Lin is probably a 10-15 leverl PG right now, but he is only 24 with lots of potential. What about felton? Can he make top 20? Why no team want him? How can that be a upgrade? Dont be delutional.
Yep. Why are you making excuses for those teams??
The Lakers and Bulls were v good teams last year.
Also not all teams are this supposed automatic L after back to back games.
I'll grant you Dallas was not at top form last season, especially after losing Chandler, but Lin really raped em.. to the tune of 27points, 14 assists and 5 steals.
And they were 8th in D rating and 12th in opp points per game last season.
They're team D was nothing to sneeze at.
He beat good teams. Why try to to pook holes and find excuses for the good play.
Please actually read this..
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When a guy can run a pick and roll 100 times throughout one game and give you multiple different looks off quick reads at this point in his career, you gotta recognize. The kid has the mental and physical skills to really play at a high level in the League.
Read the whole thing please. Lin is real.
After the Miami game he averaged 14.9 ppg, 6.8 assist, which is not bad for a so-called struggling player.
Fact is we lost a significant amount of talent that we will not be able to replace.Do you work for Dolan? Do get his meds and coffee in the morning and rub his toes at night?? Jk lol.
But seriously you have to understand what has happened here NYK reloaded.
We reloaded/ retooled, but in a half-assed sort of way by picking up two players that might be has-beens, and the overweight Felton, who's coming off an awful season when should have simply resigned Lin.
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You really taking Ty before Kyrie? Curry? Nash? Parker? Westbrook? Common man.
The game against Miami is JUST one game. All players can have a bad game. People put way too much stock into that one famed bed-****ting. Miami came out Like it was game seven in ECF, loaded for bear like Lin said foul **** about each of their moms before the game. They took that game personally. Players have to fall, pick themselves up and learn from their mistakes. Why make it more than it was?
I dont understand why so many people bash lin using one miami game. He is a good team player and played so hard for knicks. Which top 10 PG can be sure to win the 7 games like lin without melo and stat at that time? He did leave for houston, but he has no choice but one contract, why knicks did not sigh lin just as the same way they signed novak?
Lin does not deserve all of the bashing especially from knicks fans.
Well i think everybody made some great points here but I gotta lean towards what Ron Ron said. He made a great point about all the different things Lin already knows how to do coming off a pick. He has alotta talent and a high iq, hes a good athlete. I cant say exactly how good or great he will be but I would think he'll prove early next season that hes at least a top 10 point guard. His potential is crazy though, he has as much potential as any player i can think of off the top. I wonder what woulda happened if the word from the Knicks was a little more humble instead of saying they would pay a billion to match Lin
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Gibson off the bench is solid for the bulls
Watson is replaced with "kirk hinrich" this guy average 6 ppg and 2apg in 25mpg last season with 5 ppg in the playoffs. ( IMO- Downgrade)
Asik is replaced with "Nazar Mohammed" terrible Downgrade (no debating)
Korver is replaced with "Bellenelii" both are good shooters but korver is takes the cake home with this one he's the better of the 2 (SLIGHT downgrade)
Brewer is replaced with jimmy butler (debatable upgrade or downgrade)
Lucas is replaced with "nate robinson" (fair enough replacement)
after that the rest of your bench is what? rookie teague and radmonvic
Problem 1 - can Hinrich run the offense for the bulls as smooth as Watson did? Watson flat out had the better season last year and looked to be a ideal fit for the bulls.
Problem 2- Who from their bench will step up and provide points on consistent basis?
Problem 3- can the bulls match their same defensive intensity as their previous season? another reason the bulls were very successful was not only because of their second chance rebounding but their defense was a big factor, so what happens now that their defense has clearly downgraded.
problem 4- How will Dengs wrist hold up, since he claims he "DOESN't" need surgery and feels fine.
it'll be interesting to see what happens over in chi-town this season, you maybe right they might be just fine...im skeptical though.
You have your point about the Knicks ill leave it as is until further notice
The nets, adding joe johnson makes them a number 3 seed? we shall see..i''m skeptical i see them finishing as a #5 seed, until i actually see some action on the court.
I'll even give you Lin beating the Lakers and Dallas (no excuses it was impressive, ill give him the benefit of the doubt and tip my hat to him)
but back to the point, yes i picked out the bad games, because outside of the Lakers and Mavs look what teams the GOOD GAMES actually came from, WIZARDS, MINNY, KINGS, RAPTORS, CAVS, PORTLAND, DETROIT does this really impress you?? what other games stand out? the back to back games vs the Pacers? i tip my hat to him for those 2 games as well but what else is there? the truth of the matter is majority the teams Lin played SUCKED and were NON CONTENDING teams, so no i refuse to give Lin a gold star and award him as a top 10 PG in this league no way no how lol. I put out those bad games on purpose to prove a point which, is after the MIAMI HEAT broke down Lin, teams caught onto how to defend Lin which is why he struggled.
People use that "ONE GAME WITH MIAMI" because that one game destroyed all the Lin hype.
Boston- good team = Lin took a L
Chitown- Good team = Lin took a L
Spurs- good team = Lin took a L
Sixers- good team = Lin took a L
Dallas rematch = Lin took a L
Bucks-Hungry team looking for a playoff spot = Lin took a L
all these games came right after the Heat exposed Lin like i said in the previous post, so did the heat show the world something about Lin? or was golden boy Lin just in a little 6 game losing streak slump & shot poorly because the competition went up a notch and teams were more aware/prepared?
We lost a significant amount of talent you say? Whats more important watching Lin fall on his a$$ turning the ball over while we continue to help him learn from his mistakes and improve his game, or trying to win NOW and bring a championship to New York while carmelo and Amare are still in their prime???
in my honest opinion keeping Lin next to Carmelo for the long run would of been a nightmare, Lin is the type of PG that thrives off the ball being in his hands, he's better when he's in control. Playing next to Carmelo and Amare with Woodson as your coach i feel is taking away from Lins talents as well as his production, he needs room and time to improve giving him to the rockets puts him in the best position he can be in (he has his own team) (the ball will always be in his hands) (he can learn from his mistakes with no penalties) he can fully develop with the rockets, in time we will see what Lin is actually made of but as of right now is he this TOP 10 PG people make him out to be?? I just dont see it yet maybe Lin will make me eat crow this season.
I disagree about felton being overweight he's slimmed down alot from the recent pics iv'e seen, but i do agree what he brings to the knicks this season will be very unpredictable seeing how he struggled last season. Hopefully he can regain focus and help lead us through a successful season, i'm more confident with Felton @ PG than i am with Lin and i have my reasons, i just feel Felton & Carmelo are a better fit to play by each other and Felton will commit less Turnovers and mistakes than Lin because he has more NBA years under his belt and has alot more experience (which also includes playoff experience) is that so wrong?
and i'd definitely get Dolans meds, coffee and rub his toes if he were to write me out a big fat check yeah i said it
Ty Lawson is definitely better than Lin...
Felton could prolly stand to lose a couple more pounds, although he does play well anyway with a couple of extra percentage points of body fat on him. I agree that he's slimmed and I'll take him at the weight he is currently.
I agree with you that Felton is prolly the right guy to run the team with Woodson as our coach and Melo being the ball-stopper he is. Lin is just more dynamic though.
IMO better player > better fit/ worse player.
If Melo and Woodson had any common sense they'd be all for letting the game be made easier by the devasting Lin/Tyson/Amare pick and roll run for stretches in games. Melo could till get his touches for stretches. During the P n R stretches w Lin options open up for Melo as they did for Novak. Melo was never open to this type of play and this was v short-sighted of him. I don't believe for a sec that Melo can't simply catch and shoot. He is prolific. I hesitate to call him stupid but he's prolly a lil stupid and stubborn for this.
I think it could have worked between Woodson, Melo and Lin. However, I believe the former two did not want this to happen, along with our owner, and I will be forever PO'd re this.
im expecting a W against anyone we were to play +20 point game blow outs but i see where your coming from.
Felton will probably shed more pounds when training camp starts up like always, it's just a matter of if he can continue to stay in shape throughout the season.
Carmelo is the best player on the Knicks and woody is going to run the offense through him no matter what (Lin or no Lin), though i expect stat to get more touches this season (pause). This is why i say Lin is better off in Houston and were better off with Felton. Woody is not going to play Dantoni ball and run P&R with Lin and chandler all day while Amare and Carmelo catch and shoot when open, he's going to go with his proven star players sitting on the big fat contracts and run the offense through them, it's their job to make something happen.
I don't believe woody fully ever even fully trusted Lin @ PG the way Dantoni did just from looking at his body language and listening to after game interviews
I think the Felton situation is very overrated, im not worried about him at all. Im convinced that he wants to win here in NY and will give it his best. Usually players get a half pass when theres a shortened season, not saying i necessarily agree with that but people will forget he was outta shape last year.
Lets be real...the Bulls will be trash next year. Not worried about them at all. After Miami i think the 2nd best record is obtainable for a number of teams...Knicks, Celtics, Pacers, 76ers. But not the Bulls or Nets
At the end of the day how good or great we are is dependent on how well Stat plays. I have a good idea of what to expect from everybody else
Lawson at the moment is better than Kyrie/Curry/Nash he's in the 2nd tier of elite PG's
1st Tier- Paul/Rose/Rondo/Williams
2nd Tier- Lawson/Westbrook
all Elite Lawson just needs to lead Denver out the 1st Round and Westbrook needs to run the show better he's too much of a scorer
Ask any basketball savvy person, Ty Lawson is legit in every way like I said if he was 6'2/6'3 he'd be even better
^I wouldn't say he's better than Kyrie.. but he's definitely on his level atm