Carmelo Anthony, the new Glenn Robinson.

nyk_nyk

All Star
Glen Rice was a 3pt specialist.

Robinson more mid range oriented.

and Carmelo Anthony had a very talented squad in Denver, so we can put the fantasy assumptions to rest. He's not that kind of player if we're speaking on a LeBron level or Wade, or Kobe, Shaq, etc or even Steve Nash for example who impact on the game is far greater than Melo has ever been. Guy won two MVP's so theres no argument there.



Here is where you're struggling. You give the forum no real insight on this post.
I rated Melo fairly giving him credit to where credit due and pointing out whats also true...not really worth replying to this you were really better off just telling me you have a problem with me not overrating Melo.




He's not a MVP player.
To be MVP, it takes the entire season, you don't win it in one month. MVP is not rewarded to the best player in April.

Tier 1 is LeBron and Durant

Melo isn't on that level, you HOPE and DESIRE for him to be, but when you sit down and slap yourself in the face and take time to be honest with yourself, you would understand why Durant and LeBron rank higher and also without question rank in a different level ahead of Melo.

Anyone in here who would choose Melo over Durant and LeBron is obviously full of crap.

According to YOU! Melo has clearly hurt your feelings at some point in your life. Durant and Melo have NEVER been an NBA MVP so what the hell is your point? Melo, James, Durant and Pierce are the cream of the crop at the SF position, AND THEN THERE IS EVERYONE ELSE.

How often does a Melo or Durant come out of the draft? You figure that out and then realize how elite they both are. I still can't believe you put Melo and Deng on the same level! You ask any NBA analyst who the top 5 SFs in the league are and I guarantee Melo will be named in the top 3.

Funny thing is, if Melo was on that MIA team last year instead of James they would have won the finals since we all know Melo would have always closed out games like the clutch player he is. Go ahead and deny that.
 

skisloper

Starter
According to YOU! Melo has clearly hurt your feelings at some point in your life. Durant and Melo have NEVER been an NBA MVP so what the hell is your point? Melo, James, Durant and Pierce are the cream of the crop at the SF position, AND THEN THERE IS EVERYONE ELSE.

How often does a Melo or Durant come out of the draft? You figure that out and then realize how elite they both are. I still can't believe you put Melo and Deng on the same level! You ask any NBA analyst who the top 5 SFs in the league are and I guarantee Melo will be named in the top 3.

Funny thing is, if Melo was on that MIA team last year instead of James they would have won the finals since we all know Melo would have always closed out games like the clutch player he is. Go ahead and deny that.

You are giving Melo a lot of credit for a guy who not moved past the first round of the playoffs.............Melo does not want to play 2nd fiddle to anyone and on the Heat it is clearly WADE.
You are correct about Melo being a top 5 but I gurantee every NBA Analyst would say the samething about Melo not playing defense and him having an issue with the coach.....Remember he also had issues with George Karl....
So basically Melo has a tough time dealing with adversity......YES he is playing the best ball in the NBA right now but that alone should tell you what the guy is capable of and that there should never be another game that he plays as a KNICK that MELO should not give a 110%.
 

nyk_nyk

All Star
You are giving Melo a lot of credit for a guy who not moved past the first round of the playoffs.............
You already failed. SMH


Melo does not want to play 2nd fiddle to anyone and on the Heat it is clearly WADE. You are correct about Melo being a top 5 but I gurantee every NBA Analyst would say the samething about Melo not playing defense and him having an issue with the coach.....Remember he also had issues with George Karl.... So basically Melo has a tough time dealing with adversity......YES he is playing the best ball in the NBA right now but that alone should tell you what the guy is capable of and that there should never be another game that he plays as a KNICK that MELO should not give a 110%.
I read all of this and still have no idea what point you're trying to make. You're just typing just to type.
 

nyk_nyk

All Star
Not sure why Metrocard acts like Durant and Melo are on different levels when they post nearly identical stats for their careers. This is the same guy who uses stats to support a Melo and Glen Rob comparison. For some reason, the stats are ok for aligning Melo with GR, but Durant even with similar stats is on another level? GTHOH!
Per Game

Glossary ? SHARESHARE [X] ? Embed ? CSV ? PRE ? LINK ? ?

RkPlayer FromToGGSMPFGFGAFG%3P3PA3P%FTFTAFT%ORBDRBTRBASTSTLBLKTOVPFPTS1Carmelo Anthony 2004201159159136.48.919.3.4590.82.4.3206.37.9.8061.94.46.33.11.10.53.03.024.82Kevin Durant 2008201131431438.08.819.0.4621.43.8.3587.07.9.8821.05.36.32.71.20.93.01.925.9

http://www.basketball-reference.com...1&y1=2011&p2=duranke01&y2=2011#per_game::none
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nyk_nyk

All Star
That table I tried to embed is all fukced up! Just refer to the link. If anyone can embed it please do. Thanks
 

skisloper

Starter
You already failed. SMH



I read all of this and still have no idea what point you're trying to make. You're just typing just to type.

Typing to type.....Point was simple....Great players should give 100% of their effort no matter what the situation.....If Dantonio was still the coach would Melo not be putting in the effort.....

whats worse...Howard saying he wont play for Van Gundy or Melo quitting on Dantonio....

either way I think Greatness has to include dealing wth adversity.....


safe bet anyone on KO is typing to type...
 

orangeblobman

Rotation player
Typing to type.....Point was simple....Great players should give 100% of their effort no matter what the situation.....If Dantonio was still the coach would Melo not be putting in the effort.....

whats worse...Howard saying he wont play for Van Gundy or Melo quitting on Dantonio....

either way I think Greatness has to include dealing wth adversity.....


safe bet anyone on KO is typing to type...

I absolutely agree. This is my sentiment exactly.

Guys that are about it play regardless, they don't pick and choose who they will play under. It's a faulty foundation and a questionable character.

No thanks.

Enjoy the scoring, Melosexuals, because that's all you're gonna have.
 

Cuckoo

Benchwarmer
Point was simple....Great players should give 100% of their effort no matter what the situation.....If Dantonio was still the coach would Melo not be putting in the effort.....

whats worse...Howard saying he wont play for Van Gundy or Melo quitting on Dantonio....

either way I think Greatness has to include dealing wth adversity.....

I agree Melo handled the D'Antoni situation terribly. I have nothing against him if he took his case to the front office and demanded for trade and all that.

But he crossed the line by quitting on the floor. That's the worst message a pro BBall can send to his supporters and fans who paid a hefty price to see him, not to mention the youngsters whom they brought alone to watch the games in the great MSG. What kind of message are they receiving? Had Melo thought about them?

I rather watch 5 average Knicks who give their 100% effort than a superstar who can't handle adversity and quit on his team while playing.

For that reason, it left a blackmark on some of us that it can not be erased easily and forever haunt us for as long as Melo is in a Knicks uniform.
 

nyk_nyk

All Star
I absolutely agree. This is my sentiment exactly.

Guys that are about it play regardless, they don't pick and choose who they will play under. It's a faulty foundation and a questionable character.

No thanks.

Enjoy the scoring, Melosexuals, because that's all you're gonna have.

That's totally fine, but please don't come in here once this team really starts becoming a force in the east and celebrating our best player. I'll gladly take his scoring.

I'm pretty sure if they get past the first round you'll hop on that Melo bandwaggon so fast. If you're off, stay off.

This goes for any other poster who feels the same way.

 

jimkcchief88

All Star
As DMX said to NAS in Belly:"here we go again." Only in the basketball bizarro world of KO.COM are hometown superstars like MELO NOT superstars and phonies like STEPH are legends. So now if you are a MELO fan you are a "Melosexual?" How ridiculous is that. Ask ANY NBA analyst and they will tell you MELO is a top five player in this league. ANY. When Melo and Lebron came out of high school they were 1 and 1a. Melo just stopped at Syracuse to win a national championship first. Dumb a** debates like this are why I don't post here much. I lose basketball IQ points here on KO.COM. This is the best team comprised of the most talent since I joined this board. This team has a legit chance to make a run from the 7-8 seed like the 98' team that lost to the Spurs. Anyone that disagrees is too YOUNG and DUMB to REMEMBER what a GOOD KNICKS team looks like.
 
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metrocard

Legend
Melo is def a top tier SF he's interchangeable as the number 2 or 3 with KD depending on the day. Kevin Durant is a beast and has a good head on his shoulders but his game is not way ahead of Melo's Ive seen KD get shut down badly a few times by good defenders like Artest and Tony Allen, not to mention his post game is just developing. You rarely ever see Melo actually get locked up more often then not if he's having a bad game he's just playing like shit.

Carmelo Anthony vs Ron Artest

Melo
22 ppg
44%
28% 3pt
3 turnovers

Gave up 17 points per game to Artest

Kevin Durant vs Artest

KD35
25 ppg
47% FG
23% 3pt
3 turnovers

Gave up 12 points per game to Artest

Tony Allen vs Kevin Durant

KD35
26.5 ppg
47% FG
7.3 RPG
1.4 BPG

Tony Allen vs Carmelo Anthony (Allen only plays 21 minutes)

Melo
24ppg
44% FG

Feel free to defend yourself on Kevin Durant being "locked up"
Your post said nothing.

Ron Artest and Tony Allen are some of my favorite players in the league, I may be bias towards, but I'll be fair here. They're elite defenders who can lock down ANYONE. Ron Artest has had many moments where he raped Anthony, Durant, and Bryant, his defense has been that good. So once again, your post said nothing.


You thoughts are limited, offense only. You forget about the different dimensions of basketball and your mind has become childlike and only attracted to the glamour in the game, which is why you even stated Durant has a good head over his shoulders, but Melo's "game" is more advanced.

Durant is a MVP candidate this season, Melo is not. Two different levers of players, and every Knick fan in here would glady accept Durant over Carmelo.

You really have to consider doing research on the difference between an A level player and a B+ level player. Durant is the more efficient scorer, and better basketball player overall.

According to YOU! Melo has clearly hurt your feelings at some point in your life. Durant and Melo have NEVER been an NBA MVP so what the hell is your point? Melo, James, Durant and Pierce are the cream of the crop at the SF position, AND THEN THERE IS EVERYONE ELSE.

How often does a Melo or Durant come out of the draft? You figure that out and then realize how elite they both are. I still can't believe you put Melo and Deng on the same level! You ask any NBA analyst who the top 5 SFs in the league are and I guarantee Melo will be named in the top 3.

Funny thing is, if Melo was on that MIA team last year instead of James they would have won the finals since we all know Melo would have always closed out games like the clutch player he is. Go ahead and deny that.

Durant has been a MVP candidate the last 3 years.

Melo is closer to Pierce than he is with Durant. Those are the 2nd tier of SF's, the B+ level SF's who rank up in the top 15-20 players in the NBA.

Durant and LeBron are top 5 players easily, if there was a NBA draft right now, those guys go 1 and 2. Melo and Pierce do not.

Do you understand a bit better now? If you're going to stay delusional about this then you're just embarrassing yourself.

Do your research on Luol Deng.

Luol Deng's defense is as effective as Carmelo's offense, and Deng's offense is better than Carmelo's defense. Luol Deng is a better overall player than Melo, Melo is just a more creative scorer, DOES NOT MAKE HIM A SUPERIOR PLAYER. Scoring doesn't win championships, if it did...Jerry Stackhouse in his Piston days and Gilbert Arenas in his Washington days would of gotten further with their respective teams.

I label Luol Deng, Igoudala, Pierce, and Melo all in the same category.

If you take time to label attributes and see who overall ranks up, you would understand better. I got these guys ranked B - B+, all star caliber players, not really guys you want to put an entire franchise on unless youre highest expectations are getting pass the first round and losing in the semi finals.

Maybe Deng is better than Pierce, maybe Pierce is better than Dala, maybe Melo is better than Pierce....but by how much? Doesn't make a difference. They're all in the same tier because they all bring equal value to their teams.

I believe nyk, you have a disadvantage where you've been conditioned to thinking Melo is this God-like being and you can't see anything else besides that, logic is rejected by you.

and Carmelo in Miami logic is so garbage and such a factless opinionated prediction. Melo is not the franchise player LeBron is, LeBron has so many dominant overall attributes and is by far the best player in the NBA Comparing Melo to LeBron is like comparing Dominique Wilkins to Jason Kidd/Grant Hill/Shawn Kemp hybrid. LBJ is the total package....you're defending a guy who's 41% shooter in the playoffs....Carmelo Anthony ladies and gentlemen.

Carmelo is a 6"8 230 lb SF/PF who shoots as efficient as Allen Iverson, the 5"11 PG/SG scoring phenom...

Melo isn't that kind of player to even bring a team to the playoffs.

LeBron has been to the Finals without all stars and with all stars. Any team that has LeBron is always expected to make the Finals, like how Yankee fans expect a championship every year. With Melo, not much is expected because he's never been in that tier or level and can never be due to the fact LeBron is a freak of nature and the most skilled player in the league. If LeBron never existed, Melo would be up there.

.419 FG% in the playoffs, Carmelo Anthony.

Chill with the condescending attitude because it's not really needed. The 3 factors I mentioned all account for why Melo was slumping. It shouldn't be any surprise to you he's playing at an MVP type level because he's healthier, & the fact that "coach" D'Antoni is gone. The whole culture of the team has done a complete 180. Those factors can't be ignored in your statisical analysis. He's proving this season he can become a 2 way player which I didn't think he could do. I'm just sitting back & watching the Knicks playing the right way which is refreshing. Current players, coaches, & former NBA tv analysts say Melo is an elite player in this league so I don't understand why you can't take see that.

Melo can play at an elite level, but for most of the season he didn't

I understand the coaching situation, Marbury went through it in a more harder way than Melo ever did, but its understandable.

In Boxing, the fighter takes responsibility and blame for everything.

In Basketball, its the coach first, the player second. Basketball is soft.

In Boxing, the trainer doesn't fight for you.

In Basketball, apparently the coaches misses your shots, doesn't box out, lets guys go by him, isolates and kills ball movement and makes lazy turnovers + terrible shot selection.

D'Antoni wasn't a fit, but Melo is a professional. Don't treat him like a baby.

you know what I love about your sig

NO LIN lmao :teeth:

Thats the team I root for

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Without Lin, we wouldn't be a playoff team.

Good job on exposing yourself as a fake Knick fan, and just a straight up Melosexual. Sad to think about you actually rooting against guys like Lin in hope to see Melo redeem himself for sinking the Knicks into a lottery status in the first half of the season before Lin's magical turn of the Knicks.


I absolutely agree. This is my sentiment exactly.

Guys that are about it play regardless, they don't pick and choose who they will play under. It's a faulty foundation and a questionable character.

No thanks.

Enjoy the scoring, Melosexuals, because that's all you're gonna have.

Thats one thing Melosexuals have a problem with seeing, actually a big thing. They act like Melo can do wrong and is an angel, which is having any logical discussion is mission impossible. They really think Melo is better than LeBron, Durant and is a MVP candidate and the best player since Jordan. How do you converse with someone like that? Seems more logical to punch them in the mouth for the ignorance.


anyway, go Knicks!

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metrocard

Legend
As DMX said to NAS in Belly:"here we go again." Only in the basketball bizarro world of KO.COM are hometown superstars like MELO NOT superstars and phonies like STEPH are legends. So now if you are a MELO fan you are a "Melosexual?" How ridiculous is that. Ask ANY NBA analyst and they will tell you MELO is a top five player in this league. ANY. When Melo and Lebron came out of high school they were 1 and 1a. Melo just stopped at Syracuse to win a national championship first. Dumb a** debates like this are why I don't post here much. I lose basketball IQ points here on KO.COM. This is the best team comprised of the most talent since I joined this board. This team has a legit chance to make a run from the 7-8 seed like the 98' team that lost to the Spurs. Anyone that disagrees is too YOUNG and DUMB to REMEMBER what a GOOD KNICKS team looks like.

Relax there fluff man.

btw Jamaican chicks give the craziest cabeza and ride the staff very well, had my first experience couple weeks ago but I can't get this chick to stop calling me. You want me to hook you up? :lol:
 

Red

TYPE-A
You thoughts are limited, offense only. You forget about the different dimensions of basketball and your mind has become childlike and only attracted to the glamour in the game, which is why you even stated Durant has a good head over his shoulders, but Melo's "game" is more advanced.

Durant is a MVP candidate this season, Melo is not. Two different levers of players, and every Knick fan in here would glady accept Durant over Carmelo.

You really have to consider doing research on the difference between an A level player and a B+ level player. Durant is the more efficient scorer, and better basketball player overall.



Durant has been a MVP candidate the last 3 years.

Melo is closer to Pierce than he is with Durant. Those are the 2nd tier of SF's, the B+ level SF's who rank up in the top 15-20 players in the NBA.

Durant and LeBron are top 5 players easily, if there was a NBA draft right now, those guys go 1 and 2. Melo and Pierce do not.

Do you understand a bit better now? If you're going to stay delusional about this then you're just embarrassing yourself.

Do your research on Luol Deng.

Luol Deng's defense is as effective as Carmelo's offense, and Deng's offense is better than Carmelo's defense. Luol Deng is a better overall player than Melo

I believe nyk, you have a disadvantage where you've been conditioned to thinking Melo is this God-like being and you can't see anything else besides that, logic is rejected by you.

and Carmelo in Miami logic is so garbage and such a factless opinionated prediction. Melo is not the franchise player LeBron is, LeBron has so many dominant overall attributes and is by far the best player in the NBA Comparing Melo to LeBron is like comparing Dominique Wilkins to Jason Kidd/Grant Hill/Shawn Kemp hybrid. LBJ is the total package....you're defending a guy who's 41% shooter in the playoffs....Carmelo Anthony ladies and gentlemen.

Carmelo is a 6"8 230 lb SF/PF who shoots as efficient as Allen Iverson, the 5"11 PG/SG scoring phenom...

Melo isn't that kind of player to even bring a team to the playoffs.

LeBron has been to the Finals without all stars and with all stars. Any team that has LeBron is always expected to make the Finals, like how Yankee fans expect a championship every year. With Melo, not much is expected because he's never been in that tier or level and can never be due to the fact LeBron is a freak of nature and the most skilled player in the league. If LeBron never existed, Melo would be up there.

.419 FG% in the playoffs, Carmelo Anthony.



Melo can play at an elite level, but for most of the season he didn't

I understand the coaching situation, Marbury went through it in a more harder way than Melo ever did, but its understandable.

In Boxing, the fighter takes responsibility and blame for everything.

In Basketball, its the coach first, the player second. Basketball is soft.

In Boxing, the trainer doesn't fight for you.

In Basketball, apparently the coaches misses your shots, doesn't box out, lets guys go by him, isolates and kills ball movement and makes lazy turnovers + terrible shot selection.

D'Antoni wasn't a fit, but Melo is a professional. Don't treat him like a baby.



Without Lin, we wouldn't be a playoff team.

Good job on exposing yourself as a fake Knick fan, and just a straight up Melosexual.

Too many contradictions to be taken seriously. Please re-read and revise. These assertions are both foolish and contradictory on several levels, not to mention devoid of logic and proper (i.e. economic, probability) context.

All I can say (because I don't feel like pointing out the many inaccuracies) is

*Teams win championships not players

*There is ONE Durant and ONE James, and THIRTY teams

*The ONE Durant and ONE James, have yet to be on a TEAM that has won a chip...go figure

*Then you went to comparing Melo to Loul Deng; he hasn't played on a championship squad either.:shrug: With all his defensive skills, Melo hit two game deciding shots on him... those happen sometimes :shrug:

*Melo has been here two years (1.5)... we've made the playoffs two years... go figure

*Then you mention logic, right before you create a fictitious "Kidd-Hill-Kemp" hybrid. Wow.

*We can all do without the tangents and the honorable D'Antoni mention. Thanks. :smokin:

* and the attempt to alienate Melo fans with this Melosexual shit...

my n!gga thats embarrassing, sad, and desperate all rolled up in one :smokin:
 

goldenchild1688

Benchwarmer
As DMX said to NAS in Belly:"here we go again." Only in the basketball bizarro world of KO.COM are hometown superstars like MELO NOT superstars and phonies like STEPH are legends. So now if you are a MELO fan you are a "Melosexual?" How ridiculous is that. Ask ANY NBA analyst and they will tell you MELO is a top five player in this league. ANY. When Melo and Lebron came out of high school they were 1 and 1a. Melo just stopped at Syracuse to win a national championship first. Dumb a** debates like this are why I don't post here much. I lose basketball IQ points here on KO.COM. This is the best team comprised of the most talent since I joined this board. This team has a legit chance to make a run from the 7-8 seed like the 98' team that lost to the Spurs. Anyone that disagrees is too YOUNG and DUMB to REMEMBER what a GOOD KNICKS team looks like.
post of the day

and still this thread for reasons unknown lives
 

CA7

Scoring Champ
Without Lin, we wouldn't be a playoff team.

Good job on exposing yourself as a fake Knick fan, and just a straight up Melosexual. Sad to think about you actually rooting against guys like Lin in hope to see Melo redeem himself for sinking the Knicks into a lottery status in the first half of the season before Lin's magical turn of the Knicks.




Thats one thing Melosexuals have a problem with seeing, actually a big thing. They act like Melo can do wrong and is an angel, which is having any logical discussion is mission impossible. They really think Melo is better than LeBron, Durant and is a MVP candidate and the best player since Jordan. How do you converse with someone like that? Seems more logical to punch them in the mouth for the ignorance.

that wasn't my point of the post guys were saying we weren't winning til Lin came but since Woody has taken and Lin has been out we are winning and he isn't gettin all the credit, so are we better without Lin in Woodson's system........maybe its been working but no one is saying that

I want Lin to succeed but not at the cost of the media proclaiming him the savior, my sig used to read "teams win championships" not Melo not STAT not Lin its all of them coming together

Its funny anyone on here can say something negative about anyone other than Melo without you havin a bitch fit, maybe you're just like Charles Barkley and just talk bull-shit all day with the hopes of something intelligent coming out of your

Regardless of what you say I'm true to the O&B and you can call me a Melosexual, cus its obvious your just a lesbi-LIN
 

Munchen13

Benchwarmer
A guy who thinks that the Bobcats is a playoff team, is obviously a guy who we shouldn't argue with, especially when it comes to a matter that needs no arguing like the Melo case
 
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