The Frank Ntilikina Thread

mafra

Legend
?Hornacek said Ntilikina would likely play in the summer league in July in Las Vegas.

?With Frank, it?s just strength,?? Hornacek said before the Knicks lost to the Warriors on Monday. ?He?s 19 and he?s never been in a weight program. Our strength guys are working hard with him. He has gotten stronger. But it?s going to take him a couple of years, almost like KP. It?s going to take couple of years to get that strength. Everything becomes easier. You don?t get knocked off your spot. You can finish better. The more strength you have, the more conditioning you can do and not get tired.?


During the All-Star Weekend in Los Angeles, Ntilikina was asked where he?d spend his offseason and he answered ?France? ? which raised some eyebrows. However, when pressed, he said he would ?split time?? and also be in New York.

Hornacek said no talks have taken place, but Las Vegas would seem very possible after the way Ntilikina has struggled on offense as a rookie. It?s led the Knicks to add two young point guards to the roster in Trey Burke and Emmanuel Mudiay. Ntilikina?s defense, though, has the Knicks feeling he?s a keeper.

?We haven?t discussed any of that [summer] stuff,?? Hornacek said. ?We want to encourage them after the season to go back. It?s tough for a kid to leave home. He?s got to get home but he?ll be back a little bit. I?m sure we?ll have him back for the summer league.??

NY Post
 

tiger0330

Legend
“Hornacek said Ntilikina would likely play in the summer league in July in Las Vegas.

“With Frank, it’s just strength,’’ Hornacek said before the Knicks lost to the Warriors on Monday. “He’s 19 and he’s never been in a weight program. Our strength guys are working hard with him. He has gotten stronger. But it’s going to take him a couple of years, almost like KP. It’s going to take couple of years to get that strength. Everything becomes easier. You don’t get knocked off your spot. You can finish better. The more strength you have, the more conditioning you can do and not get tired.”


During the All-Star Weekend in Los Angeles, Ntilikina was asked where he’d spend his offseason and he answered “France” — which raised some eyebrows. However, when pressed, he said he would “split time’’ and also be in New York.

Hornacek said no talks have taken place, but Las Vegas would seem very possible after the way Ntilikina has struggled on offense as a rookie. It’s led the Knicks to add two young point guards to the roster in Trey Burke and Emmanuel Mudiay. Ntilikina’s defense, though, has the Knicks feeling he’s a keeper.

“We haven’t discussed any of that [summer] stuff,’’ Hornacek said. “We want to encourage them after the season to go back. It’s tough for a kid to leave home. He’s got to get home but he’ll be back a little bit. I’m sure we’ll have him back for the summer league.’’

NY Post
I mentioned in the game thread about gaining 15-20 lbs. in a couple of years which should benefit him. I think Trey and Mudiay competing with him now made him rethink what he said at the ASG about staying in France vs. the US. He's played better since the break but has played mostly off the ball, Horn should switch up and play him at PG and move Mudiay off the ball for 5-8 games.
 

Kiyaman

Legend
I mentioned in the game thread about gaining 15-20 lbs. in a couple of years which should benefit him. I think Trey and Mudiay competing with him now made him rethink what he said at the ASG about staying in France vs. the US. He's played better since the break but has played mostly off the ball, Horn should switch up and play him at PG and move Mudiay off the ball for 5-8 games.

Every PG need a co-existing partner in the backcourt as their SG plus a co-exististing Big man in the middle .. Lee as the SG in the lineup with Sessions then Knits played like a clueless bum .. Lee in the lineup with Jack played as a helper in the backcourt.
Sessions and Kanter worked well together ..
Jack and Kanter worked well together ..
Knits and Kanter did not work well together for reasons of Lee wanting the ball most time to setup Kanter.
Knits and Quinn worked well together on both sides of the court especially when Mcderm were in their lineup.

The Knicks not having a proficient PF in any of their lineups this season is a major reason why the Knicks are inefficient in the 4th qtr. in the majority of their games plus can't win a road game.
Plus the Knicks forcing off-guards Lee n THJ to play at the SF position all season then forcing our natural SF Beasley n Mcderm n Lance to play stretch forward (PF) to get out rebounded n out scored by opponents Big men all the time = TANK coaching season.
 

Kiyaman

Legend
The more I watch Frank Knits perform at the off-guard position (as a Combo-Guard) a long side of Burke or Mudiay after the all-star break the more comfortable Frank Knits look n act showing off his skills ....
Playing the 19 yr old rookie Frank Knits .. At the start of the 2017-18 season at the off-guard position a long side of Sessions in a lineup for a couple of weeks .. then a long side Jack for a couple of weeks would have advance Frank Knits knowledge n understanding of what is needed at the PG position in the NBA league .. what coach Hornacek's doing now in the latter part of midseason having Knits play most of playingtime at the off-guard (as combo-guard) are something Hornacek should have been doing in the Preseason games having the veteran tools of Session n Jack.

I wonder if Hornacek had any say-so in the signing of Session? And in the resigning of Baker?
We all should know whomever idea it was to sign Tim Hardaway Jr plus give THJ more than double his performance worth for the next 4 years in a contract are not the person the Knicks should have making any more decision on rebuilding a winning Knicks team !!!
 

Kiyaman

Legend
Klay Thompson wrote:
?He?s got tremendous potential,?? Thompson said. ?Anytime you?re in the NBA at 19, you?re doing something right. He plays the game the right way, he can shoot, he?s still got a lot of growing to do and he?s just going to get better every day.?

Having Frank /Mudiay / Burke /and Jack next season would be a big boost of improvement to the guard rotation especially if we kept THJ n Dotson as our main SG .. plus trade Lee n Baker in the offseason.
Frank Knits are a multi-position player who has the potential n athleticism to become a Point-forward In the future.
Kanter n KO'Quinn are KEEPERS !!!
We need two PF on the roster to help Kanter n Quinn downlow plus switch to add perimeter defense.
We dont have any PF on our roster except for Hicks which Horn does not give playingtime to for reason of winning games n not getting a low lottery pick for Dolan to trade.
Beasley is a one position player a SF wing.
Troy Williams is one position player slasher defender at the SF position.
 

tiger0330

Legend
Frank has upped his averages up to 7.5 pts on 42% shooting since moving to the 2 for the past 6 games. I'd like to see Mudiay at the 2 and him at PG to see how that looks, lot of nice things being said about Nits but we're still not winning games.
 

paris401

Starter
Frank has upped his averages up to 7.5 pts on 42% shooting since moving to the 2 for the past 6 games. I'd like to see Mudiay at the 2 and him at PG to see how that looks, lot of nice things being said about Nits '' but we're still not winning games.''

thank god that winning games is low on the knicks agenda....
 

Mike1989

Rookie
Frank has upped his averages up to 7.5 pts on 42% shooting since moving to the 2 for the past 6 games. I'd like to see Mudiay at the 2 and him at PG to see how that looks, lot of nice things being said about Nits but we're still not winning games.

I'd say right now our main two priorities are to develop our young players and find out which players have a future with this team next season (and beyond). The winning part is not really part of the equation. Don't get me wrong, I can see the benefit of our players learning to win games and having a strong finish to the season (e.g. like the 49ers did to end the 2017 NFL season when they made Jimmy Garropollo their starting quarterback), but in our situation we are very unlikely to make the play offs (it would require the 8th seed plus Detroit and Charlotte going on bad runs that allow us to catch them and get in front), and as such we might be better trying to focus our attempts on improving our draft position rather than a desperate attempt to make the play offs.

As for Frank and Mudiay, I would not starting swapping positions for them because they seem to be showing some positive signs at the 2 and 1 respectively. When we drafted Frank there was talk that he could end up playing shooting guard rather than point guard in the future. If he starts to become more assertive in an off the ball role, then it would make sense to give him a run at SG until the end of the season to see if that is where his future lies. It also allows the team to continue to give Mudiay and Burke the opportunities to prove if they are the future for us at PG. Then you can look forward to the draft, if Frank is making a case to be our SG of the future but our PG position is still questionable, then there is always the chance we could draft Collin Sexton to be our PG because he should be under consideration in that 8 to 10 range.
 

paris401

Starter
I'd say right now our main two priorities are to develop our young players and find out which players have a future with this team next season (and beyond). The winning part is not really part of the equation.

we have been looking toward the future since 1973.... when do we get into the future is 'now' mentally ???
 

Mike1989

Rookie
we have been looking toward the future since 1973.... when do we get into the future is 'now' mentally ???

Like I said, I can see why fans want to see us compete in what's left of this season and do a 49ers, but do we have enough on this team right now to go on a winning run? It's debatable. We should win some games but not enough to change our fate of another season without play off basketball.

A further question is do we have enough pieces on this roster to state with confidence that we are one or two moves from play off basketball and ultimately contention? Fingers crossed KP comes back strong, but he's really the only player on our team sheet with their name in pen rather than pencil.

There is really no shortcut to contention. We need to be patient and hope that we have a strong draft and off season. Arguably without KP for most of next season we will be in a similar position to this season, so we'll probably have another top ten pick. If we are lucky then Frank and KP plus our next two first rounders will form an impressive quartet that can lead us to contention. That's without taking into account Hardaway and any other existing players being part of the solution, any trades, or acquisitions in free agency.

It's been a long time since a title. But we tried the quick route with Melo and failed. So perhaps now is time to try the patient route? Unless LeBron wants to come to the Knicks then let the spending commence!
 

Kiyaman

Legend
Frank has upped his averages up to 7.5 pts on 42% shooting since moving to the 2 for the past 6 games. I'd like to see Mudiay at the 2 and him at PG to see how that looks, lot of nice things being said about Nits but we're still not winning games.

Heres a look at the future .....

Frank Knits & Burke vs Lonzo Ball & Isiaih
Rubio & Mitchell vs Fox & Shumpert
 

tiger0330

Legend
Good article on the kid. Interesting that he's grown an inch and doctors say he may be 6'7" when he's done. He's behind, body, shot,aggressiveness so it may take years, progress is the key for the Knicks to have the patience.


NBA Insiders Wonder If Frank Ntilikina Can Be More Than a Lockdown Defender

NEW YORK — It's been an up-and-down rookie season for Frank Ntilikina. Selected eighth overall by the New York Knicks in last year's draft, the 19-year-old has at times flashed the talent and skills that made him such a tantalizing prospect. He's also looked timid and ordinary, as evidenced by the paltry 5.5 points and 3.1 assists he's averaged per game.
Such is life as an NBA rookie, especially when said rookie is the second-youngest player in the league.
But this is also what makes Ntilikina so difficult to evaluate at this point. Rookie seasons are supposed to provide answers; Ntilikina's has shown promises, but it's also generated myriad questions.
Is his ceiling that of a reserve, starter or All-Star? Is he better suited to play point guard or off the ball? Is his passiveness on the court an innate characteristic that can't be cured or just the result of him being a kid from France who's still trying to find his footing in this country and league?
Those around the NBA who are bullish on Ntilikina believe in him primarily because they feel he can evolve into one of the game's top perimeter defenders. He has all the attributes teams look for in their desperate search for players flexible enough to keep up with today's space-and-pace game. As one league executive put it: "He fits the positionless basketball model that the league is adapting."

Ntilikina is listed at 6'5", but he's also grown an inch over the season and has been told by doctors that another inch could be coming. That, combined with his seven-foot wingspan, allows him to lock down both guards and wings. Case in point: He's big enough to switch on screens and quick and long enough to fight over them and bother ball-handlers from behind. It's no coincidence that the Knicks force more turnovers and hold opponents to nearly five fewer points per 100 possessions with Ntilikina on the floor, per NBA.com.
It's on the offensive end of the floor where Ntilikina has struggled most. He never profiled as a shoot-first rim-seeker, but there's a middle ground he's failed to discover, a tendency that a second NBA executive, one who scouted him in France said is part of his DNA. "He's passive," the executive said. "It's who he is."
Ntilikina rarely attacks the basket and too often settles for pull-up jumpers off pick-and-rolls. The 4.3 drives he averages per game, according to NBA.com, is in the same ballpark as sharpshooting gunners like Patty Mills and Joe Harris. Ntilikina could get away with some of these decisions if he were a knockdown shooter, but he's drilled just 31.9 percent of his triples and only 31.0 percent of his mid-range looks, according to Cleaning the Glass.
Yet there are reasons to believe all these problems can be cured.
For one, he's been solid on spot-up three-pointers—32.8 percent, per NBA.com—and, as an Eastern Conference scout said, "his shot's not broken." Bumping his efficiency up to, say, around 37 percent, would morph Ntilikina into a valuable three-and-D guy even if he doesn't improve his off-the-dribble game. Combine that with a basketball IQ and court vision that scouts love and you get a valuable player who could contribute on any team.
Also, he's slowly developing the footwork and comfort to finish in traffic, though that will be helped most by the strength he'll inevitably gain.

But Ntilikina will never reach his ceiling if he doesn't become more aggressive. Three-and-D guys are nice, but that's not what the Knicks had in mind when they picked him over high-scoring guards like Donovan Mitchell and Dennis Smith Jr. Even if Ntilikina winds up settling in as an off-guard, where he's spent the majority of his minutes since the Knicks signed Trey Burke and acquired Emmanuel Mudiay, he'll still need to become more aggressive and learn to attack the rim to truly justify that high draft slot.
Perhaps playing him at the 2 takes the ball out of his hands at times. But that doesn't mean he won't ever be tasked with creating on the bounce, whether in secondary pick-and-rolls or off kick-out passes. Teams like the Houston Rockets, Portland Trail Blazers and Toronto Raptors show the days of backcourts featuring two guards with distinct roles are no more.
And so while so much attention has recently been paid to whether Ntilikina projects more as a point guard or shooting guard, the smart move for the Knicks would be to allow other factors—from the draft to available free agents—to determine his future position.
"I can play with the ball or without the ball," Ntilikina told Bleacher Report recently. "Nowadays you see lots of backcourts with two point guards."
The Knicks would also be wise to loosen the leash they've kept tied around Ntilikina. It's not just that he's played only 20.9 minutes per game—a number that should be closer to 25. The team's main failure has been not helping Ntilikina learn to play without a fear of making mistakes. Watching Nitilikina is often like watching a high school player scared of upsetting the coach and getting yanked. Part of that is his personality, but, with that being the case, the onus falls on the Knicks to push him to overcome that.
"Point guard is a sensitive position; it's easy for a young player to worry about getting other guys involved and pleasing the coach," the first league executives said. "I think that's happened a bit with Frank."
The injection of young point guards into the roster certainly didn't help Ntilikina feel more ease about his position within the team, even if management remains high on his future. As has been previously reported here, the Knicks did turn away multiple trade proposals involving Ntilikina prior to the deadline, according to league sources. But player development is about managing feelings and boosting a player's confidence almost as much as it's about improving skills. With Ntilikina, that was not an area the Knicks emphasized this year.
"It's really hard to develop during the season because you don't have as much time to have practice as you would," Knicks vice president of player development and G League operations Craig Robinson told reporters recently. "The more games you have, the more development you'll see over the summer."
The good news is this means there's a lot of room for improvement—and that the Knicks have a plan to foster that development. Whether that leads to a leap for Ntilikina is anyone's guess. But the Knicks would be wise to devote more of his second year in the NBA to finding out how much of his potential is real.
 

mafra

Legend
Good article. Pretty much hammers home a point I just made in another thread, about how I would coach Knits. This failure is on Horn. Obviously, based on the individual, you don?t coach Knits the same way as a Burke, THjr, or Mudiay.

No excuses now, with playoffs out of the picture. Team has gone 1-17 last 18 games. Start Knits, tell him to focus solely on shooting and penetrating.

Knits is young onnon the verge of being a high IQ, savvy, 6?7 willing defender and passer. It may not be value for the 8th pick, but he should be a valuable role player here.... if not, the team failed him.

It?ll be a big offseason for him. Based on his growth as a player... that?s when the book will start getting ink written in it.

There teams out there that will still trade for him and his ?potential? means NY has at least 1 more season to wait and decide. Because, even another mediocre season won?t deter his supporters. This team next year he?s still a 20 yr-old developmental project, at worst. Plus, teams that like him probably feel NY isn?t helpful by his game.

So, we just need to sit back and wait and determine around Jan next year what sort of player Knits appears grooming himself to become.

Mitchell is having a fantastic year. But Brandon Jennings had a good rookie season. Let?s see how athletic DM is in 3 years, after all the NBA abuse. Still a long way from deciding finally who was the best option at 8...
 

Kiyaman

Legend
Knits just need to play combo-gard in a steady lineup each game having center Quinn, SF Troy, PG Burke, and a real NBA PF that name isn't KP Lance Beasley !!!
 

tiger0330

Legend
He should watch tapes of this all day and night, good stuff from the kid

@Knicksfilmschool loves the kid. Dave Bliss the Knicks development coach said they work with him all the time on driving the lane and being aggressive and we're seeing the results of that. Like Mafra said too early to label the kid bust or star but the Knicks have to have patience which has always been in short supply with the Knicks, bringing in Mudiay and Trey tells you that he may have a short leash in NY.
 

mafra

Legend
Hopefully, Knicks do a better development job grooming Frank than they did with Shump. They strike me as similar...

I think Frank has lots of room to grow... I just don?t know if being ?aggressive? and ultra-competitive is in his DNA.
 

tiger0330

Legend
I made a comment about Calderon having a higher motor despite being 17 years older. We'll see, going to find out how hungry the kid is pretty soon. Goes home for a couple of weeks to visit family and comes back to the states to train and play summer league and elsewhere, he shows he wants to be better. Goes home and thinks he can get better in France, I question his desire.
 
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Broadway

All Star
@Knicksfilmschool loves the kid. Dave Bliss the Knicks development coach said they work with him all the time on driving the lane and being aggressive and we're seeing the results of that. Like Mafra said too early to label the kid bust or star but the Knicks have to have patience which has always been in short supply with the Knicks, bringing in Mudiay and Trey tells you that he may have a short leash in NY.


Another 1

 

tiger0330

Legend
Another 1

They showed Dave Bliss on the bench after he made this shot and he looked like a proud dad, grinning and probably thinking "thats my boy, I taught him that". The kid gets as many blocked at the rim as he makes but they don't show those on highlights. The kid is ours for the next 4 years, I don't think you trade him because he's young and can develop but his best chance to make it in the league is as a spot up 3 pt shooter that can defend but he's got to work on that shooting.
 
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