You "debunked the jibberish I posted" I just love when old posters create new profiles names yet post the same way as their previous names... I have figured out who you really are but don't worry the secret of your true identity is safe with me!
Ok there is so much wrong I am not totally sure where to begin
OK so lets start from the begining of your post and work down
Again I am not suggesting that we are telling these guys they are going to be 3rd string the fact of the matter is that it is obvious they will be. I suspect we are pitching to them that there will be playing time yet because they are not stupid they realize that something has to give
Ok...now you believe that Felton/Pablo/Beno are all equally good players (this too exposes your true identity by the way) and that they all have just as much right to minutes....Opinions aside lets look at the facts, Felton started every game he was available to play, Woody has gone on record as saying the slump we went on when Felton was hurt was directly related. It is safe to say Felton is our starting PG just based on coaches preference alone! Woody liked Pablo so much that he started him out of position (yet never started over Felton further validating that it is safe to assume he's our starting PG) We spent part of our precious Mini MLE to retain Pablo which spelled the end for Copeland as you mentioned so it is safe to say he is going to be in the rotation. So no way there is a chance that the 3rd PG we sign is here to try to earn minutes over Raymond in Pablo even if you see the 3 as equal, which is highly debatable.
Now your theory on us trying to secure a 3rd means we are not content with our PG situation...Wrong again! We are 3-4 deep at every position except PG and Center. We have been pursuing both Centers and PG's all summer! This is not a lack of confidence in Pablo and Ray's ability but an insurance policy!
D.J. Augustin/Aaron Brooks/Nate Robinson/Darren Collison/Devin Harris/Toney Douglas/Shaun Livingston/Derek Fisher/Will Bynum/Chauncey Billup are your list of players you feel we should have gotten
Ok so lets look at the facts here.
Nate, Billups, Will Bynum, Aaron Brooks all signed for more than Mini MLE. Devin Harris signed for way more, got hurt so Dallas rescinded the deal and then gave him minimum, but he was slated for Dallas and did not give anyone a chance even after they rescinded
Darren Collison was a shocker in how LAC got him for so cheap...yet he took the money because he knows without a shadow of a doubt that he is there backup to Paul
Toney Douglas and Derrick Fisher are simply not options! Fisher is done! Douglas is not even a combo guard he is an undersized SG who by default gets PG duty
"Mythical Folklore" could you be more dramatic bro! Listen its not just NY, its all big Market teams that have Lure, your basis for this not being true because players like Toney Douglas and Derrick Fisher did not sign here is comical and a bit delirious.
I'm playing chess and you're not even playing checkers yet.
You either need to start following this game called basketball and everything about it or stop following this game called basketball and everything about it. I'm not sure which one you should pick, that's how clueless you are....
First of all you probably blackedout the fact Beno Udrih was the backup point guard for I believe 2 Championship Spurs teams. Although his numbers suggested that's all he was, he landed a starting point guard position in Sacramento once he left the Spurs.
What do we see in comparison to Felton over the same stretch of seasons up to 2010?
http://espn.go.com/nba/player/stats/_/id/2448/beno-udrih
http://espn.go.com/nba/player/stats/_/id/2753/raymond-felton
One could argue from an efficiency standpoint Beno was better. One could argue Duhon was better or as good as Felton when you consider Duhon did not shoot near as much as Felton, played with less talent, and dropped more dimes.
If you want to say that was back then, well the same could have been said of Felton prior to acquiring him... that he was done, finished, fat, and beyond being starting point guard material on a championship contending team... as we re-acquired him from Portland. He was trash there and had we stuck with Lin and not reacquired Felton, that would have been the exact sentiments from this fan base.
I wonder what Beno's numbers would have looked like, had he played at least 1 season in a D'AnToni offense?(which Woodson still runs much of)?
Back To The Lecture at Hand
If the point guards we are pursuing have no chance at PT when we're only offering to pay them peanuts..."Once A Freakin Gain"....dumb approach to doing business.
I'd wager to say not everything a team says when trying to acquire talent is always stood by..what do you think? Also once players are locked into contracts, what real pull do they have on a franchise, unless they are a Max Cat? None!
Matter of fact I recall last year when J.R. Smith was talking about his role of being a bench player sounded as if he was told he could be a starter but things changed once we shaped up the roster and he was asked to come off the bench. Pablo would have no pull if we brought in a 3rd point guard and he got outplayed or one of better caliber. Matter of fact Pablo had a hard time getting Woody to learn to love him last season.
On to the Grad Course....
At off-season's begin we had.....
Novak
Camby
Q
2013 1st
$3.183mil TPMLE
2 2nd round draft picks
Swap option on the 2016 1st
Copeland
$800-900K TPE from Ronnie..."Trash" Brewer
We most certainly could have maxmized our assets/resources better prior to where we are now and achieved more than Bagnani/Pablo/TJ. Especially as the talk builds of looking at 2015, the year to pursue free agents again and clear cap.
Pablo got slightly more than half of the TPMLE 3yrs $6mil(3rd yr TO)-------->($1.6-1.9mil/yr). Now let's look at what others signed for elsewhere.... contending to very much noncontending teams to large and small market teams.
Approximate first yr starting salaries
Robert Sacre to Lakers...for.....$790,000
Austin Daye to Raptors....for......$950,000
Alan Andersen to Brooklyn....for....$950,000
Byron Mullens to Clippers....for....$950,000
Wesley Johnson to Lakers....for....$950,000
D.J. Augustin to Raptors....for.....$1.025mil
Omri Casspi to Rockets...for....$1.025mil
Reggie Williams to Rockets....$1.025mil
D.J. White to Brooklyn....for....$1.025mil
Aaron Brook to Rockets....for.....$1.185mil
Anthony Murrow to Pelican...for....$1.185mil
Jordan Farmar to Lakers.....for....$1.185mil
Nick Young to Lakers....for $1.185mil
Ryan Hollins to Clippers....for....$1.185mil
Francisco Garcia to Rockets....for.....$1.265mil
Shaun Livingston to Brooklyn....for....$1.265mil
Andray Blatche to Brooklyn...for....$1.4mil
DeJuan Blair to Mavs....for....$1.4mil
Derrick Fisher to Thunder....for....$1.4mil
Earl Watson to Portland...for....$1.4mil
Jodie Meeks to Lakers....for....$1.55mil
John Lucas to Utah...for....$1.6mil
Ronnie Turiaf to Wolves...for...$1.6mil
Toney Douglas to Warriors....for.....$1.6mil
Jeff Pendergraph to Spurs....for.....$1.75mil
Jermaine O'Neal to Warriors....for....$1.9mil
Nate Robsinson to Denver...for....$1.9mil
Darren Collison to Clippers....for....$1.9mil
C.J. Watson to Pacers....for....$2.015mil
Eric Maynor to Wizads...for....$2.015mil
C.J. Miles to Cavs....for....$2.225mil
Chris Kaman to Lakers...for....$2.5mil
Tyler Hansbrough to Raptors....for....$2.5mil
Chauncy Billups to Pistons...for....$2.5mil
Will Bynum to Pistons....for.....$2.5mil
Demarre Carroll to Hawks....for.....$2.5mil
Josh Roberts to Bobcats....for....$2.625mil
Wayne Ellington to Mavs....for...$2.625mil
Greg Steisma to Pelicans....for.....$2.625mil
Mo Williams to Blazers....for....$2.75mil
Chris Copeland to Pacers....for....$2.9mil
Dorell Wright to Thunder....for....$2.9mil
Marco Belinelli to Spurs....for....$2.9mil
Mike Dunleavy to Bulls....for.....$2.9mil
Randy Foye to Denver....for....$2.9mil
Devin Harris to Mavs...for....$2.9mil then $1.3mil
Andre Kirilenko to Brooklyn....for.....$3.183mil
Gary Neal to Bucks....for....$3.5mil
Mareese Speights to Warriors...for....$3.75mil
Samuel Dalembert to Mavs....for.....$3.75mil
Elton Brand to Hawks.....for.....$4mil
Man I've never seen so much ETHER in my yrs of posting. 3rd Degree. I mean this, without a shadow of doubt... proves players signed with other teams for blue light special deals and mitigated roles. We basically signed no one with similar money/roles available. We should have never paid Pablo as much as we did. We should have given him a multi-yr deal based on what his VME slot was, not touching our TPMLE and if he threatens to go back to Euro then Cest La Vie Pablo.
You can start with an explanation of Brooklyn Nets and how they achieved what they did, since they have 5 players on this list at $3.183mil and under. For the record we can sign as many VME deals as allowed under the CBA per roster spaces which is based on number of yrs in the league.
This also shows how careless we were to make the moves we did so early. Did we not learn after the Steve Novak deal from last summer? Apparently not. The Bargs trade was always there for us to do and Masai knew this and was willing to wait until we obliged. David Lee(although Derozan was requested in return) and Caron Butler was the only thing worthwhile being offered for Bargs... Butler an expiring at that.
So what I said still stands...New York is not the DRAW or LURE it's been talked about. For crying out loud when we had money available and major roles up for grabs in 2010, all we walked away with was Amar'e and Felton or did you Black that Out too?
POOF SPLAT KAPOW BLAM CRUSH...BE GONE!