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    Orlando Magic Game Thread: New York Knicks vs Orlando Magic 7:30 pm 1/2/2017 [Game#34]





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    Injury Report

    Orlando Magic New York Knicks
    Evan Fournier - Right heel contusion (QUEST) Kristaps Porzingis - Sore left Achilles (DOUBT)
    Damjan Rudez - Strained right calf (QUEST) Carmelo Anthony - Sore left knee (DAY 2 DAY)
    - Kyle O'Quinn - Flu-like symptoms (DAY 2 DAY)
    - Courtney Lee - Sore right wrist (QUEST)


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    NEW YORK -- The New York Knicks enter the new year under .500 for the fourth straight season and 12 out of the past 15 seasons, excluding the lockout-shortened 2011-12 campaign.

    New York (16-17) will try to get back on track after dropping three straight in a southern road swing when it hosts the Orlando Magic (15-20) Monday at Madison Square Garden. The Knicks defeated the Magic at the Garden, 106-95, on Dec. 22.

    The Knicks surrendered at least 100 points in their recent three-game road slide, losing to the Atlanta Hawks (102-98), the New Orleans Pelicans (104-92) and the Houston Rockets (129-122). New York has the sixth-worst defensive rating in the league.

    "We have three guys (Carmelo Anthony, Kristaps Porzingis and Derrick Rose) on this team that can score with the best of them. If we can just somehow find a way to build defensively, I think we can really make some noise."

    The Knicks could be without two of them on Monday. Porzingis sat out the loss to the Rockets with an Achilles injury. His condition is day-to-day.

    "I don't even know how it happened," Porzingis told the New York Post. "It's a situation that finally got a little sore from playing I guess. I'm not too worried. Just a little soreness. Keep doing treatments, ice all that stuff. It will go away pretty soon."

    Anthony, who is averaging 21.9 points a game, left the Rockets game with a left knee injury. His status against the Magic is uncertain.

    The Knicks could also be without starting guard Courtney Lee, who has missed the last three games with a wrist injury.

    If the Knicks want to make a run for a spot in the Eastern Conference playoffs, this is the month to start. New York's first seven opponents in January have a record of at or below .500 and are a combined 31 games under .500.

    The Magic dropped a 117-104 decision to the Indiana Pacers on Sunday. Nikola Vucevic led Orlando with 18 points off the bench. Jeff Green and Serge Ibaka each added 17 points.

    Ibaka has led the Magic in scoring eight times in the first 35 games of the season. During seven seasons with Oklahoma City, Ibaka led or tied for the team lead in scoring just 10 times.

    They could be missing their leading scorer, guard Evan Fournier, who is averaging 17.8 points. Fournier missed his fourth consecutive game on Sunday with a right heel contusion.

    Orlando is also struggling defensively. It ranks 17th in the league in defensive rating.

    The Pacers shot 50 percent (43 of 86).

    "We didn't play a truly tough-minded defensive game," said Orlando coach Frank Vogel, whose team shot 43.3 percent.

    "It started on the basketball on the perimeter. We weren't very good. On the press, we weren't containing the basketball."

    Vogel said his team has had trouble matching up defensively the past few weeks.

    "Until that turns around and we change our fortunes there, we're not going to be very good."

    (cbssports.com)

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    Thanks for the game thread Rady. Happy New Year to everyone.

    Not sure Melo is playing or should play, he seemed to be laboring in Houston and I think he hurt rather than helped the team, I appreciate him being a warrior and playing with an injury but if he's not moving around 100% at shootaround Horn should rest him.

    Must win game, the next 3 MIL IND and NO are not easy wins. The Magic is the easiest game of our next four opponents and we need a W to get back to .500 and get back that 8th seed.

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    Nice read on GameThread Rady ....

    Please .. dont anyone get optimistic bout this easy Knicks win over a beatup Magic team at the Garden.
    Unless ...we begin n finish the game playing team-defense well and passing the ball around in a uptempo system

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiyaman View Post
    Nice read on GameThread Rady ....

    Please .. dont anyone get optimistic bout this easy Knicks win over a beatup Magic team at the Garden.
    Unless ...we begin n finish the game playing team-defense well and passing the ball around in a uptempo system
    What easy game? This is the Knicks, they're passing the ball well enough and Melo is posting up tonight more instead of just taking that mid-range but the defense is not good once again allowing the Magic to shoot 60% from 3 and 51% overall. That's right they're better shooting 3s than from 2. 67-59 at the half Magic.

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    Melo gets criticism because he gets paid big money and it was only one play but he stayed back to complain about a no call before jogging up the court to defend the play. The Magic scored before he got back to defend and I think it was Meeks who scored so it wasn't his man but Melo the Magic are on pace to score 130 pts get back and don't take plays off.

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    At the end of 3rd qtr .. Knicks 15 assist, Magic 29 assist

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    Quote Originally Posted by tiger0330 View Post
    Melo gets criticism because he gets paid big money and it was only one play but he stayed back to complain about a no call before jogging up the court to defend the play. The Magic scored before he got back to defend and I think it was Meeks who scored so it wasn't his man but Melo the Magic are on pace to score 130 pts get back and don't take plays off.

    Melo gets criticism bc he's an individual-scorer who doesnt have any leadership qualities but forces management to let him call the majority of plays on the court.

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    Its over 18 pt lead about 3 left to play. 5 game losing streak with tougher teams than the Magic next. Too many layups and 3s, we don't have enough athletes and shooters on this team.

    Really think its time to move on from Melo but with that no trade clause it ain't happening. That maybe PJ worst move giving Melo that no trade in exchange for a few million off his max deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiyaman View Post
    At the end of 3rd qtr .. Knicks 15 assist, Magic 29 assist
    Kiya you got to stop with the assists are a problem. They allowed a bottom 5 team in scoring to score 67 pts in the first half after letting the Rox score 69 the game earlier and that was w/o Fournier in the lineup.

    Harden goes off for a career game and Meeks has his season high for the Magic. The Knicks not passing the ball is minor next to how soft they are on D.

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    We loss this game at tip-off .. coach Horn put the worst-worst performance player on the roster in the starting lineup Lance Thomas. Coach Horn defensive strategy gave another opponent 50% fg shooting again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tiger0330 View Post
    Kiya you got to stop with the assists are a problem. They allowed a bottom 5 team in scoring to score 67 pts in the first half after letting the Rox score 69 the game earlier and that was w/o Fournier in the lineup.

    Harden goes off for a career game and Meeks has his season high for the Magic. The Knicks not passing the ball is minor next to how soft they are on D.

    Yep .. Tha's the same lazy defensive strategy we had in the last game and in the past 5 head coaches

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    Quote Originally Posted by tiger0330 View Post
    Its over 18 pt lead about 3 left to play. 5 game losing streak with tougher teams than the Magic next. Too many layups and 3s, we don't have enough athletes and shooters on this team.

    Really think its time to move on from Melo but with that no trade clause it ain't happening. That maybe PJ worst move giving Melo that no trade in exchange for a few million off his max deal.
    I know one way that he would drop that no trade clause.If you sit him on the bench EVERY GAME sooner or later he would want out of town.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiyaman View Post
    Yep .. Tha's the same lazy defensive strategy we had in the last game and in the past 5 head coaches

    Goes to show you its not the coaches fault. It has been the players exspecially Melo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WVKnickfan View Post
    I know one way that he would drop that no trade clause.If you sit him on the bench EVERY GAME sooner or later he would want out of town.
    Trautwig was talking about a play where Melo went iso and showed Horn looking disgusted and walking away when Melo missed the shot. He speculated Horn wasn't happy that Melo called an isolation play.

    Post game Hornacek seemed to have no problem with Melo saying shooters get into slumps. He's a players coach so he's going to stick with Melo and Noah for better or worse. He likes NY and at this stage in his career I'm not sure winning a ring is all that important to him, its his decision ultimately.

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    Hornachek ripped the team afterwards, saying perhaps this group was just incapable of playing defense. He said they're trying but maybe they just can't do it. he went on to say the coaches will have to come up with schemes and exotic traps to do something. Hearing what his coach said, Melo acted indignant saying something about it sounds like the coach is given up on them after only 33 games.

    love what JH is saying. Melo just doesn't mind losing. dropping 8/10 and missing playoffs for 3 years and Melo doesn't seem to mind. Our only hope is for JH to make life miserable for Melo that he accepts a trade. It's time to accept reality and rebuild. This means lottery and making the right selections.... hopefully we can deal Melo and Tose and get something of value.

    also, JH has to lighten up in the minutes he is playing KP.... we can't burn the kid out and risk long term injury trying to win now. There's nothing to gain playing KP over 30 minutes hoping to win 43 games instead of 36.

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