2017 Summer League

paris401

Starter
WOW... is it me, or do we appear to B L O W .... move over 76er's.... the knicks are going to show u how to really tank....
 

Broadway

All Star
WOW... is it me, or do we appear to B L O W .... move over 76er's.... the knicks are going to show u how to really tank....


No we're not, we're going to feature #kporzee and because the East has shifted West some, he's going to put us on his back and help us win 35gms fighting for the 8th seed all yr.
 

Kiyaman

Legend
The triangle offense is for LOSERS!
Our poor Knicks coaching-staff got BLOWED-OUT of todays SL game by the Pistons grabbing a 10 pt lead in the first quarter, then a 19 pt lead in the 2nd quarter, then a 30 pt lead in the 3rd quarter.
Knicks 78 - Pistons 103 ....
When we FIRED Phil .. we were supposed to FIRE the entire coaching staff Phil hired.
Hornacek n Rambis got to be FIRED before training camp!

And for those who are unable to watch, Knicks have run some triangle .. Offense too predictable and standard when they run it .. we started off the game with that corner entry pass of the triangle and it got stolen by Kennard...With Artist and Dotson in the game at the same time, Knicks need to spread the offense to open up the paint as its too crowded in there a times .. That was one of the reasons Randle struggled handling the ball in game one .. No one came up to set a pick to help him out .. Still no excuse, as an NBA player, you still shouldn't be getting ripped as soon as you cross half court.
 

Kiyaman

Legend
No we're not, we're going to feature #kporzee and because the East has shifted West some, he's going to put us on his back and help us win 35gms fighting for the 8th seed all yr.

Where are all those clueless rookies we had on the roster last season, they all belong on the SL roster?
They all perform like they were D.League suspects last season, even KP poor clueless performance.
Baker/Randle/Kuz/WHG/Plumlee/KP .. all need to be on the SL roster !!!

Frank Nitty seen what we were working with and Frank did the same thing Noah did .. pull out with a injury.
The Knicks coaching-staff need to be put out to rest in some grave yard.
 

Broadway

All Star
Where are all those clueless rookies we had on the roster last season, they all belong on the SL roster?
They all perform like they were D.League suspects last season, even KP poor clueless performance.
Baker/Randle/Kuz/WHG/Plumlee/KP .. all need to be on the SL roster !!!

Frank Nitty seen what we were working with and Frank did the same thing Noah did .. pull out with a injury.
The Knicks coaching-staff need to be put out to rest in some grave yard.


Ky I was being facetious as usual. I'm not expecting much more from #kporzee other than what he's showed us so far. There's an element of overratedness to him
 

mafra

Legend
Ky I was being facetious as usual. I'm not expecting much more from #kporzee other than what he's showed us so far. There's an element of overratedness to him

KP went from being 2-3 years away from contributing (was the cry when his name was announced) to now being overrated 24 months later? Odd.

I believe he'll continue to steadily improve his game.... where he ends up, somewhere between borderline all star to borderline NBA top 10 player....
Well, time will tell.
 

and1

Rotation player
KP went from being 2-3 years away from contributing (was the cry when his name was announced) to now being overrated 24 months later? Odd.

I believe he'll continue to steadily improve his game.... where he ends up, somewhere between borderline all star to borderline NBA top 10 player....
Well, time will tell.

yeah, he went from 'a work in progress' to 'let's trade him now despite what we've seen he can do on the court' pretty fast, huh? this is what hype does to the mind of the sports fan. and then there were those silly 'porzingod' videos. a rookie comes into the league looking a bit better than people had originally assessed, and if he doesn't deliver some kind of championship appearance within a year or two then obviously he's really not that good after all.
here today, gone today.
but it's kind of funny too.
 

tiger0330

Legend
yeah, he went from 'a work in progress' to 'let's trade him now despite what we've seen he can do on the court' pretty fast, huh? this is what hype does to the mind of the sports fan. and then there were those silly 'porzingod' videos. a rookie comes into the league looking a bit better than people had originally assessed, and if he doesn't deliver some kind of championship appearance within a year or two then obviously he's really not that good after all.
here today, gone today.
but it's kind of funny too.
To be fair, PJ was looking to trade him for a couple of first rounders and a young player like Marcus Smart or Kelly Olynyk. That would have given you two firsts this year and a rotation player, so you may have had a 3 young players starting and a first next year. Die hard Knicks fans may have said WTF about trading KP but the Knicks could have done overnight what it looks like it's going to take years to do now. Those rumors about what the Celts or Suns were willing to give up were way overdone, so KP wasn't close to being traded.

I don't think we're going to have to wait to see what his KP's potential is going to be, the Knicks pretty much are committing to building around him so expect his usage rate to go up and hopefully his production goes up as well. Let's see if KP can show a glimmer of being a franchise player this season.
 

Kiyaman

Legend
yeah, he went from 'a work in progress' to 'let's trade him now despite what we've seen he can do on the court' pretty fast, huh? this is what hype does to the mind of the sports fan. and then there were those silly 'porzingod' videos. a rookie comes into the league looking a bit better than people had originally assessed, and if he doesn't deliver some kind of championship appearance within a year or two then obviously he's really not that good after all.
here today, gone today.
but it's kind of funny too.

Its not funny .. KP played in close to 140 games averaging 30 minute per game in two seasons. There are players who been in the league 3 to 4 years and havn't receive that much playing-time (Draymond Green did not receive half the amount of playing-time KP receive his first two seasons in the NBA), plus 70% of the games KP played in were losses.
Being able to play basketball is one thing .. playing relentless hustle-basketball on both sides of the court for the WIN is something we haven't seen KP do in two season. Blame it on the Knicks coaching development!
 

tiger0330

Legend
Nice start by Fultz 5 pts. Nice up and under for his first 2, nice leading bounce pass resulting in 2 foul shots and a 3. Knicks in summer league suck, maybe this will be a good game.
 

Broadway

All Star
Nice start by Fultz 5 pts. Nice up and under for his first 2, nice leading bounce pass resulting in 2 foul shots and a 3. Knicks in summer league suck, maybe this will be a good game.


Saw early on why Ainge didn't want to give up Brown in trades
 
Kornet got a two-way contract with Knicks

My understanding of a 2-way contract means we will be paying Kornet an NBA salary even if he plays in the G League and that he essentially counts as a 16th or 17th player on our roster and not towards the traditional 15 player NBA roster limit.

Or, at least that's what I've taken away from reading online about it. Not clear how 2-way contracts count toward the salary cap though. Long story short, I like Kornet's upside and this seems like a smart move. He is a good shooter and a shot blocker, no idea if he can play real defense though.
 
Watching the replay of this afternoon's Summer League game. I'm now good with Ntilikina not playing with this Summer League squad. They are kind of a mess.

Happy to hear that Ntilikina started working with Hornacek between games yesterday. That seems like it could be more productive.
 

Broadway

All Star
Fultz looks great as a "scorer", figured he'd be the best guard in this draft but of course it's early many more prospects yet to see.
 

tiger0330

Legend
Posting my first ESPN Insider article about a 2 way contract. It's buried in the article but 2 way contracts don't count against the cap.

That was quick that they decided to sign Kornet to a 2 way. A bonus with him is he showed he can put the ball on the deck and is just not a catch and shoot 3pt shooter. I would be surprised if an undrafted player who can stroke it like him can play stout D, scouting report has to say lacks lateral quickness, leaping ability and quick twitch athleticism otherwise he would have been drafted.

Relatively quick CBA negotiations gave the NBA and its players plenty of time to make tweaks and adjustments to improve league operations going forward.

One of those improvements is a new category of player. With the further growth and development of the NBA D-League as a gateway to the NBA, the new CBA creates a hybrid player who exists in both leagues: the two-way player.

So how will this work? And what does it mean for future team building? Breakout Dallas Mavericks guard Yogi Ferrell -- and his short stint with the Brooklyn Nets -- provides a good example.

The basics

Of course, seeing NBA players on D-League assignments is nothing new. The previous CBA allowed NBA clubs to assign their players to the D-League at will as long as the player had fewer than three years of experience. Those players remained on regular NBA contracts and continued to receive their full NBA salaries while on assignment. They joined D-League rosters that were composed mostly of players who were signed directly by the D-League.

The new CBA adds two-way players to the mix.

A two-way player is the converse of an NBA player on a D-League assignment, who is, by definition, an NBA player. A two-way player is primarily a D-League player but can be called up by the parent NBA team on temporary assignments.

A two-way player's time on an NBA roster is limited. He can be with the NBA team for training camp and for up to 45 days of the regular season. Once the 45-day limit is reached, the player cannot play on the NBA team for the remainder of that season unless his contract is converted from a two-way contract to a full NBA contract. The 45 days include days during which the player is on the active roster for an NBA game, travels with the team or participates in team activities such as practices and workouts. They don't include days before or after the D-League season, when the player is on the NBA team's inactive list.

Two-way contracts will provide a number of advantages to the league and its players starting next season (when the D-League will also get a name change to the G-League). From the players' standpoint, two-way contracts create additional jobs. Teams now will have two additional roster spots reserved exclusively for two-way players, bumping the maximum roster size to 17. Two-way players also receive higher salaries, which makes the D-League more competitive with international leagues when recruiting talent.

From the team standpoint, two-way contracts are more cost-effective than full NBA contracts -- the player receives an NBA salary only when he's on assignment with the parent team. And as with NBA players on D-League assignment, the parent team retains full rights to its two-way players.

The case of Ferrell, Brooklyn and Dallas

Ferrell went undrafted in 2016 after four years at Indiana. He was picked up by the Nets in the summer and, after being cut and sent to the D-League, eventually played 10 games for Brooklyn, averaging 5.4 PPG and 1.7 APG. Then he was waived on Dec. 8 and went back to the D-League, where he put up 18.7 PPG and 5.8 APG while shooting 40 percent from 3.

The Mavs came calling after multiple backcourt injuries. With Ferrell on a 10-day contract, Dallas went 4-0 as the rookie PG posted 17.8 PPG, 5.0 APG and 1.8 SPG in 37.5 MPG. That led to the Mavs offering a minimum deal for the rest of this year with a team option for next season. (Besides another 10-day, Dallas had limited options without cap space.)

If this scenario had occurred next season, Brooklyn could have initially signed Ferrell to a two-way deal with its expanded roster rather than risk having a team like the Mavs swoop him up while he was unsigned in the D-League. Here are some more details on how that could have worked.

Players are eligible to sign a two-way contract if they have fewer than four seasons of NBA experience. However, an NBA team can't have the same player on two-way contracts for any part of three seasons -- the maximum is two seasons.

The salary within a two-way contract is calculated on a per-day basis, based on the number of days the player was with the parent NBA team and the affiliate D-League team. In 2017-18 the D-League tenure is based on a $75,000 annual salary, and this amount will increase by three percent each year. When the player is with the NBA team his salary is based on the league's rookie minimum salary.

Two-way contracts don't count against the NBA team's salary cap, and teams do not need to have cap room or a salary-cap exception to sign two-way players. Teams are not allowed to pay an international team buyout when signing a player to a two-way contract.

Players accrue Bird rights (toward free agency) while on two-way contracts, and they are subject to restricted free agency at the end of their contracts if they were called up by the parent NBA team for at least 15 days of the previous season.

Teams have the option to convert a two-way contract into a regular, minimum-salary NBA contract, at which point the player becomes a regular member of the parent NBA team. Two-way players are not eligible for NBA playoff rosters, so a team must convert any two-way players it wants to use in the playoffs.

And finally, two-way players can be traded. However, they can't be traded for 30 days after they are signed, and trades of two-way players don't generate trade exceptions for the parent team.

In all, two-way contracts represent one of many improvements to the system in the new CBA, and make the D-League more effective as a place to develop talent. These players represent a useful hybrid between the two types of players that existed previously. In Ferrell's case, not only could he have made more money this way, but his path back to the NBA would've been more clear. And Brooklyn likely wouldn't have lost out on a productive player.

As with any other new rule, NBA teams will look for the cracks and crevices and will try to find ways to tweak the new rules to their advantage. Time will tell if two-way contracts will work as intended, but for now, they appear to be a great addition to the league's system.
 
Posting my first ESPN Insider article about a 2 way contract. It's buried in the article but 2 way contracts don't count against the cap.

That was quick that they decided to sign Kornet to a 2 way. A bonus with him is he showed he can put the ball on the deck and is just not a catch and shoot 3pt shooter. I would be surprised if an undrafted player who can stroke it like him can play stout D, scouting report has to say lacks lateral quickness, leaping ability and quick twitch athleticism otherwise he would have been drafted.

Wow, that does clarify things. Thanks, man.
 
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