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    I agree that winning any more games is toxic to our lottery efforts, but still, watching Porzingis play so poorly recently has bummed me out.

    At least watching Porzingis play well last night we can somewhat convince ourselves he may be the future of this team. Melo playing like he did last night might actually give him offseason trade value. Rose is a wash since I think he is gone at the end of the season regardless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by htr10 View Post
    I agree that winning any more games is toxic to our lottery efforts, but still, watching Porzingis play so poorly recently has bummed me out.

    At least watching Porzingis play well last night we can somewhat convince ourselves he may be the future of this team. Melo playing like he did last night might actually give him offseason trade value. Rose is a wash since I think he is gone at the end of the season regardless.
    Alexy Shved and Andrea Bargnani were end of season hall of fame performers oh how quickly we forget the good ole days...lol

    I take absolutely nothing away from these games... I concluded the assessing of this team 50-70gms ago. They can't even lose games graciously when needed. Detroit had been floundering it was a perfect time limit guys minutes, bring them off the bench, or DNP them

    GMs around the league already know who Melo is(they either value him or they don't), a meaningless win against Detroit will not sway them 1 iota

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    The only slight glimmer of light, #kporzee and WHG play fairly well together but once again emotions have to be reigned in. It's end of season stats at the worst time of the yr, with little to play for

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    Yeah, we should be DNPing Melo vs DET, not SA. A few meaningless wins could crippled this franchise. 2 years ago 2 wins meant KP and not KAT. 10 years ago, consecutive seasons of winning a few games late meant Gallinari and Hill (and not Westbrook and Curry).

    Bottom line: Picking in too 6 and you're pretty much guaranteed a franchise cornerstone piece. If, perchance, we slip and fall in the 7-10 range.... we'll, that could mean having to settle for a Gallinari and miss out on a Westbrook.

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    The triangle was working yesterday. Guys were moving the ball for the best shot yesterday, on some plays guys were passing up wide open looks for even higher % shots under the basket. Phil may decide that fine tuning next year may be better than a complete re-boot of the roster where Horn has to start teaching the triangle all over again to new players.

    I can see his point, if he blows up the roster and decides to tank, there goes his legacy, his final two years will be a waste except to lay the groundwork for the next GM. Tank and he'll probably go down in Knicks history as the GM with not only the worst single season record but the all-time worst record for any GM in club history.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mafra View Post
    Yeah, we should be DNPing Melo vs DET, not SA. A few meaningless wins could crippled this franchise. 2 years ago 2 wins meant KP and not KAT. 10 years ago, consecutive seasons of winning a few games late meant Gallinari and Hill (and not Westbrook and Curry).

    Bottom line: Picking in too 6 and you're pretty much guaranteed a franchise cornerstone piece. If, perchance, we slip and fall in the 7-10 range.... we'll, that could mean having to settle for a Gallinari and miss out on a Westbrook.
    Just as there are best case scenarios, there are also worst case scenarios such as a team in the 6 to 10 range moving up that isn't us(Think Cleveland over the past 5-6yrs). As in we get leaped over or bumped down and in this case we don't want to get bumped down any further than necessary. It's imperative we finish as high as we possibly can.

    Yes it's nice to know of the possibilities of winning the lottery with slimmest of chance...we don't need to lessen it but know if we don't the ugly possibilities remain too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tiger0330 View Post
    The triangle was working yesterday. Guys were moving the ball for the best shot yesterday, on some plays guys were passing up wide open looks for even higher % shots under the basket. Phil may decide that fine tuning next year may be better than a complete re-boot of the roster where Horn has to start teaching the triangle all over again to new players.

    I can see his point, if he blows up the roster and decides to tank, there goes his legacy, his final two years will be a waste except to lay the groundwork for the next GM. Tank and he'll probably go down in Knicks history as the GM with not only the worst single season record but the all-time worst record for any GM in club history.
    So are you saying it easier to teach "old dogs" new tricks? I'd reason it would be easier to teach players who haven't had habits set in. Although one could argue is the triangle a "new trick"...lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Broadway View Post
    Alexy Shved and Andrea Bargnani were end of season hall of fame performers oh how quickly we forget the good ole days...lol

    I take absolutely nothing away from these games... I concluded the assessing of this team 50-70gms ago. They can't even lose games graciously when needed. Detroit had been floundering it was a perfect time limit guys minutes, bring them off the bench, or DNP them

    GMs around the league already know who Melo is(they either value him or they don't), a meaningless win against Detroit will not sway them 1 iota
    I think it's funny to say, but I seriously have my doubts that all the GMs in this league put the same perspective into their decision making that you do.

    It may be meaningless at this point in the season, but watching Porzingis play well is still a lot more fun in the short term than watching him get more fouls than shots made.

    That said, it's better if we just lose out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by htr10 View Post
    I think it's funny to say, but I seriously have my doubts that all the GMs in this league put the same perspective into their decision making that you do.
    I'd put all of Kiyaman's posts on the table and say with absolute confidence not 1 GM in this league is looking at a single game Melo is playing at this point in the season and hedging on his trade value.... They know what he does and doesn't bring to the table.

    I do agree with you 100% in that not all GMs see Melo's value as I do...

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    melo's actual trade value, however anyone sees it, is kind of irrelevant at this point. Given phil's poor trade skills in recent history regarding the knicks, what matters more than anything at this point is how GMs around the league figure they can scam phil. they know he desperately wants to get rid of melo. how little they can give away in return... that's what matters more than melo's ACTUAL value.
    this is all about how phil will be able to negotiate the trade. based on his history with the knicks to this point, i don't have much confidence in the dude. i get the feeling we're going to get fleeced, and phil's ego will never allow him to admit it, AND he will be confident that he did the right thing no matter what.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tiger0330 View Post
    The triangle was working yesterday. Guys were moving the ball for the best shot yesterday, on some plays guys were passing up wide open looks for even higher % shots under the basket. Phil may decide that fine tuning next year may be better than a complete re-boot of the roster where Horn has to start teaching the triangle all over again to new players.

    I can see his point, if he blows up the roster and decides to tank, there goes his legacy, his final two years will be a waste except to lay the groundwork for the next GM. Tank and he'll probably go down in Knicks history as the GM with not only the worst single season record but the all-time worst record for any GM in club history.
    Hornachek just stated that the main goal of the offseason is to upgrade defensively..... obviously, signing Lee and Noah and retaining Thomas and KOQ didn't really do the trick.

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    "I think if you look at our defense this year, we can use some more defensive players," Hornacek told Ian Begley of ESPN. "[Management] will look at that. [General manager] Steve [Mills] and [president] Phil [Jackson] and those guys will look at whatever can help us out. We know we need some help there."

    The Knicks allow opponents to score 19 points per night from the free-throw line -- the sixth highest total in the NBA. New York has also given up the highest amount of offensive rebounds and second-chance points per game, in addition to the fifth-most points in the paint.

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    I love the concept of defensive players like this is the NFL and not a game where the same idiots play both ends of the court. Maybe the NBA will allot us 100 timeouts a game so we can change players every time the ball passes mid court.

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    Quote Originally Posted by htr10 View Post
    I love the concept of defensive players like this is the NFL and not a game where the same idiots play both ends of the court. Maybe the NBA will allot us 100 timeouts a game so we can change players every time the ball passes mid court.
    This made me laugh. Great quote htr10.

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    Michael Kay is blasting NYK for winning last night. The team dropped from 4th to 6th.... said if teams like GSW, SA, CLE rest stars for good of franchise (to win in post season) then NYK should do the same.... rest Melo and rose for good of franchise (its future).

    Rose walked away from NYK for a game... went MIA... So why should NYK help him boost free agency value by playing well last 10 games?

    Melo and Rose had 70 games and they let team down... so why should nYK play those 2 the final 10 games?

    PHI openly tanked 3 entire seasons.... why can't NY just tank 10 games?

    Didn't they learn 2 years ago?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mafra View Post
    Michael Kay is blasting NYK for winning last night. The team dropped from 4th to 6th.... said if teams like GSW, SA, CLE rest stars for good of franchise (to win in post season) then NYK should do the same.... rest Melo and rose for good of franchise (its future).

    Rose walked away from NYK for a game... went MIA... So why should NYK help him boost free agency value by playing well last 10 games?

    Melo and Rose had 70 games and they let team down... so why should nYK play those 2 the final 10 games?

    PHI openly tanked 3 entire seasons.... why can't NY just tank 10 games?

    Didn't they learn 2 years ago?
    I think Silver's memo about resting players has something to do with it along with this being a home game and the MSG ticket prices being the highest in the NBA. Customers should expect to see the teams best players for the money they're paying and no matter what the standings are, it's always nice to see the home team win. I'd love to see the team tank and not get meaningless wins but the reality is fans at the Garden are paying top dollar to see Melo and Rose not Baker and Kuz.

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