If they weren't going to keep Lin fine then they should of acted like it 100%. I mean that Nash trade was an invite to be fleeced by the suns (I am still glad it didn't go down), but jumping to Kidd next as a plan B without having Lin signed was stupid.
Thats why all we as fans can do is
Cause the knicks can't just stay out of their own way and get ahead....
And unlike Lin, Felton is a known commodity. We're not getting anything more out of him. We know exactly what we're going to get when he comes in and starts chucking 15 shots up with his career 41.2 FG%.
Lin has room to improve and brings a lot more to the table off the court.
This thread is under the assumption that the Knicks do not match Jeremy Lin and make Raymond Felton the starting PG for next season. How will he perform?
First of all, for those of you comparing Linsanity to what Felton did last year, you should throw that out the window. You can't judge him based on last year. However, at the same time, you also can't judge him on the half season he played with us, because it's a small sample size and he was under coach D'Antoni. Let's take a look at what Felton has done since 2009. We are going to look at the past 3 seasons, in order to get a good sample size. The overall conclusion that I've made is that we will most likely get a Raymond Felton from the 2009-2010 season and will least likely get the Raymond Felton from last season, and I'm ok with that.
In Charlotte, he played under Larry Brown who was as anti-D'Antoni as any coach can be. A PG's numbers actually decreased while playing for Brown, and such a thing did happen to Felton. However, note how efficient he was. He shot 45% from the field and 38% from 3. I would take that in a 12 and 6 point guard anyway. It gives us stability at the position. We aren't going to blow anyone away but we'll be set for the next 3 years assuming he keeps this up. During his tenure in Charlotte, his real value came at the defensive end (see his OWS and DWS, Offense and Defensive Win Shares). I've seen Felton (prior to this season) being constantly referred to as a bulldog. I believe that with Felton in shape and actually giving a crap about the game, expect that to be nothing more than a distant memory. Now let's look at his time with us. Of course, his defensive value decreased under D'Antoni, and offense spiked. He did turn over the ball as much as Lin did during Linsanity (around 3.5 times a game) and shot 42 and 35% from the field and 3, respectively. That's nothing to bat an eye at, but it's league average. Under Mike Woodson, Jason Kidd, and Carmelo Anthony, the key to Felton's remaining time in NY will be his tenacious defense and his efficiency on offense. Felton was our 2nd option on offense with Amar'e in that half a season. Now, he will be ~4th or 5th. He has MUCH less of a load to carry and many more options to kick it to, and don't act like he won't learn a thing or two from Hall of Famer Jason Kidd.
I'm going to stay out of talking about Lin because that situation looks like a massive clusterf*ck. At the end of the day, until the players and management come out and confirm things, all we can do is speculate, and roll with the roster they give us. Even though we got significantly older, these old players are nothing like the ones we got in years past. We aren't giving Jerome James and Jared Jeffries 5-year deals. These deals are appropriate to the window we have. We have 3-4 years to win a title, and then we'll start over again and rebuild if need be. Take a look around at this mess of a league. We just got our of a lockout where owners complained about players getting contract they don't deserve. Purely looking at what players like Nic Batum and Omir Asik have done, is it really logical to say these players deserve the money they're given? We just got out of a lockout and the owners have not learned their lesson that this is a player's league, and the National Basketball Association as a whole looks like a big freakin' joke.
IS A BACKUP 5 POINT 3 REBOUND CENTER REALLY WORTH $8 MILLION?
This is a reason why I could care less about any basketball team not named the New York Knickerbockers. This isn't like baseball where I just love the entire game so much. Anyways, back to the topic at hand, it is by no means impossible for the Knicks to pull off a solid post-season run just because one guy may not be here. Who knows, looking back, we may have all the pieces that we need right here. No one predicted that Dallas would go as far as they did 2 years ago.
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I expect about 13-14 pts & 7-8 assists for Felton, about what I would have expected out of Lin next season. Production wise I don't think we'll lose all that much, but excitement wise there's just no comparison.
Great thread StreetDreams. I believe that playing for the Blazers the year after they lost Brandon Roy and the NBA strike both contributed to Felton being flabby n sick last year.
I think he'll return to his 2010-11 form and one thing im a little happy about is while he wasnt anything spectacular defending Rondo, he did a better job then Douglas, Bibby, Billups, Davis and Lin did. And the Celtics are a team we could easily match up with if we're gonna be a 2nd round playoff team.
When Rays on a team hes content with hes the type that will go all out and give it 100%. Im happy to have him back
Felton did bring excitement, he brought a solid starting PG that was miles ahead of Chris Duhon, and nailed that insane game winner against the Raptors. But comparing him, or just about anything else to what Lin did in February, is unfair.
I could care less about excitement as long as we're winning games.
The big concern with Ray's game and its statistical reflection is his outside shooting. He'll definitely get his looks from the arc, but he's going to have to hit a solid 40% of them to make the kind of impact necessary to his and the team's success.
He'd better have a focused and well organized offseason, to be sure.
And eat some fruit Raymond, Jeeeeeeeeeeeezus.