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    Originally Posted by mafra
    Kyrie now hinting he’s leaving BOS (and If BoS wants AD now they have to trade KI)...

    Knicks have assets to trade for AD...

    Top 3 pick us free agent is doable...

    The light is certainly visible. Doesn’t mean much tho... might just mean we’re a perennial second round team at best... but, the 20 win seasons should be over starting this fall.

    Hard to judge Fiz bc the talent is bare and orders from front office clear... not sold
    Either, but he’s not Fisher and Horn.

    Kyrie has not hinted he's leaving...those are leaks from Lebron's camp to make the C's appear as an unattractive destination because they want to essentially force their way to the Lakers without it seeming so obvious(although it is). Hence the Pels coming out right away requesting the NBA enforce league wide tampering rules. Pels have fired back implying they'd rather wait until Summer to trade AD and Lonzo's camp firing back revealing Lonzo prefers to be re-routed to a team where there is no starting pg threat, basically trying to send signals he'll make a trade difficult by making traded team known he doesn't want to be there long-term

    Games within a Game

    If we're going to buy the Kyrie angle of leaving then it would most likely be to the Lakers based on placing recent phone call to Lebron to counsel him on Celtic struggles and Lebron IG and tagging him on a song of "rewinding" back time.

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    It definitely appears to be the case, with LeBron and his agent trying to force the AD issue... And kyrie and AD are really tight, so LeBron hopes if he gets 1 he can get both.

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    I'm trying to figure out how teams/league can make this difficult for the Lakers. One thing the Pels appear adamant on is letting AD figure this out on his own...he knows turning down 5yrs $240mil is a tough pill to swallow. His intentions will have to be revealed or he has to hope the Lakers pony up assets. With each loss while Lebron is out results in diminishing returns, Pels can always ask for more and more and more even if it doesn't make sense.

    It's very reminiscent of Paul George/Pacers but could turn into a spitting image of Carmelo/Nuggets and if so from the outside looking in...this time we'll get to see how ugly this really is.


    LEBRON IS DISGUSTING TO ME AND HAS BEEN SINCE LATE 09, THIS WAS PLANNED VERY MUCH LIKE THE SUMMER OF 08'


    Very happy I decided to stop rooting for him since, he's been bad for basketball(not from a talent display of on court ability accomplishments) but from a competitive landscape perspective on the principle reason why sports exist. Hope he never wins anything ever again

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    Your sentiment is why I want this to happen for NYK, more so to screw LJ than bc I want NYK to improve....LJ is trying to run another coach out of job, his choices have probably screwed NBA in the long term.... The King hasn’t made the sport better for those that followed... he used it just for his own purpose but wants everybody to believe he’s an altruistic ambassador.

    Would be so sweet if AD-KD-KI are in NY while LJ is stuck with Ball and Kuzma.

    I imagine no deal occurs now. Lakers will try to wait another year... call NO bluff... BOS, or some other team not named NY, will swoop in and swing a deal with no extension assurance. PG13, Kyrie, Kawhi have all been moved lately under these circumstances...

    I imagine Lj’s agent... err... AD’s agent... will make it know AD will not sign extension with anybody but LA.

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    Almost have to root for the Celtics to get AD by exposing through the media how great a difference the offers are in comparison to the rest of the league. We could factor by way of offer but our risk is so much greater. The Celtics need to take the approach of leaking any and everything possible

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    i hear 'we have the assets to get a deal done'.... exactly what assets do we have?? - we have KP who's health is unknown.. n a lottery pick... player unknown... i don't see a match...

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    Originally Posted by paris401
    i hear 'we have the assets to get a deal done'.... exactly what assets do we have?? - we have KP who's health is unknown.. n a lottery pick... player unknown... i don't see a match...

    The pick and #kporzee match the other potential offers especially if LA and Boston are preferred destinations. Boston has the edge on offers though


    We could easily do combinations of...


    Top 3 2019 pick(Zion/Barrett/Morant)/#kporzee/Knox/Knits/Trier/Robinson/Dotson/Mudiay/2021 unprotected pick

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    Originally Posted by paris401
    i hear 'we have the assets to get a deal done'.... exactly what assets do we have?? - we have KP who's health is unknown.. n a lottery pick... player unknown... i don't see a match...
    Would you prefer Zion or Ja or the 14,18,26 pick in the upcoming draft?

    Would you prefer KP or Brown or Ball?

    Would you prefer MRob, Knits, Knox or Smart?

    MRob, Trier and Knox are low salaries controllable assets...

    Obviously, this is all based on where our pick is... if this goes down this summer, which it most likely will... our package is much more attractive if we have top 3 pick.

    For example, if AD won’t sign extension with anybody but LA... nobody will offer their “best and brightest”... and if you are NO... Unless Tatum is the prize, you would take Zion over anybody LA or BOS has to offer.

    He’s under your control for 5 years. He has a name that willl attract people to the building... he’s the perfect consolation if you lose AD.

    Knicks would roll dice, bc with AD and the assets they have left.... that should be enough to land a max free agent partner...

    KP-AD-Kyrie
    AD-Harris-Kemba

    Something like this...

    Probably won’t happen, but our package will be equal to most. Just depends on what NO wants.

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    Originally Posted by mafra
    Would you prefer Zion or Ja or the 14,18,26 pick in the upcoming draft?

    Would you prefer KP or Brown or Ball?

    Would you prefer MRob, Knits, Knox or Smart?

    MRob, Trier and Knox are low salaries controllable assets...

    Obviously, this is all based on where our pick is... if this goes down this summer, which it most likely will... our package is much more attractive if we have top 3 pick.

    For example, if AD won’t sign extension with anybody but LA... nobody will offer their “best and brightest”... and if you are NO... Unless Tatum is the prize, you would take Zion over anybody LA or BOS has to offer.

    He’s under your control for 5 years. He has a name that willl attract people to the building... he’s the perfect consolation if you lose AD.

    Knicks would roll dice, bc with AD and the assets they have left.... that should be enough to land a max free agent partner...

    KP-AD-Kyrie
    AD-Harris-Kemba

    Something like this...

    Probably won’t happen, but our package will be equal to most. Just depends on what NO wants.

    You forgot Rozier and also a very important factor AD wants to win, so everything can't be offered in order to trump packages. AND NO trying to sell AD on hey we can pair you with KD and so-and-so won't work because the other two teams could clear enough salary in trades to do likewise. This gives Boston and LA the edge here as they have 2 clear stars who are proven winners. The movement on Boston's picks could change things slightly. As of today Boston has the most compelling package without having to gut their team

    Boston could also move other assets to get picks if necessary...which is why we might want to move Vonleh and Kanter while their stock might be at an all-time high

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    Originally Posted by Broadway
    You forgot Rozier and also a very important factor AD wants to win, so everything can't be offered in order to trump packages. AND NO trying to sell AD on hey we can pair with KD and so-and-so won't work because the other two teams could clear enough salary in trades to do likewise which gives Boston and LA the edge here as they have 2 clear stars who are proven winners. the movement on pick could change things slightly. As of today Boston has the most compelling package without having to gut their team

    Boston could also move other assets to get picks if necessary...which is why we might want to move Vonleh and Kanter while their stock might be at an all-time high
    Rozier is a free agent, no? Not sure TR or NO want each other. So, that doesn’t help NO much (especially since they have EP and Jrue already).

    Other teams can clear space but if we already have AD on the roster... well, that certainly makes NY more attractive. Actually, that would be the sole purpose to roll the dice here, right? If we have AD... then it gives KP and KI and the rest something else to consider.

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    Originally Posted by mafra
    Rozier is a free agent, no? Not sure TR or NO want each other. So, that doesn’t help NO much (especially since they have EP and Jrue already).

    Other teams can clear space but if we already have AD on the roster... well, that certainly makes NY more attractive. Actually, that would be the sole purpose to roll the dice here, right? If we have AD... then it gives KP and KI and the rest something else to consider.
    Jrue gets move in any deal consummated most likely

    Correct Rozier is and I said "as of today" but guess what #kporzee is the same free agent as TR(again should've inked him)...this summer things could change somewhat but Cs have the more valuable pieces. Hence why we are hoping Pels wait until the summer because we're trying to see where our pick lands(e.g. offer stand to change if it ain't #1 overall)

    No Maf it doesn't give us the clear edge because from AD's perspective he wants to know you already have them in the bag...hence wanting to play with someone like Lebron and/or Kyrie who are already under contract. He can't be the lone piece to start

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    Originally Posted by Broadway
    Jrue gets move in any deal consummated most likely

    Correct Rozier is and I said "as of today" but guess what #kporzee is the same free agent as TR(again should've inked him)...this summer things could change somewhat but Cs have the more valuable pieces. Hence why we are hoping Pels wait until the summer because we're trying to see where our pick lands(e.g. offer stand to change if it ain't #1 overall)

    No Maf it doesn't give us the clear edge because from AD's perspective he wants to know you already have them in the bag...hence wanting to play with someone like Lebron and/or Kyrie who are already under contract. He can't be the lone piece to start
    AD has no say... just like Kyrie had no so... where he gets traded to...

    OKC, BOS, and TOR all rolled the dice... made the trade without the extension. Knicks would do the same, I guess. Trade the #1 pick and “stuff” to get AD. Knicks would still have some combo of young assets (KP, Knox, Knits, Trier, MRob, Dotson, Kornet).... and, we assume, the ability to be players in free agency.

    So, with AD on our roster... they go out recruiting. Could it backfire? Could they whiff, watch AD walk, end up with nada? Sure... But, Perry would wager that having NY and AD gets them a top free agent. And, if that occurs, AD won’t walk.

    We shall see... but I guarantee you that’s the plan. Now, none of this matters if Knicks don’t procur a top 3 pick... heck, it may only work with the top pick...

    It won’t work either if AD and his agent press for LA or if NO covets something somebody else has to offer.

    I wonder if NY tries to ply a Jrue or Ball or something if they can’t get AD
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    Originally Posted by mafra
    AD has no say... just like Kyrie had no so... where he gets traded to...

    OKC, BOS, and TOR all rolled the dice... made the trade without the extension. Knicks would do the same, I guess. Trade the #1 pick and “stuff” to get AD. Knicks would still have some combo of young assets (KP, Knox, Knits, Trier, MRob, Dotson, Kornet).... and, we assume, the ability to be players in free agency.

    So, with AD on our roster... they go out recruiting. Could it backfire? Could they whiff, watch AD walk, end up with nada? Sure... But, Perry would wager that having NY and AD gets them a top free agent. And, if that occurs, AD won’t walk.

    We shall see... but I guarantee you that’s the plan. Now, none of this matters if Knicks don’t procur a top 3 pick... heck, it may only work with the top pick...

    It won’t work either if AD and his agent press for LA or if NO covets something somebody else has to offer.

    I wonder if NY tries to ply a Jrue or Ball or something if they can’t get AD
    Duh of course he has no say for the immediate destination and all the more reason it may make sense to act now rather than later at the same time no one can make the Pelicans move him either. If #kporzee attempts sabotage it makes our potential offers less compelling

    Bucks and Raptors are prepping offers as we speak

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    Originally Posted by Broadway
    Duh of course he has no say for the immediate destination and all the more reason it may make sense to act now rather than later at the same time no one can make the Pelicans move him either. If #kporzee attempts sabotage it makes our potential offers less compelling

    Bucks and Raptors are prepping offers as we speak
    AD-KD-KP are redundant.... so, in best case scenario, we send KP, Timmy, Lee... and, if we have too, our top pick.

    I’m not worried about any club but PHO or CHI. I believe Zion is their primary target. It would have to be, right? He’s the cheapest, most controllable asset...

    You wait to see about draft position... then shoot for Zion. Unless, some some team makes an overwhelming offer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mafra View Post
    Kyrie now hinting he’s leaving BOS (and If BoS wants AD now they have to trade KI)...

    Knicks have assets to trade for AD...

    Top 3 pick us free agent is doable...

    The light is certainly visible. Doesn’t mean much tho... might just mean we’re a perennial second round team at best... but, the 20 win seasons should be over starting this fall.

    Hard to judge Fiz bc the talent is bare and orders from front office clear... not sold
    Either, but he’s not Fisher and Horn.
    Quote Originally Posted by htr10 View Post
    10 game losing streak. Something like 2 - 22 over the last 24. This is what this team is doing BEFORE the All-Star break. Tank or not, this team is going to go down as the worst in franchise history.
    Originally Posted by tiger0330
    If Fizdale is any kind of coach his guys will get better and they start winning some games. I'm tired of his perennial cheerful attitude though.
    The Knicks has no TEAM format system on the offensive-end of the court (except individual-ball) nor on defensive-end of the court in any of coach Fizdale's 49 different game rotation this season. There's no same-page development showing in the Knicks performance from any of the Knick players.
    There has been no area of team-ball improvement in the Knicks performance throughout the 49 games played.
    The Knicks has no consistent starter lineup, nor does the Knicks have a consistent bench lineup out of 49 Games !!!

    The 2019 February Trading DeadLine will be a BIG-BLOCK-BUSTER .. If the 2-Way super-star Anthony Davis get traded !!!

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