in his previous job, who is as kind and decent as they come. Nor does it seem fair to call for the head of a coach who, some would say, helped resurrect this franchise and made the Knicks relevant again. But when players are devoid of respect for a coach's basketball acumen, when the opposition laughs over the transparency of his game plan -- so much so that D'Antoni's players intimated they had instituted their own changes at halftime of a close-out game -- the need for a change simply cannot be denied.
The rare display of heart and guts the Knicks exhibited in the second half of Sunday's Game 4 didn't happen just because they started hitting shots and the Celtics suddenly forgot how to defend them. "We got tired of the way things were going," one player explained in the wee hours of Sunday night, long after everyone had departed from the Garden.
"We walked in at halftime and said 'We can't go out this way.' We were pretty ticked off, especially at us not seeming to have any answers scheme-wise. We knew Boston knew everything we were going to do, how we were going to do it, so we needed to do something differently. We just couldn't keep going the way we were going."
"Coach knows offense," one player explained. "It would be nice to set plays, control pace and not jack up shots just because you're open. But that's what Coach does. You could live with it if we played defense. But obviously, we haven't done that much. Good, bad or otherwise, all I can say is that I've never seen anything like this."
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Why The Knicks' Mike D'Antoni Needs To Be Fired
First Posted: 04/25/11 03:58 PM ET Updated: 04/25/11 04:52 PM ET
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Mike D’Antoni has to go.
There, I said it.
The truth is D’Antoni is a nice guy who belongs as an assistant coach solely dedicated to designing fast break style and scheme. But, in a league where you simply cannot win without consistent defense, D’Antoni’s time as a head coach has come and gone.
The Knicks just don’t know how to win, which, of course, is a direct reflection of the head coach. D’Antoni’s coaching style of “we’re going to do everything possible to push tempo and outscore you” is a fun system that produces excitement and some regular season wins. His teams consistently rank at the top of the league in points scored and at the bottom in points allowed (28th this season and dead last in 2009-2010 when they gave up 107.8).
But I can’t reiterate the downside of such a system enough. Winning playoff basketball is predicated off of half-court execution and defense. Boston -- as I predicted before the series began -- did not allow New York to run. The Celtics made the Knicks beat them in a slow game, which they couldn’t do. Better yet, the C’s did what every good club in the playoffs has always done to D’Antoni teams … make them play defense.
To be fair, not all of the onus falls on him. Despite the uber-gifted duo of Amar’e Stoudemire and Carmelo Anthony, the Knicks’ roster is full of holes. As great as he’s been, Stoudemire has been playing out of position all season as a center.
Anthony meanwhile is a superior talent but still, eight years into his career, not an actual superstar. Debate it all you want, but he's just not.
Lastly, Chauncey Billups -- at 34 years old -- is not the right man to direct this offense. He doesn’t have the sheer speed of Raymond Felton and thus could not lead the transition game as effectively. Moreover, it’s very challenging to bring a team together after infusing such egos and talent midway through the season. There are a lot of moving parts for a team still searching to find the right balance of top heavy talent and ancillary parts.
But that’s where it stops. D’Antoni still had plenty of opportunities to will his team to wins against Boston.
Game One was an abomination. New York held a double-digit lead for much of the game, yet somehow seemed shell-shocked when Boston made its run. Memo to the Knicks: This is the NBA … everyone, especially a team like the Celtics, can make a run. You have to take the punches and fight back. The Knicks though -- lacking the winning framework its head coach -- rolled over like a hot batch of Pillsbury dough.
As bad as that was, nothing was worse than Game 2.
Despite the absence of Stoudemire and Billups, New York once again outplayed Boston for much of the night. Anthony was brilliant, scoring 42 points and grabbing 17 rebounds. But, as always in crucial games, D’Antoni’s team folded.
First off -- and this goes for the entire series but especially Game 2 -- where in the world was Landry Fields, playing just 15 minutes?
D’Antoni instead turned to the ice cold Roger Mason, Jr. along with Jared Jeffries and Bill Walker. But why? Mason hasn’t made a jumper all season nor has he played any significant minutes. Jeffries -- whom D’Antoni made it a point to acquire in late February after buying out the defensively minded Corey Brewer -- is a good defender but awful offensively. Walker is a long-range chucker and perhaps the worst defender on the league’s worst defensive team.
Fields could have very well made the difference in that game, and would have helped the whole series. A capable scorer, the rookie was also the best rebounding guard in the entire NBA. Without him, the Knicks may have missed the playoffs altogether, yet when push came to shove, D’Antoni went with Mason, who shot under 39 percent for the series and was a marginal defender at best.
Better yet, why was Jeffries in the game that final possession? Perhaps D’Antoni can make the case for using Mason as an extra shooter to spread the floor, but Jeffries is one of the league’s worst offensive players. His turnover attempting to pass to a wide open Walker was terrible for sure, but in reality ... he had no business being in the game.
In addition to his inability to manage his substitutions and rotation, D’Antoni also hampered the Knicks’ by not making the necessary in-game tactical adjustments. He burned all of his timeouts way too early each of the first two games and inexcusably didn’t prepare his team for the famed Kevin Garnett alley-oop lob in Game One.
When Garnett posted up Jeffries to give Boston the lead in Game 2, he absolutely had to send the double-team. Case in point: Carmelo had 42 in that game, but he couldn’t even get a shot off after his three-pointer put New York up three with 2:35 remaining. Doc Rivers -- by sending constant double-teams at Melo -- forced someone else to beat them. D’Antoni meanwhile let Garnett body Jeffries into the paint for five seconds before draining the pivotal jump hook.
Many people will also point to Carmelo’s refusal to foul Delonte West on the ensuing Celtics possession following Jeffries’ mishap. Once again, let’s be fair: This is two-sided. Melo had to know he needed to commit that foul -- that is just basketball 101. The 9th graders I coach know to make that foul. But then again, why was he even in the game to begin with?
Anthony had five fouls. He shouldn’t have been anywhere guarding the backcourt. That responsibility should have gone to someone else.
Games 3 and 4 were much of the same. The Knicks -- who shot a woeful 40.6 percent during the sweep -- looked uninspired and unprepared; like they knew the series was already over.
This has been a constant theme with D’Antoni coached teams before. Can you recall any key playoff win by his Phoenix teams? Despite an array of talent: an MVP in his prime, Steve Nash; young and healthy star, Amar’e; NBA Sixth Man award winner, Leandro Barbosa; All-NBA defender, Raja Bell; and guys like Joe Johnson and Boris Diaw – D’Antoni never once took his teams to The Finals.
With the threat of the lockout looming, Walsh could very well keep D’Antoni for one more year to avoid the dreaded buy-out. The 59-year-old coach will make $6 million next season, his last under contract with New York.
The Knicks don't have the good fortune of waiting though. Anthony and Stoudemire are both at the point in their careers where if either one of them are ever going to win, it has be now. Chris Paul and Deron Williams -- the two elite point guards in the league -- are free agents after next season, as is the NBA’s premier center, Dwight Howard. Next season’s performance is crucial for a franchise desperately trying to lure one of these three players and create its own version of “The Big Three,” which is all the reason more to fire Mike D’Antoni.
Cant sleep. Figured I'd share this with you guys. If it was already posted, my bad...