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    Quote Originally Posted by Broadway View Post
    DA MEDIA over blew this as usual, nothing to see here...moving right along

    I can't buy all the NO tanking talk without looking at our own team in the mirror likewise. Look no further than Knits and DSJ injuries and how fans blew gaskets how Fitz was treating them in fav of Mudiay. We kept M-Rob and Trier out for long stretches during the season. There were also rumors #kporzee wanted to play but we wouldn't let him. Many teams were culpable here, be thankful we're picking 3 and not 5

    Sour Graping every time we come up short just comes off disingenuous. Look sometimes you lose it is what it is. Suns Cavs Bulls paid for their sins gravely. There were other camera angles and it showed Zion laughing being cool at the time of announcement. If anything it was Barrett who seemed to be more the one trying to clown the moment
    Iím not sour, not one bit. Not an iota of sourness in me bones. Did my post come off sour? Iím just laughing at DA MEDIA for how theyíre trying to run with the narrative of this lottery being an indictment on teams who tank.

    Should the system reward inept management? Like LAK? Trade Russell, let go of Randall and Lopez?

    When NO sat AD in 4th off LAK game... tank or not tank?

    Again, what my post meant was that the hard cap is what motivates tanking... not draft position.

    Should NYK sign another Curry? When you bring in upgrade via free agency you must overpay. Overpay too much and you screw your cap space and prohibit yourself from really improving.

    Now, sitting players is sorry and shouldnít occur.

    I LoVe having teams on the rise who have talent and are on verge bring in position to grab top pick. These teams can go from talented to title worthy whereas the process makes bad team average.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mafra View Post
    I’m not sour, not one bit. Not an iota of sourness in me bones. Did my post come off sour? I’m just laughing at DA MEDIA for how they’re trying to run with the narrative of this lottery being an indictment on teams who tank.

    Should the system reward inept management? Like LAK? Trade Russell, let go of Randall and Lopez?

    When NO sat AD in 4th off LAK game... tank or not tank?

    Again, what my post meant was that the hard cap is what motivates tanking... not draft position.

    Should NYK sign another Curry? When you bring in upgrade via free agency you must overpay. Overpay too much and you screw your cap space and prohibit yourself from really improving.

    Now, sitting players is sorry and shouldn’t occur.

    I LoVe having teams on the rise who have talent and are on verge bring in position to grab top pick. These teams can go from talented to title worthy whereas the process makes bad team average.
    Maybe so Maf but the whole point of growth and parity in the NBA is to keep stars/top tier players in the city they were drafted. Why allow place for teams to get lucky in stacking the deck? I like the free agency system because guess what YOU DON'T HAVE TO OVERPAY...only organizations that are ran poorly do this. You brought up Lopez which really he's been above average during his career ...wasn't too long ago he was on a team regularly trashed on this board in the Nets. He has a couple good playoff games on a team already on the rise before he got there and now it's OMG with him. Did Bucks overpay to sign him though...same for Connaughton? NOPE!

    There's no such thing as rewarding teams either. We have yrs of draft intel to look at to draw our own informed conclusions. Besides maybe the Cavs being the most suspicious of circumstances usually teams that move up finished between records 5-10. Since the odds shifted slightly more favorable for the middle of lottery you probably could extend this an extra spot. Grizz moved up too. That's how the lottery is supposed to work. It shouldn't be a foregone conclusion that if you end up Top 3 you remain Top 3. Lakers and Grizzlies got lucky

    Not if teams draft correctly. Warriors and Sixers were near laughingstock teams 8yrs ago, not anymore. Denver did exactly that. We could have a Donovan Mitchell and Devin Booker back court. Again look at draft history and where mistakes were made. No one forces teams to sign the players they do. The NBA did not tell us to sign THJR when no one else would give him a deal and really the more current trend is teams trading for players right before they hit their new deal when stock is fairly low but following up with overpaying them or their own free agents. Again the NBA did not tell teams to do this
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    Quote Originally Posted by mafra View Post
    I’m not sour, not one bit. Not an iota of sourness in me bones. Did my post come off sour? I’m just laughing at DA MEDIA for how they’re trying to run with the narrative of this lottery being an indictment on teams who tank.

    Should the system reward inept management? Like LAK? Trade Russell, let go of Randall and Lopez?

    When NO sat AD in 4th off LAK game... tank or not tank?

    Again, what my post meant was that the hard cap is what motivates tanking... not draft position.

    Should NYK sign another Curry? When you bring in upgrade via free agency you must overpay. Overpay too much and you screw your cap space and prohibit yourself from really improving.

    Now, sitting players is sorry and shouldn’t occur.

    I LoVe having teams on the rise who have talent and are on verge bring in position to grab top pick. These teams can go from talented to title worthy whereas the process makes bad team average.
    Sorry for double posts, had technical difficulties yesterday
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    Quote Originally Posted by Broadway View Post
    DA MEDIA over blew this as usual, nothing to see here...moving right along

    I can't buy all the NO tanking talk without looking at our own team in the mirror likewise. Look no further than Knits and DSJ injuries and how fans blew gaskets how Fitz was treating them in fav of Mudiay. We kept M-Rob and Trier out for long stretches during the season. There were also rumors #kporzee wanted to play but we wouldn't let him. Many teams were culpable here, be thankful we're picking 3 and not 5

    Sour Graping every time we come up short just comes off disingenuous. Look sometimes you lose it is what it is. Suns Cavs Bulls paid for their sins gravely. There were other camera angles and it showed Zion laughing being cool at the time of announcement. If anything it was Barrett who seemed to be more the one trying to clown the moment
    The Media has been doing their best not to pity the Knicks fans for a 17 win season turning out to be a 3rd pick (Ja Morant), another young guard added to the Knicks young-core of guards on the roster .. Frank/DSJr/Trier/Dotson/ Ja/ plus signing shoot-first no chemistry Kyrie.
    Plus the Knicks will have the best TANKING head-coach in the business Fizdale next season.

    Zion did not want to show his happiness of being drafted by a winning Pelican's team having a super-star AD, that will take him to the NBA playoffs in his rookie season.
    Barrett played it Kool, knowing he will be running the same plays next season with Jaren Jackson Jr. on the Memphis Grizz for a good shot at making the NBA playoffs in his rookie season.

    Both Zion and Barrett are happy Silvers fix the Lottery for LOSER teams to only have 14% a chance of getting the 1st and 2nd pick of the draft.

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    Thereís a reason why there is less parity in NBA than other sports. Thereís a reason why 2-4 teams have a shot every decade or so.... I think thereís been like 12 teams to win a title last 40 years.

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    P&T reports:

    So, what does all that mean? Well, (shameless plug) I spoke with Marc Berman of the New York Post on Locked On Knicks today, and he seemed to think maybe Knicks brass is being withholding right now because theyíre working on a trade for that third pick, and donít want to talk up Morant and Barrett only to ship the pick off.

    ďIn and out of the hotel [Perry and Mills] said they canít talk [to the media], and were not even willing to chit-chat. They were in a big, big hurry... My sense on why theyíre not talking to us right now is, they donít want to build up this third pick because they may trade it. They donít want to start talking about RJ Barrett in the media when he could be part of an AD package.Ē

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    Quote Originally Posted by mafra View Post
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    So, what does all that mean? Well, (shameless plug) I spoke with Marc Berman of the New York Post on Locked On Knicks today, and he seemed to think maybe Knicks brass is being withholding right now because they’re working on a trade for that third pick, and don’t want to talk up Morant and Barrett only to ship the pick off.

    “In and out of the hotel [Perry and Mills] said they can’t talk [to the media], and were not even willing to chit-chat. They were in a big, big hurry... My sense on why they’re not talking to us right now is, they don’t want to build up this third pick because they may trade it. They don’t want to start talking about RJ Barrett in the media when he could be part of an AD package.”
    Yes yes .. i do not want to know any of Mill/Perry FOOLISHNESS a head of time .. i have no confidence in the two knuckle-heads doing something to make the Knicks a winning team. Especially Mills !!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mafra View Post
    P&T reports:

    So, what does all that mean? Well, (shameless plug) I spoke with Marc Berman of the New York Post on Locked On Knicks today, and he seemed to think maybe Knicks brass is being withholding right now because theyíre working on a trade for that third pick, and donít want to talk up Morant and Barrett only to ship the pick off.

    ďIn and out of the hotel [Perry and Mills] said they canít talk [to the media], and were not even willing to chit-chat. They were in a big, big hurry... My sense on why theyíre not talking to us right now is, they donít want to build up this third pick because they may trade it. They donít want to start talking about RJ Barrett in the media when he could be part of an AD package.Ē
    Hard to figure what weíre doing. Knicks have met with Jarrett Culver and Cam Reddish in addition to Ja and RJ. Doesnít make sense unless trading down is a possibility, unless our front office is just bored and trying to look thorough. Imagine we trade down and end up with Cam instead of RJ? Broadway would implode.

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    Quote Originally Posted by htr10 View Post
    Hard to figure what weíre doing. Knicks have met with Jarrett Culver and Cam Reddish in addition to Ja and RJ. Doesnít make sense unless trading down is a possibility, unless our front office is just bored and trying to look thorough. Imagine we trade down and end up with Cam instead of RJ? Broadway would implode.
    A trade shouldnít happen until late July. You canít trade down unless you are building a roster around KD. Knicks wonít know about KD until the draft.

    Trade down for a Beal type player only makes sense if we know KI and KD coming.

    Otherwise, you take RJ and build around him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mafra View Post
    A trade shouldnít happen until late July. You canít trade down unless you are building a roster around KD. Knicks wonít know about KD until the draft.

    Trade down for a Beal type player only makes sense if we know KI and KD coming.

    Otherwise, you take RJ and build around him.
    I think our front office knows without a question whether or not KD is coming here in the offseason. I also think there is a very, very good chance they are trying to figure out a trade with Griff involving RJ and a lot of other assets for AD.

    Griff has already blown off the Lakers and I get the feeling Boston is not going to go all-in on a AD trade if they think Kyrie is leaving (he is without a doubt leaving after how he acted in that playoff series).

    AD wore the ďThatís All FolksĒ shirt in his final game as a Pelican for a reason. ADís camp already said that getting Zion does nothing to make him want to stay in NO.

    There are just so few pieces on the board that Mills, Perry, and Griff have to be talking. We may never know the truth if they canít come to terms, but itís the only explanation that makes sense to me to explain our front office literally ducking the media at every turn.

    On the flip side, other teams are almost certainly approaching our front office to see what it would take to trade up to our #3 pick. Maybe thatís why we are feeling out guys like Cam and Culver.

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    Personally, I take RJ over Ingram and Tatum. I watched all 3 at Duke and Barrett was the better player. Barrett also fits the Zion rebuild timeline.... and they were both teammates at Duke.

    I prefer Robinson to Kuzma or Brown, because he fits well with Zion-RJ front court. Zion and Robinson blocking shots and catching dunks with RJ as point forward.

    Robinson is from Louisiana .. so thereís sign-ability there. LAK players are only under contract for 2-3 years... RJ under team control for 5.

    It all depends on how DG views RJ/MR... he may value this 2 more than top 2 BOS or LAK can offer.

    Iím cool just setting the foundation on RJ an MR myself. We better not make a foolish trade. Remember, RJ one of the most celebrated HS players since LeBron.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mafra View Post
    Personally, I take RJ over Ingram and Tatum. I watched all 3 at Duke and Barrett was the better player. Barrett also fits the Zion rebuild timeline.... and they were both teammates at Duke.

    I prefer Robinson to Kuzma or Brown, because he fits well with Zion-RJ front court. Zion and Robinson blocking shots and catching dunks with RJ as point forward.

    Robinson is from Louisiana .. so thereís sign-ability there. LAK players are only under contract for 2-3 years... RJ under team control for 5.

    It all depends on how DG views RJ/MR... he may value this 2 more than top 2 BOS or LAK can offer.

    Iím cool just setting the foundation on RJ an MR myself. We better not make a foolish trade. Remember, RJ one of the most celebrated HS players since LeBron.
    Itís a horrible thing for me to say, but maybe the biggest reason that I think that we might be able to pull off an AD trade is because it would probably end up being an awful move for this franchise. Weíd give up two potential future stars (RJ and MRob) and go from having 3 1st round picks in the next 2 years to only having 1.

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    I totally agree. However, with that said, given that AD and KI are both under 27.... and getting AD means you will easily sign KD.... you have to do it.

    Only reason I balk is if they want a Melo type prospect of all my assets. Iíve been down that road.

    In this case, a bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush. We know KD can be a lead dawg if he has 2 legit star sidekicks and thatís what AD and KI are best suited to be.

    But, like I said, thereís a limit and Iím prepared to walk away. RJ and MR plus Knits or DSJ and 2 picks. This is as far as I go...

    KD May be on his way here but what happens when he hears LAC or BkLn pitch? What if he meets Dolan and is put off? If AD is here... well... itís a great recruiting pitch.

    Thatís the move to win now.

    RJ and gang may take 3 more years... who know.

    But, again, no way we sell the farm. Let somebody else do that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mafra View Post
    Thereís a reason why there is less parity in NBA than other sports. Thereís a reason why 2-4 teams have a shot every decade or so.... I think thereís been like 12 teams to win a title last 40 years.
    Actually by way of regular season records the NBA is becoming more paired, What jacks it up is this new generation of athletes Super Teaming up, eliminating the 5gm series, and to a lesser degree 7gm series and you have to have the best players on your team.

    Miami and GSW did not overpay to acquire Durant and Lebron you know this right? I don't think Cleveland did either to reacquire Lebron, I'll have to look into that again

    The last thing the NBA will look into in terms of competition committee is eliminating "Divisions" and going strictly by regular season record finishing, then pairing post season opponents. Once this happens the NBA might just become the best league of all sports, because odds can increase in winning for other teams

    One of the reasons Lebron is opposed to it

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