Back on thread topic.. lmao at damntoni being exposed... I got a good laugh.. then a rage of fustration came to me..
Wait, Douglas messes up the inbounds play and it's D'Antoni's fault? Douglas apologized to his teammates today for screwing up the play. I'm fine with calling out D'Antoni but you guys take it to another level. Sheesh. Should we blame the economy on D'Antoni too? What about the violence in the Middle East. It must be D'Antoni's fault.
I haven't seen the apology from Toney, so that's whatever.
But when I watch the Miami Heat steal an inbounds play, from the Celtics, where a man is a decoy and runs a defender out of the paint, two players set a couple of successive screens for a player running baseline >> key >> baseline for a chance at a easy play at the rim, where the options are field goal/field goal+and-one/free throws, and the play that Douglas allegedly messed up was "get Melo the ball, and do whatever the **** it is that you want to do" on a night where shots aren't exactly coming at a high percentage out of the ISOs....I have a huge problem. DRAW. UP. AN. ACTUAL. PLAY. COACH!!!
Spin it as me blaming Mike D'Antoni for crime in the inner cities, the ungodly heat in Qatar, or the fact that women shop so damn much.
But he's the coach, he's not coaching, he politics with the refs and yells at no-name players.
Why is Melo even asking if Mike wants a 2 or a 3? Shouldn't the play specify EXACTLY what shot he's taking?
Are we even ****ing serious anymore? This is a joke right? Right?!?!?
Guess if I was simple in the mind...everything would be fine.
Alan Hahn reported today that it was Douglas' mistake as he did not cut on the inbounds. Douglas messed up the cut and Melo had to freelance. Melo did not want to throw his teammate under the bus when addressing the media. Toney Douglas apologized to his teammates today.
You guys are too funny. No matter what goes wrong with the Knicks, it will always be D'Antoni's fault. Look, I don't want D'Antoni here either because the roster built by Dolan does not work with D'Antoni's system. I don't expect D'Antoni to change his system because I can't think of a single coach that has changed their system. And I would not be surprised if D'Antoni doesn't want to be here anymore as he sees the writing on the wall too. We need a Larry Brown type coach here now to get the best out of this roster.
But for f#ck's sake, I swear, D'Antoni could find the cure for cancer and you guys would hate him for it. Just be reasonable is all I ask. It's ok to occasionally blame the players. You give them all the credit for the wins, they can certainly share some of the blame for the losses.
Last edited by LJ4ptplay; Jan 03, 2012 at 20:15.
D'Antoni is gone after this season if not earlier, mark my words.
And since you are saying this is Melo's team and he is coaching this team frequently, then shouldn't Melo get the blame for how pathetic the team is? Oh wait, that must be only when the team wins. When the team wins, it's 100% the players, when they lose, it's 100% D'Antoni.
SMH. Fans are so funny. It's OK to occasionally blame a player for a Knick loss. It happens sometimes.
We shot 35 f**king 3 ptrs. 35 and only hit 10. Please someone tell me what SANE coach allows a team to shot 35 3 ptrs in one game? After that, it was jump shot after jump shot. No one posting up. We did cut into the lead, and this started because guys started penetrating and making baskets or kicking out for a HIGH % shot. Coach never once said we shot too many 3's, I don't think, but he said shots weren't falling, this is who he is. Stat can shot the 3 as long as he makes it, Melo can decide what he wants to do at the end of the game. This is what he did with Nash, who made him look good, but I hope we see who really coached those Phoenix teams now. When are we gonna find away to get easy, high percentage plays closer to the basket? when are we going to emplement some type of zone defense. When are the players going to be held responsible for taking dumb shots, Toney had a few. We never adjusted on defense against the Raptors the whole game, the announcers saw it, we saw it, and the Raptors saw it, and burned us on it twice in the final minute. Guess what, their coach didn't have to wait until after the game and see the FILM to realize what he as a COACH needed to do to pull out a win. This guy has to go, it's awful guys. We
looked good against the Kings because they were hot on offense. We had a large lead, and during one stretch of that game, we continued to march down court with all 5 guys standing around the 3 point line jacking up the 1st 3 point attempt they could get until the Kings cut into our lead. If that had been a better team, we would have lost that game as well. If you don't believe me, please find the game and see fir yourselves.
Last edited by Knicks#7; Jan 03, 2012 at 21:49.
Lol, Knicks#7 got to it before me.
35 3-PT attempts. Thirty five. It's like....some members of the forum don't even watch the games. That loss to the Raptors was clearly MDA's fault on many different levels.
At what point was enough, enough, from behind the line? They shot 10 or 11 3s in the first Q...that's an entire half for most teams.
Ok, yea, Toney may have flubbed the final play (I'm still not sure why Melo had free reign to ask "do you want a 2 or a 3?" the play should dictate that, but I digress) but there was another 47 mins and 49.3 secs to that game. Where was MDA then? When Melo ISO'd 9 times in a row, ummm, helllllllllllllllllo, coach....call a TO and straighten **** out.
But do the players even listen?
This goes beyond whether his system fits or not.
We need a coach who's respected, influential, and competent.
His system........lol. Like That's the prevalent issue here. Not the fact he said about STAT's 3-PT shots "they're ok as long as they go in".....dude, what? I don't even....but....aren't ALL 3-pointers good if they....so, you're........we're ****ed.
Guess if I was simple in the mind...everything would be fine.
Let's not expose ourselves by trying so hard to expose MDA -- like LJ exposed, Douglas did **** up the play. Regardless, Melo himself thought he took a quality shot under the circumstances. And it was. A decent 3 by a hot Melo vs whatever type of 2 you think Toney Douglas should have orchestrated...followed by hitting it...following by them missing...following by us hitting....
And telling Melo that a 2 or a 3 will be fine...is fine. Melo is a superstar offensive force, and on fire. Trying to micromanage and pre-determine whether a 2 or a 3 would be best just makes no sense, and isn't realistic. So Melo should be told whether to take a 2 or a 3, for sure, when in the actual game there is a high probablity that the situation will dictate otherwise?
Obv MDA wanted Douglas to try to orchestrate an even higher % winning play, prior to kicking it to Melo for a 3.
That Tony ****ed it up, and MDA is getting witchhunted over it, is a perfect example that actually exposes our biggest problem -- the worst backcourt in the NBA and having the PG blackhole equivalent to what has in years past been our blackhole at Center.
It sucks, but strawmanning MDA because we (ironically) finally fixed our 5 only to then find outselves with a tantamount blackhole at the 1 isn't going to change anything.
Let's sit back and enjoy this interesting and talented hodgepodge of a team find itself. What progresses and how we do in the playoffs will determine the success of this season and the success of MDA this season. MDA should be replaced with a more suitable coach if he isn't able to control the roster we have by that point.
**** looks wack right now because we are playing without a legitimate NBA point guard, STAT has been injured for half the season, and a lot of NBA teams that brought on or lost major players are playing funky because of the lockout.
We don't look wack because of MDA. Just like last year, pre-Melo, we didn't look wack when we suddenly found ourselves a surprisingly dangerous, playoff bound team.
We are going to make the playoffs. We are going to get a legitimate NBA point guard. Our players will play better together, and our offense (and defense) will get demonstrably better as a result of both.
IMHO, MD'A isn't an all-around style of coach; he wants high-energy plays for players with quick-reflexes. When the team isn't performing up to those expectations, he's not going to compensate for anything, but rather barrel through. It's a great strength to be so optimistic, but also a great weakness.
I love your optimism, my friend, but I can't handle another 10 games of hoping something will click. Not after 100+ games of suffering through the same, revolving issues with D'Antoni ball.
Regarding the way we attempt to win, I'd seen enough of deviating from the customary, methodical course under D'Antoni by mid season last year. I think that the modern/traditional approach on offense is the way we need to go. Yes, our backcourt is horrible, but that is/ they are a product of being misplaced and not having their best abilities adjusted for - Fields in particular.
MD does not get the best out of his team, and he hasn't since he left Phoenix for NY.
HOT BOOTY TIME OUT. ESSENTIAL LONG POST DISTRACTION
Now back to the D'Ant Rant
My reasons for being yet another D'Antoni detractor.
Because the vast majority, bar SSj4Wingzero, tend not to elaborate
When analyzing the Knicks issues at the start of this season, and for the duration of the last, I do blame the philosophy and the coach 8/10 for the following reasons, as we've had the same issues throughout:
- lack of a reliable continuity between our key players
- lack of utilizing our offensive strengths, both individual, tandem or team [particularly inside]
- our painstaking predictability. Once opponent's defense has synched itself with our offense, the chucking begins, the stagnancy, the confusion and so on. This is when you see D'Antoni at his most animated.
And the cycle has continued since Amar'e first donned O&B. Since the Melo trade, they've exacerbated out of control. Our most recent game being the final straw for me.
From watching and re-watching every Knick game, that's how I see, and have seen it, since opening tip in Toronto last year.
The +/- offensively precedented philosophy of Mike D'Antoni looks great when the bombs are dropping, but I believe it's the most out coachable offense in the game, because it's not diverse enough, has no alternate plays drawn up for a high % basket when necessary, detracts from teamwork, and is highly prone to predictability and monotony. If it stops working, we're ****ed.
I see our team members, Chandler in particular, and I just see an obvious mismatch of style VS substance, and in this short season, I don't believe we can afford to keep making the same mistakes.
I see a need to revert to a controlled, deliberate offense that takes a back seat to defense. We have the offensive talent to deliver that.
Mike D'Antoni is not the coach nor the man with the method for this job, with this roster.
All the best for the new year, by the way, broheem. May 2012 be a year full of hot poon and good times for you and your crew.
damn man you guys have to say nsfw in these threads.... its ok to be on the computer where I'm at its not ok to be looking at thongs.....