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    Quote Originally Posted by Broadway View Post
    Kyrie also said to end today presser Boston is obviously at the head of the race, so while it seems like there's doubt this is more a case of a guy who wants to be held in high regard coveted so he can get paid.

    Interesting take on #kporzee because according to Mills if he hadn't walked into his office and demanded to be traded and showed good work ethic and team camaraderie this yr, he'd still be a Knick. They even publicly said as much earlier in the yr the plan was to resign him this summer. So what really altered the plan was #kporzee and no one else, if we take Mills at his words. The Cap Space is the super sale from the aftermath which no problem with it but this wasn't an original plan AT ALL!

    We also pitched to trade for AD and appear to still want to do so this summer
    Original plan or not, I’m cautiously optimistic for this offseason. Either pull off the long shot and get 2 stars or get nobody, play for the lottery again next season, and use our cap space as a means to absorb other teams’ contracts if they also are going to send us draft picks.

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    Read on Hoopshype that at least one team has already approached our front office about trading for Wesley Matthews.

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    SI article says this was the smart move:

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.si....-durant-rumors

    “It could backfire spectacularly, yes, but that's fine. The Knicks now have a chance to build an honest-to-god title contender this summer. That matters. Keeping Porzingis and playing things "smart" would have been a great way to impress NBA Twitter and then win 43 games next year. Purely from a process standpoint, this was the better play.

    The first way you can tell this trade was the right decision? The Boston Celtics and all their fans almost certainly hated it. Ditto for the Golden State Warriors. The Knicks began Thursday without enough cap space to sign Kevin Durant, and by Thursday afternoon they had $74.6 million to spend this summer—enough space to sign both Durant and an additional superstar on a max contract. They also have Kevin Knox, Frank Ntilikina, Dennis Smith, Jr., and seven first–round picks over the next five years—those are trade assets for a third star.

    Skeptics will look at the Porzingis trade and tell you that the Knicks had better go sign Kevin Durant and another superstar, or else this will be a horrible mistake that will haunt the team for decades. Really? Come on, people.

    Four to five NBA teams have a shot to win the title in any given year, and the Knicks just put themselves in that conversation headed into next summer. That meant parting ways with Porzingis, an oft-injured quasi-superstar who has the spent the past two years moping and making demands as if he's a perennial All-NBA candidate. Even if Porzingis goes to Dallas and the medical staff keeps him on the court and he becomes a Hall of Famer—this might happen—the risk on New York's end has been overstated on all sides.“

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    Quote Originally Posted by htr10 View Post
    Original plan or not, I’m cautiously optimistic for this offseason. Either pull off the long shot and get 2 stars or get nobody, play for the lottery again next season, and use our cap space as a means to absorb other teams’ contracts if they also are going to send us draft picks.
    I'm good with it too, I'm more than okay if we don't land a Mega Star outside of who we draft. Another reason I think #kporzee wanted out because he knew sure as day he wasn't going to be DA MAN anymore, he would've had to make plenty room one way or another. Now he can go to Dallas and be a Co-equal or quite possibly DA MAN. One thing for sure we'll get to see how he meshes with a true talent in Donchiss

    Also what an odd set of circumstances,

    We trade the guy dubbed "Unicorn" by KD although he was probably more "My Little Pony" when adding injury history, yet the objective is to lure KD here? I bet if #kporzee was slandering us behind our back as some are reporting the first person he probably contacted was Snake Non Grata in KD
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    CLEARLY, no debating!

    Quote Originally Posted by mafra View Post
    SI article says this was the smart move:

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.si....-durant-rumors

    “It could backfire spectacularly, yes, but that's fine. The Knicks now have a chance to build an honest-to-god title contender this summer. That matters. Keeping Porzingis and playing things "smart" would have been a great way to impress NBA Twitter and then win 43 games next year. Purely from a process standpoint, this was the better play.

    The first way you can tell this trade was the right decision? The Boston Celtics and all their fans almost certainly hated it. Ditto for the Golden State Warriors. The Knicks began Thursday without enough cap space to sign Kevin Durant, and by Thursday afternoon they had $74.6 million to spend this summer—enough space to sign both Durant and an additional superstar on a max contract. They also have Kevin Knox, Frank Ntilikina, Dennis Smith, Jr., and seven first–round picks over the next five years—those are trade assets for a third star.

    Skeptics will look at the Porzingis trade and tell you that the Knicks had better go sign Kevin Durant and another superstar, or else this will be a horrible mistake that will haunt the team for decades. Really? Come on, people.

    Four to five NBA teams have a shot to win the title in any given year, and the Knicks just put themselves in that conversation headed into next summer. That meant parting ways with Porzingis, an oft-injured quasi-superstar who has the spent the past two years moping and making demands as if he's a perennial All-NBA candidate. Even if Porzingis goes to Dallas and the medical staff keeps him on the court and he becomes a Hall of Famer—this might happen—the risk on New York's end has been overstated on all sides.“

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    Tig or anyone else with Insider that can explain that ESPN front page story about us making a Durant, Irving, and AD “superteam”?
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    Quote Originally Posted by broadway View Post
    i'm good with it too, i'm more than okay if we don't land a mega star outside of who we draft. Another reason i think #kporzee wanted out because he knew sure as day he wasn't going to be da man anymore, he would've had to make plenty room one way or another. Now he can go to dallas and be a co-equal or quite possibly da man. One thing for sure we'll get to see how he meshes with a true talent in donchiss

    also what an odd set of circumstances,

    we trade the guy dubbed "unicorn" by kd although he was probably more "my little pony" when adding injury history, yet the objective is to lure kd here? I bet if #kporzee was slandering us behind our back as some are reporting the first person he probably contacted was snake non grata in kd
    lmao.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by htr10 View Post
    Tig or anyone else with Insider that can explain that ESPN front page story about us making a Durant, Irving, and AD “superteam”?
    Here's the Insider article with the possibilities. The defining event this off-season, draft Zion Williamson, he would be the catalyst that could set in motion signing some stars or even if we can't attract KD or Kyrie a Tim Duncan type player that could turn around the franchise even more so than Porzingis.
    


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    What kind of superteam could the New York Knicks put around Kevin Durantand Kyrie Irving?


    This week's events have made the idea of the Knicks signing two max free agents this summer seem far more realistic. First, New York created enough cap space to do so by dealing Kristaps Porzingis to the Dallas Mavericks on Thursday while also shedding the salaries of guards Tim Hardaway Jr. and Courtney Lee.


    On the heels of that move, Kyrie Irving walked back his preseason commitmentto re-sign with the Boston Celtics, opening the door to him potentially joining Durant -- also an unrestricted free agent this summer -- in New York.


    So just what would a Knicks team built around Durant and Irving look like? Could it include Anthony Davis too? Let's take a look at the dream scenarios for a Knicks superteam.


    Question 1: How much cap space will New York have?


    The answer is enough to sign both Durant and Irving, undoubtedly, though there are some variables to consider. The Knicks have just $15.3 million in 2019-20 salary committed at this point to four players: guards Frank Ntilikinaand Dennis Smith Jr., forward Kevin Knox and center Mitchell Robinson. Add in minimum-salary cap holds to fill out the roster plus the remaining money owed to Joakim Noah and New York could in theory create an unprecedented $80.1 million in room under a projected $109 million salary cap.


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    In practice, the Knicks won't need or want that much cap space, which would require declining their team option for guard Allonzo Trier, waiving guard Damyean Dotson and forward Lance Thomas (whose salaries are non-guaranteed), renouncing the rights to all of their free agents and trading this year's first-round pick.


    The projected number New York needs to get to is $70.85 million, which is required to sign a player with 10-plus years of experience (Durant) and a player with 7-9 years of experience (Irving) both to maximum contracts if the cap indeed comes in at $109 million. That would allow the Knicks to keep their pick, and where that falls will determine whether they can also keep Dotson, Trier and small cap holds for big men Luke Kornet (restricted) and Noah Vonleh (unrestricted).


    Question 2: Where will New York's pick fall?


    Besides affecting the team's cap space, the results of the lottery also will determine how potent a rookie the Knicks could add to a Durant-Irving core. All year long, visions of Duke star Zion Williamson playing at Madison Square Garden have danced through fans' heads. Williamson would be a worthy part of a superteam, and is the top pick best equipped to help New York win immediately as the NCAA's leader in Basketball-Reference.com's box plus-minus metric.


    Naturally, Williamson comfortably leads all collegiate players in my draft projections, which incorporate where a player sits in ESPN's top 100 rankings. Unfortunately for the Knicks, the No. 2 prospect is Murray State point guard Ja Morant, a talented player who wouldn't be a good long-term fit for a team with Irving. So while I don't buy the narrative that this is a one-player draft, particularly as a rationale for devaluing picks besides the No. 1 overall selection, that might be the case from the standpoint of New York adding someone who can really help win next year.


    With this year's new lottery odds, the best a team can do is a 14 percent chance of landing the No. 1 overall pick. To even get that, the Knicks would have to finish with a bottom-three record -- no certainty even as they currently sit last in the league. Three other teams (the Chicago Bulls, Cleveland Cavaliers and Phoenix Suns) are within two wins of New York. Additionally, the lottery changes mean the team with the worst record is guaranteed no better than the No. 5 pick, a spot later than before. As a result, projections based on ESPN's Basketball Power Index show the No. 4 pick as the average outcome for New York and the No. 5 or No. 6 picks as most likely.


    Question 3: Could the Knicks trade for Anthony Davis too?


    Hypothetically, yes. New York's path to three superstar players would require signing Durant and Irving first to exhaust the team's cap space, then trading just about everything else to the New Orleans Pelicans to match Davis' $27.1 million salary. The Knicks would have to send back $21.6 million in salary, and as noted earlier that's more than all their currently guaranteed 2019-20 contracts combined.


    Realistically, this year's pick would have to be part of any Davis trade, and New York could use the same strategy as the Cleveland Cavaliers did with Andrew Wiggins in 2014 by signing the pick first and subsequently trading him 30 days later when his salary counts for matching purposes.


    If the Knicks got the No. 5 pick (which carries a projected starting salary of $6.3 million), a package of the pick, Dotson, Knox, Ntilikina and Smith would just barely be enough to make a legal trade. It's possible an offer like that -- which might also include the future picks New York acquired in the Porzingis deal -- could interest the Pelicans if they don't want to trade Davis to the conference rival L.A. Lakers and the Celtics no longer bid as aggressively because of Irving's departure.


    Question 4: How could the Knicks fill out the roster?


    Setting aside the possibility of a Davis trade, let's imagine the more conventional scenario where New York signs Durant and Irving outright while retaining the young talent on the roster. That would give the Knicks a depth chart something like this:


    PG: Irving/Smith
    SG: Ntilikina/Trier/Dotson
    SF: Knox
    PF: Durant
    C: Robinson/Kornet


    New York's lottery pick also would be in the mix, but there's a glaring hole on the wing (or at power forward if Durant prefers to play the 3). The Knicks would then have only the room midlevel exception, projected at $4.8 million, to offer free agents more than the veterans minimum. New York probably would want to earmark that money for a veteran wing who could rebuild his value playing for a contender. Wesley Matthews, acquired in the Porzingis trade, could be a candidate for that spot if his market craters, with DeMarre Carroll a more realistic possibility.


    The Knicks also could look to trade some of their young players for veterans who could help them win now. Smith, blocked on the depth chart by Irving's arrival, would be an obvious trade candidate -- particularly if he can improve his value with a strong finish to the season.


    Barring a blockbuster trade or winning the lottery, I don't think New York would be a championship contender next season with Durant and Irving. Despite the fact that they might be the league's best duo depending where Davis goes, the Knicks would have an almost unprecedented drop-off from their best two players to their third-best. (It's unclear who that player would even be.)


    The problem is New York's recent lottery picks have yet to produce returns on their potential. Though Ntilikina has impressed defensively, he doesn't contribute enough offense to stay on the court for a contending team. His .419 true shooting percentage this season is worst among players with at least 500 minutes of action, per Basketball-Reference.com, and nobody else is even close. The next-worst mark in this group is Jonathon Simmons' .445 true shooting.


    With a .474 true shooting percentage, Knox hasn't been much more efficient as a rookie. That will surely improve, particularly if he's not asked to create as much of his own offense, but Knox's contributions elsewhere in the box score are also limited. His combined averages of 2.3 assists, blocks and steals per 36 minutes are third-lowest among players with at least 500 minutes this season, ahead of only Alfonzo McKinnie and Gerald Green. As a result, Knox ranks last among small forwards in ESPN's real plus-minus. (Ntilikina is second from the bottom at point guard.)


    So while Durant and Irving would surely lift the Knicks back into the playoffs, to build a contending team New York will either have to get lucky in the lottery or convince another team to value Knox and Ntilikina as highly as they were selected.
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    Thanks for posting that, Tig.

    Sounds like we could have a superteam of Durant, Irving, and AD with the rest of our roster filled out with mannequins. Someone get Pat Riley in here to figure this out for us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by htr10 View Post
    Thanks for posting that, Tig.

    Sounds like we could have a superteam of Durant, Irving, and AD with the rest of our roster filled out with mannequins. Someone get Pat Riley in here to figure this out for us.
    I'd faint if the Knicks could pull off signing KD and Kyrie with the remaining roster.

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    we will have to trade the whole team to match salaries for AD ( i think u need to match salaries)... then we sign durant and irving - we need 5 guys and a bench.. who may those guys be??

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    Quote Originally Posted by paris401 View Post
    we will have to trade the whole team to match salaries for AD ( i think u need to match salaries)... then we sign durant and irving - we need 5 guys and a bench.. who may those guys be??
    In that ESPN dream scenario, we’d have to sign KD and KI, then trade the entire team we have left including our 2019 1st round pick to get AD. Based on what Miami had to do with their Lebron/Wade/Bosh superteam, rest of roster would have to be veterans willing to play for the minimum and 2nd round/undrafted rookies. Literally only Pat Riley could have made something like that work.

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    Boston is now in a pickle



    Pels probably drag this out for a while, don't see him being traded anytime soon

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    Now Cuban is saying that KP likely won’t play this season. WTF. I thought that was supposed to have been a point of contention between KP and our front office.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Broadway View Post
    Boston is now in a pickle



    Pels probably drag this out for a while, don't see him being traded anytime soon
    Ha ha! Suck it, Celtics! I love AD’s dad now.

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