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    After arguably their worst loss of the season Monday, Knicks coach Jeff Hornacek lowered the boom, delivering his most damning assessment of his team’s defensive woes, admitting perhaps this roster is “not capable’’ of playing better defense.
    It used to be the Knicks couldn’t beat the winning teams. Now they can’t beat anybody and Hornacek’s frustration bubbled over after their fifth straight loss — a 115-103 crusher to Orlando at the Garden.

    Ten days ago, the Knicks ripped the Magic at the Garden but that team has gone missing along with its defense, which allowed Orlando to shoot 15-of-31 from the 3-point line.
    “I don’t think our guys aren’t trying — maybe they’re not capable,’’ Hornacek said. “I don’t know. That’s what we have to figure out. Maybe play some other guys and mix the lineup somehow.
    “We have to find someone to play some defense. You can’t come out at the beginning and their first three baskets are 3s. You have to have better pride than that. … I think they’re trying — they must not be good enough defensively.’’
    Hornacek suggested the coaching staff may need to come up with new, tricky schemes to compensate.
    “We might figure out ways to trap,’’ Hornacek said. “Coaches are going to have to meet and try to figure it out, defensively, what is going to help us out.’’
    The Knicks defense ranks sixth-worst in the NBA and turned a career reserve Jodie Meeks into James Harden Lite as the Magic (16-20) cruised all night. In losing eight of their last 10, the Knicks have dropped to two games under .500 at 16-18.
    Playing on a sore left knee, Carmelo Anthony was sluggish on both ends, continuing a recent slump and finished with 19 points on 6-of-17 shooting.
    Anthony appeared taken aback when he heard Hornacek mentioned the club may not be capable of being better on defense.
    “I hope he ain’t giving up — what 33 games,’’ Anthony said. “I might as well just pack my stuff now — giving up already.’’
    Anthony declined further comment.
    “I’d rather talk to Jeff about that — see where he’s coming from,’’ he said.
    Hornacek also questioned the team’s toughness, bemoaning the Magic “ripped rebounds’’ out of his players’ hands and said the club may need to “get in the weight room a little more.’’
    “They went and took it from us,’’ Hornacek said. “That’s toughness.’’
    Returning from his West Coast sabbatical, team president Phil Jackson was back in his customary eighth-row seat after missing the previous 3-game homestand and what he saw in 2017’s first game must have had him longing for Los Angeles.


    Orlando racked up 67 first-half points and 92 after three quarters with the Knicks defense inactive as ever. After allowing 21 3s in giving up 129 points to the Rockets on Saturday, the Magic feasted from the 3-point line in the first half alone, making 8-of-11 3-point shots (72.7 percent).
    Meeks made a rare start and drilled 6-of-7 3-pointers for 23 points. He was averaging 8.3 points on 38 percent shooting entering the night.
    The only excuse is the Knicks played their second straight game without Kristaps Porzingis, nursing a sore Achilles tendon. But the Magic were without swingman stud, Evan Fournier (heel).
    After a soft first half, the Knicks’ defense came out for the third quarter and immediately allowed Aaron Gordon to crank an open 3. Gordon had a big second half to finish with 22 as the Knicks fell behind by 17 points in the third quarter.
    “Whatever’s messed up can easily be fixed — it’s fixable,’’ Derrick Rose said, countering Hornacek’s remark.
    After Orlando point guard Elfrid Payton drove for a high-arcing banked layup with 7:49 left to put Orlando up 16, the Knicks called a timeout and Brandon Jennings threw the ball high in the air. Hornacek looked exasperated on the sidelines all evening.
    On the 3-point defense, Hornacek said the club is “not closing out quick enough” and “helping when you shouldn’t, taking chances.’’
    “Our guys were scrambling little bit and we just didn’t get out to them,’’ Hornacek said.
    Anthony was 3-of-8 from the field in the first half and two steps behind on defense. Orlando’s Serge Ibaka scored on two straight possessions against Anthony, who lost the former OKC big man inside to allow a layup and then faied to track him at the 3-point line.
    “We got to keep working and get back to the basics,’’ Anthony said. “Sometimes — I’ve been in this league a long time — you have to take a step back and go back to the drawing board.’’

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    Missing KP hurt the interior D badly. Need to get him back, let's see how it goes when KP is back and CLee. Melo is hopeless as a defender.

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    yeah, this was probably the most disappointing loss of the season so far. i was so ready to go all in with this squad, but now it's starting to look like the same old crap again. i'm not throwing in the towel just yet though. one thing's for sure though when it comes to the very near future. if they had this much trouble with the magic tonight, they're going to have their hands full with the bucks over the next two games. this did not at all look like the same team that won 7 out of 10 games, or whatever it was, not too long ago. they're scoring enough points to win games, for the most part. hopefully they've finally gotten it through their heads that simply trying to outscore their opponents is not going to work most of the time. this is going to be a rough month.

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    Yeah.... ORL played last night and still had way more energy than NY.... and game was at MSG. Knicks are 0-6 on second game of back-2-back (and have 3 of those coming up). I was just hoping for 48 wins and a first round playoff victory. Not asking for too much. Oh well.

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    In our last 10 games our poor defense gave every opponent above 100 pts plus 8 wins ..
    Our record is 2-8 and we were held under a 100 pts 4 times in last 10 games ..

    Phoenix 113
    GS 103
    Denver 127
    Indiana 111
    Orlando 95
    Boston 119
    Atlanta 102
    NO 104
    Houston 129
    Orlando 115

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    Quote Originally Posted by WVKnickfan View Post
    I know one way that he would drop that no trade clause.If you sit him on the bench EVERY GAME sooner or later he would want out of town.
    well that's not happening... if he agrees to a trade , it will be on Me-Lo's terms... meaning the acquiring team will have to bump up his salary... he is vastly underpaid at 24m, as the new cba allows for upto 40m for 6years...
    as to where he mite go/who will want him... with every game he plays, his value goes down... maybe Doc will take him... I don't see another contender /near contender wanting him... he won't put a near contender over the top, and he mite destroy a contender's chemistry ... we just mite be stuck with a getting older by the day Me-Lo

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    Quote Originally Posted by paris401 View Post
    well that's not happening... if he agrees to a trade , it will be on Me-Lo's terms... meaning the acquiring team will have to bump up his salary... he is vastly underpaid at 24m, as the new cba allows for upto 40m for 6years...
    as to where he mite go/who will want him... with every game he plays, his value goes down... maybe Doc will take him... I don't see another contender /near contender wanting him... he won't put a near contender over the top, and he mite destroy a contender's chemistry ... we just mite be stuck with a getting older by the day Me-Lo
    yeah, you can't give Melo away unless you get an asset for the future. If anything, his presence on the court allows KP the freedom to develop his offensive game. That, in and of itself, is invaluable. Otherwise, teams
    can focus their defensive pressure on KPand he might develop bad habbits.

    the Knicks are banged up right now. That's. OT an excuse, and it was a major reason why many tempered expectations.... Noah hurt early, now Rose and Melo and KP and Lee.... basically, the entire starting 5. Hard to play at your peak and also hard to develop chemistry.

    word is NY working on a trade (most likely for a Tony allen type)....

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    Anthony appeared taken aback when he heard Hornacek mentioned the club may not be capable of being better on defense.
    “I hope he ain’t giving up — what 33 games,’’ Anthony said. “I might as well just pack my stuff now — giving up already.’’
    You kidding me!! He saying Hornacek giving up? when Melo still hasn't showed up this season.Melo will never change!!

    GREATEST KNICK EVER!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mafra View Post
    yeah, you can't give Melo away unless you get an asset for the future. If anything, his presence on the court allows KP the freedom to develop his offensive game. That, in and of itself, is invaluable. Otherwise, teams
    can focus their defensive pressure on KPand he might develop bad habbits.

    the Knicks are banged up right now. That's. OT an excuse, and it was a major reason why many tempered expectations.... Noah hurt early, now Rose and Melo and KP and Lee.... basically, the entire starting 5. Hard to play at your peak and also hard to develop chemistry.

    word is NY working on a trade (most likely for a Tony allen type)....
    ESPN said PJ Tucker for Quinn, WHG or Kuz. Surprised that there's no buzz about bringing up Randle on a 10 day. 10 days start tomorrow.

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    Anthony appeared taken aback when he heard Hornacek mentioned the club may not be capable of being better on defense.
    “I hope he ain’t giving up — what 33 games,’’ Anthony said. “I might as well just pack my stuff now — giving up already.’’
    Quote Originally Posted by WVKnickfan View Post
    You kidding me!! He saying Hornacek giving up? when Melo still hasn't showed up this season.Melo will never change!!
    I recall the first week of the 2013-14 Knicks season Carmelo Anthony announced he was giving up the option on his final year contract to go FA in 2014 offseason .. Melo quit on the Knicks in less than 33 days of the season, plus Melo did the same thing to the Denver Nuggets at the start of the 2010-11 season.
    When the Denver Nuggets were promoting the Melo-trade in Nov. 2010, there were only one NBA team interest in trading for Melo the NJ Nets .. then the Nets said no thank you to the Melo-trade.
    In the 2014 offseason no NBA team were interested in signing Melo above $12M per.
    HINT: The Knicks franchise player Carmelo Anthony already went through FIVE Knicks head coaches (Dantoni/Woodson/Fisher/Rambis/Horn), and 3 GM in 7 seasons.
    What NBA GM and NBA head-coach want their franchise to trade for Carmelo Anthony???

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