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    The 4 Big max free agents for next offseason are Durant, Kyrie, Butler, and Kawhi, right?

    Kyrie - staying in Boston

    Kawhi - going to do everything in his power to get to the Lakers

    Durant - going to leave the best team in basketball?...I don’t know, maybe, but to come to NYC?...longest of long shots

    Butler - will be 30-years-old at the start of the 2019 season, going to be traded mid season which can complicate things

    Who else? Klay Thompson? His dad already said he is retiring as a Warrior. Al Horford? Staying a Celtic and not really worth a max deal this late in his career.

    That leaves who? Kemba Walker? Ok, maybe that would kinda make sense, but just barely.

    We even talk about trading Lee and THJ (which will likely cost us draft picks to do) to make room for 2 max contracts. Seriously though, who are we making all this cap space for in 2019? I don’t see one realistic target, let alone two.

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    What if KD does pick Knicks? We wouldn’t be able to bring a sidekick, like Tobias Harris.

    There was no reason to do this now, instead of next July. Who cares if we can’t roster Kornet or Hicks or Dotson bc Noah takes up space.

    Most likely, had we called his bluff, Noah agrees to a buyout... like Deng with Lakers. If he would’ve waived 7 mil, that comes to 1.5 mil savings in cap space in 2020-2022.

    A good GM finds a way to trade Noah after season, when Noah is an expiring contract. Just think, in 2022, in prime of our young core, there’s now 6.5 mil in dead cap space.

    Why not just let the bum wither away and be done with him after next season? If we need the cap space to sign 1 max next summer.... then stretch him then.

    Knicks are going to look foolish when no max guy signs here and we end up stuck with Noah on the books for another 4 seasons.

    I just don’t get the rush to eat up cap space in 2020 and beyond.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mafra View Post
    What if KD does pick Knicks? We wouldn’t be able to bring a sidekick, like Tobias Harris.

    There was no reason to do this now, instead of next July. Who cares if we can’t roster Kornet or Hicks or Dotson bc Noah takes up space.

    Most likely, had we called his bluff, Noah agrees to a buyout... like Deng with Lakers. If he would’ve waived 7 mil, that comes to 1.5 mil savings in cap space in 2020-2022.

    A good GM finds a way to trade Noah after season, when Noah is an expiring contract. Just think, in 2022, in prime of our young core, there’s now 6.5 mil in dead cap space.

    Why not just let the bum wither away and be done with him after next season? If we need the cap space to sign 1 max next summer.... then stretch him then.

    Knicks are going to look foolish when no max guy signs here and we end up stuck with Noah on the books for another 4 seasons.

    I just don’t get the rush to eat up cap space in 2020 and beyond.
    Aint NO super-star FA signing with the Knicks .. not in this life time !!!

    The Knicks Mismanagement (Dolan/Mills) has been making consistent STUPID decision making moves when it comes to making the Knicks a winning team since the midseason of firing GM Grunfield in 1999.
    In practically two decades NBA Star FA has made it clear to the Knicks and the NBA league they want no part of the Knick organization.
    So many elite star players came to the Knicks by trade or signing like Noah, then for some odd reason the majority of them wanted out of the Knicks organization after a season or two.

    The Knicks excessive small ball lineups throughout the past decade has made the Knicks a consistent lottery team each season .. It seems like each season the Knicks lineup gets smaller and smaller, and the Knicks getting out-rebounded every game season after season has a lot to do with the Knicks being a lottery team every season.

    The Knicks would have a successful 2018-19 season if Joakim Noah were in training camp and part of the teams rotation throughout the season. Having Noah, Kanter, and rookie PF Mitchell Robinson in the game rotation would give the Knicks PG many option to create and design their own inside and outside plays.
    The Knicks not letting Joakim Noah perform this season .. means the Knicks are TANKING the 2018-19 season .. having a young-core lineup and a rookie head coach !!!
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    The Mismanagement Dolan Knicks ....
    Knicks waive Noah with eye on '2019, sources say

    Ian Begley
    ESPN Staff Writer
    The Knicks have Joakim Noah, Kadeem Allen and Jeff Coby, the team announces.
    Joakim Noah, who had two years left on his deal, has been waived by the Knicks, who will spread out the $37.8M owed to the center over the next three years.

    Bobby Marks
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    Here are the financial implications on the Joakim Noah waiver/stretch for the Knicks: New York will incur an $18.5M cap hit in 2018-19 that will be reduced by $522,252 if the center signs a 1 year $2.4M (minimum exception) guaranteed contract with a new team. For the next 3 seasons (2019-20 to 2021-22), New York will be charged $6.4M on the $19.3M amount owed to Noah. If the Knicks do not give Kristaps Porzingis a max rookie extension by Oct.15, New York projects to have $31M in room next summer. The room will increase to $38M if Lance Thomas is waived. The forward has a $7.6M non-guaranteed contract. The room does not factor in their 2019 first-round pick or free agent hold of Enes Kanter. The projected max next year for a player with 7-9 years of service is $32.7M and 10+ years of service $38.15M.

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    The Knicks used the stretch provision this weekend to waive center Joakim Noah, which means his salary will be on the books for $6.4 million through the 2021-22 season (though they’re still paying his full $18.5 million salary this year). It’s a disappointing decision for New York, but it was necessary. Even if the Knicks had kept Noah, league sources believe they’d have been forced to waive him next summer anyway in an attempt to create enough cap space to pursue Durant.
    No team wants Noah; he’s dead weight who can’t contribute on the court and offers little as a veteran leader. Considering the Nuggets just gave up a top-12-protected 2019 first-round pick to unload Kenneth Faried, who can still play competitive basketball, the price likely would have been even steeper for the Knicks. Cutting bait now allowed the Knicks to retain young fliers Noah Vonleh and Allonzo Trier, and retain all their future assets.

    The difference in New York’s cap flexibility between waiving Noah now rather than later is minuscule. Depending on how high their 2019 first-round pick lands, the Knicks can create more than $32.4 million in cap space to sign a player like Butler or Walker if they waive Lance Thomas. They’ll need to manufacture more than $37.8 million in space to fit Durant’s 10-year veteran maximum on their cap sheet. They can get there by trading Courtney Lee or Tim Hardaway Jr.—neither of whom would require the level of sweeteners in a dump that Noah would’ve, since both provide on-court value. If they can’t sign anyone next summer, then waiving Noah with two years remaining on his contract could look silly. But their intent is clear, so don’t be surprised if Lee and Hardaway Jr. end up in the rumor mill this season.
    Lee, a dynamic shooter and plus defender when he tries, has already generated interest; the Knicks and Hornets discussed a trade involving Lee prior to the trade deadline, per sources. If Lee gets moved for expiring deals, then the Knicks would create enough cap space for Durant, while maintaining the necessary draft picks and salaries (Hardaway Jr. and Thomas) to work a sign-and-trade for a second star free agent.
    There are no guarantees that the Knicks will be in a position to make those types of additions. But their decisions this season will start to make sense if viewed through a lens in which they’re aiming for the stars. After all, that’s exactly what the Knicks are doing.
    https://www.theringer.com/nba/2018/1...c-kevin-durant

    Here we Go Again .... putting a million to one odds of a Top-3 player Durant signing with one of the leagues top losing team in the past two decade .. Knicks!!!
    If Warriors win a championship or not this season .. Durant has better option staying a Warrior to make history 4-repeat

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    Unlike past pursuits, where NYK was desperate b/c the cupboard was bare if legitimate young talent... Knicks not in that position anymore.

    KD went to GSW to get his titles. Now he wants to focus on his legacy. He could win 5 in Oakland and it wouldn’t mean as much as 1 in NY.

    He has ties to NYK and words is starting to trickle out he’s as good as gone, bc he doesn’t like playing second fiddle...

    We shall see. It’s not our focus. I’m cool with Tobias Harris, or whatever. My main focus is developing our kids and grabbing 1 more lottery stud.

    KP, Knits, Knox and another lottery stud,
    With Mitchell, Burke, Trier, Super Mario...

    This has to be the foundation. If it is, then sprinkle in a max stud or 2 big signings and we are in a happy place.

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    Joakim Noah’s NBA vacation could be over.
    The Knicks’ free-agent bust is in talks with the Grizzlies, the New York Times reports. The Knicks released Noah using the stretch provision last month after two seasons, one altercation with former head coach Jeff Hornacek, 53 games and a wasted $72 million.
    https://nypost.com/2018/11/19/joakim...er-nba-chance/

    Looks like Noah might be rebooting his career in Memphis

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    Quote Originally Posted by rady View Post
    Joakim Noah’s NBA vacation could be over.
    The Knicks’ free-agent bust is in talks with the Grizzlies, the New York Times reports. The Knicks released Noah using the stretch provision last month after two seasons, one altercation with former head coach Jeff Hornacek, 53 games and a wasted $72 million.
    https://nypost.com/2018/11/19/joakim...er-nba-chance/

    Looks like Noah might be rebooting his career in Memphis

    The Grizz is off to a 10-5 record to start the season under a new head coach Bickerstaff .. now they gonna add Noah

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    Quote Originally Posted by rady View Post
    Joakim Noah’s NBA vacation could be over.
    The Knicks’ free-agent bust is in talks with the Grizzlies, the New York Times reports. The Knicks released Noah using the stretch provision last month after two seasons, one altercation with former head coach Jeff Hornacek, 53 games and a wasted $72 million.
    https://nypost.com/2018/11/19/joakim...er-nba-chance/

    Looks like Noah might be rebooting his career in Memphis
    His workouts have probably been good with the Griz. They could use a backup to Gasol, he's playing too many minutes and Noah would be good insurance. Griz have been a surprise team in the West playing an old school slow paced defensive game that Noah should fit.

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    Noah gives an interview and says he sucked in NY bc he partied all the time. If I were Dolan, I would vacate contract and not pay the man another cent. There has to be a personal conduct clause in the contract?

    If I paid somebody 70 mil and they admit they just took my money and partied with their friends... well, I would make him come get his money thru the courts.

    NYK could claim his constant partying contributing to a failing body, which prevented him for getting on the court and honoring his contract.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mafra View Post
    Noah gives an interview and says he sucked in NY bc he partied all the time. If I were Dolan, I would vacate contract and not pay the man another cent. There has to be a personal conduct clause in the contract?

    If I paid somebody 70 mil and they admit they just took my money and partied with their friends... well, I would make him come get his money thru the courts.

    NYK could claim his constant partying contributing to a failing body, which prevented him for getting on the court and honoring his contract.
    I said he arguably was the worse FA signing in Knicks history, this just pisses me off, signs that big contract, doesn't give anything back in his buyout and then insults the Knicks by saying he could have played better except he was to busy partying. I hope the guy is a bust in Memphis.

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    The Knicks mismanagement Phil/Mills showed there NBA ignorance when they traded a decent defensive center Lopez for a shoot-first PG D.Rose.
    Noah admitting he partied to much as a Knick shows the Knicks had no leadership in the coaching-staff or amongst the players in the locker-room.

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    Bondy:

    “I can look back at it and say I was ready for New York City, but I wasn’t,” Noah said on the ‘Chris Vernon Show’ from Memphis, where the center signed recently for the remainder of the season. “Not just the pressure. I remember after the first game I had 60 people in my house. I’m too lit to play in New York City. Memphis is perfect for me.”
    Noah’s partying was well known and young players, including fellow Frenchman Frank Ntilikina, were told not to go out with him, according to a source.

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    Joakim Noah is an ass. Dude has been in the league for 12 years and he is talking as if he is a guy who just hit the big time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiyaman View Post
    The Knicks mismanagement Phil/Mills showed there NBA ignorance when they traded a decent defensive center Lopez for a shoot-first PG D.Rose.
    Noah admitting he partied to much as a Knick shows the Knicks had no leadership in the coaching-staff or amongst the players in the locker-room.
    Stop blaming the staff, your boy Noah was the problem. He was brought in by PJ for his vet leadership and D and what we got were a suspension for PEDs and then a hissy fit with the coach that got him permanently benched. Never did like him, you never heard me talk about his so called hustle and intensity on D. All I saw was that god awful jump shot and FTs, the guy was less than a zero when he was here.

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