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    Default Let the youngsters play

    Its no secret that the young ballers have played really good this year exspecially the 2nd unit.Reggie said it best tonight when he said the Knicks brass should let them play and see what you got.He likes them a lot and frankly I do to!! Put these kids out there and let them grow together!! The knicks have potential in these kids but they won't get better by sitting on the bench.I say put them on the court,give them more minutes and turn them loose.

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    The emergence of Kuz, WHG and Holiday make this season a success.. those 3 are players.... KP & WHG alone gives you hope for the future. Man, had PJax accepted Crowder instead of draft picks for TC, and if Baker turns out to be a baller.... Phil would've worked magic out of nothing but 1 draft pick in 3 years, Melo & TC (only real assets NY had when he took over)....

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    Yes exactly and lets face it the vets in Melo,Rose and Noah you never know what you are going to get from game to game.All three are on their downside of their careers so why wait? Yes you can still play them but the Knicks have to look torwards the future and our young ballers show me that there is a bright future with this core of guys.

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    On the Knicks roster we have two agendas plus a MSG thing.

    One agenda is when you play for the Knicks in your contract year, you have to try and justify a bigger payday by showing signs you can still compete at a high level by showing your skill set. If you win games that's a plus, Dolan or some other GM is going to have to pay you. This is the in thing to do when your franchise has no desire or way of winning a Championship....it just becomes a business to you to.

    The other agenda is this, you are in your rookie contract you just want to win, you can't make anymore money this season, so you are going to do what the coach says to get playing time.

    As for rookies for the Knicks , when they play at MSG they tend to play timid compared to when they play on the road.

    Everybody doesn't have "IT" when playing for the Knicks, but opposing teams have nothing to lose or fear when playing on a stage like MSG!

    How many no names have come to MSG against the Knicks and we made them loo like a stud player.
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    You really want to throw in the towel on this season already? There's a lot of games left and the general rule is you dont't give auditions to your rookies until you're mathematically eliminated. You got to play Rose to see if he can hold up for an entire season, he might be the best option PJ has to sign at PG, Melo needs to be showcased if you're going to try to trade him, I do agree about WHG, if Horn has any sense Noah backs up WHG or Quinn permanently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tiger0330 View Post
    You really want to throw in the towel on this season already? There's a lot of games left and the general rule is you dont't give auditions to your rookies until you're mathematically eliminated. You got to play Rose to see if he can hold up for an entire season, he might be the best option PJ has to sign at PG, Melo needs to be showcased if you're going to try to trade him, I do agree about WHG, if Horn has any sense Noah backs up WHG or Quinn permanently.
    Actually you never should run a team by scoreboard watching, it's the very reason we're in the predicament we're in today. Stephen A. Smith says the current talk is probably Melo for Kevin Love and Melo would waive his no trade clause to be traded to Cleveland. This team should not play for this season by trying to eek into the playoffs to get steam rolled by Cleveland only to be back to square one of nowhere. We're not making the playoffs anyway and any team that does being several games under .500 shouldn't be allowed to in all honesty.

    I'd do the Cleveland deal if they gave us Liggins and a future 1rst round pick

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    Quote Originally Posted by Broadway View Post
    Actually you never should run a team by scoreboard watching, it's the very reason we're in the predicament we're in today. Stephen A. Smith says the current talk is probably Melo for Kevin Love and Melo would waive his no trade clause to be traded to Cleveland. This team should not play for this season by trying to eek into the playoffs to get steam rolled by Cleveland only to be back to square one of nowhere. We're not making the playoffs anyway and any team that does being several games under .500 shouldn't be allowed to in all honesty.

    I'd do the Cleveland deal if they gave us Liggins and a future 1rst round pick
    Whats the deal KLove Liggins and a 1st for Melo? That would be a no brainer for the Knicks. I doubt Melo commands that much in a trade though, I was thinking a more realistic trade would be to the Clips for Jamal/Rivers and a 1st. I wonder how Doc would feel about trading his son? The Clips trade doesn't make us that much better if at all but you move on from Melo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tiger0330 View Post
    Whats the deal KLove Liggins and a 1st for Melo? That would be a no brainer for the Knicks. I doubt Melo commands that much in a trade though, I was thinking a more realistic trade would be to the Clips for Jamal/Rivers and a 1st. I wonder how Doc would feel about trading his son? The Clips trade doesn't make us that much better if at all but you move on from Melo.

    That's the gist of a deal I'd welcome but Stephen A. says the Knicks want to move Melo badly. Clippers really aren't an ideal trading partner at the moment and I don't think Doc is a Melo fan based on how he replied 2yrs ago on the idea trading Blake for Melo. Lebron is also barking loudly in the media for his organization to make a move and this isn't a coincidence.

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    Speaking of young talent the Sixers signed Chasson Randle to his second 10 day. I don't know how many times I said he can flat out score. The Knicks might still be able to pick him up, the Sixers might not keep him because he's more a scoring guard and not a PG and doesn't do other things besides scoring.

    With the way he played for the Philadelphia 76ers thus far, Chasson Randle earned himself a second 10-Day contract. In his first stint, Randle averaged 6.5 points on 57.1 percent shooting from the field and 60.0 percent shooting from three. Randle provides a scoring threat that other guards for the Sixers simply do not.

    During his time with the West Chester Knicks, Chasson Randle proved that he can flat out score the ball. In games for the Knicks, Randle averaged 20.7 points per game on 42.2 percent shooting from the field and 40.2 percent shooting from three. Those numbers put him with the top 20 scorers in the D-League this season.

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    After Lebron calling out people last night, following the loss to NO, it's really intriguing to think about what's happening right now.

    Melo is flat-out balling, showcasing his talents to all potential suitor. You know Lebron is already in his ear recruiting Melo.... if Lebron wants Melo, his friend, CLE owner will do what his star player demands.

    However, I'm not sure Love is the target:

    I found this rumor:

    "The latest NBA trade rumors are buzzing about a possible seven-asset swap between the Cleveland Cavaliers, New York Knicks, and Denver Nuggets. The scenario that is being debated online would see Carmelo Anthony and Jameer Nelson joining the Cavs, while the Knicks would add Kenneth Faried, Iman Shumpert, and a 2017 first-round draft pick (from Denver). The Nuggets would round out this three-team transaction by obtaining Kevin Love and a second-round draft choice from New York."


    Kevin Faired makes more sense. He's a year younger, much cheaper, and he fits well with KP. Plus, the DEN pick should be about 15 picks higher.

    Liggins, or Shumpert, allows NYK to bring back a perimeter defender.

    In the offseason, sign a guy like PJ Tucker....

    You'll get 2 top-15 draft picks this year, plus you have plenty of cap space.... so, if you want to try to be competitive next season you have the option of re-signing Rose (or another top free agent).... or, you just roll with the youth and collect another lottery pick and then Start looking at free agents in 1018 and 2019.

    Check out this starting 5.... a penetrating PG, the outside touch of KP, complimented by 3 rugged defenders:

    Rose
    Lee
    Tucker
    KP
    Faired

    Then a bench of 2 draft picks, with Shumpert/Liggins, Holiday, WHG, Kuz, Thomas, Baker, Plumlee.

    This is a "team" with balance....
    Rebounding, outside shooting....

    Also, since we already have Lee and Holiday, perhaps we seek another player other than the Liggins/Shumpert.... Or, perhaps we also look to move both Lee and Rose for something else (Rubio?).

    Imagine having:

    Rubio
    Lee or Liggins or Shump
    Tucker
    KP
    Faired.

    We have options.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WVKnickfan View Post
    Yes exactly and lets face it the vets in Melo,Rose and Noah you never know what you are going to get from game to game.All three are on their downside of their careers so why wait? Yes you can still play them but the Knicks have to look torwards the future and our young ballers show me that there is a bright future with this core of guys.
    so the plan is to have $60m of
    salary sitting on the bench??

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    Kevin Faired Liggins, or Shumpert... for Me-Lo... WOW... which one makes the 20m per year that would make this deal happen...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Broadway View Post
    Actually you never should run a team by scoreboard watching, it's the very reason we're in the predicament we're in today. Stephen A. Smith says the current talk is probably Melo for Kevin Love and Melo would waive his no trade clause to be traded to Cleveland. This team should not play for this season by trying to eek into the playoffs to get steam rolled by Cleveland only to be back to square one of nowhere. We're not making the playoffs anyway and any team that does being several games under .500 shouldn't be allowed to in all honesty.

    I'd do the Cleveland deal if they gave us Liggins and a future 1rst round pick

    Stephen A. Smith also said Phil should go back to LA where he belong, bc Phil is only in NY to collect the money" .. the story on Melo waiving his no-clause contract to go to Cavs are analyst sport talk to boost trade gossip heading toward the Feb. deadline .. Dolan is not finish with Melo in NY.
    Plus Lebron added Korver to the guards backcourt for perimeter scoring alongside of Kyrie.
    Lebron put two years of tutoring Love performance to give a double-double, picks, screens, and box-out a game. A hustle performance Lebron knows he will not get from Melo night after night.

    The 2016-17 Knicks has another group of decent young b.ball players on the roster in Plumlee/Willy/Kuz/NDour/Baker .. Last season Knicks had KP/Grant/Galloway/Seraphin ..
    One of the biggest flaws in the growth of Knicks organization has always been keeping and developing young players.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paris401 View Post
    Kevin Faired Liggins, or Shumpert... for Me-Lo... WOW... which one makes the 20m per year that would make this deal happen...

    Melo on CLE, Faired and Shumpert to NY, Love to DEN:

    Congratulations on a successful trade
    Due to Denver being under the cap and choosing to invoke the Cap Room rule, Denver could not go over the cap by more than $100,000 of post-trade Team Salary, which did happen here.
    Due to Cleveland being over the cap and having a post-trade Team Salary over the Tax Threshold, the 25% trade rule is invoked. Cleveland could not receive more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here.
    Due to New York being over the cap and having a post-trade Team Salary under the Tax Threshold and trading out more than $19.6M in salaries, the 25% trade rule is invoked. New York could not receive more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here.
    This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.

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    DEN sends NY a 1st rounder.... CLE sends DEN a 1st, NY sends DEN a 2nd....

    I'm sure CLE figures out a way to get Nelson too.

    Problem with this deal is I doubt PJax wants Shump back and NYK might feel Faired and a #1 isn't enough for Melo.

    So, how badly does PJ want Melo out of NY? Faired an So DEN's 1st and a CLE 1st.... taking back Shump.... that's probably as good as it'll get (bc of Melo's no-trade and trade kicker).
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