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    Nyk Logo The Knicks Process: Where do we go from here?

    Though the NBA draft is yet a few days on the horizon, a lot has happened in the few days to effect the Knicks rebuilding process. So let's review.

    1. Our dreams of obtaining the number one pick, Zion Williamson, went up in smoke. I mean we only had a 14% chance anyway, but after what us Knicks fans have been through over the past two decades, we at least could dream about it. So we end up with the number 3 pick. Not what we wanted, but unless we trade down, its looking like RJ Barrett. I guess that will be a nice consolation prize. We will tell ourselves that coming out of high school that RJ was actually ranked HIGHER than Zion. But that is just rubbing salve on the wound don't you think.

    2. Durant is now out for at least a year after tearing his achilles. Gulp!!!! This is a killer folks. Chalk this up to more Knicks jinx, snake-bitten, bad luck, and any other synonyms you want to put on this. For once we have a bona fide star that wants to come here in his prime. We don't have to empty the cupboard like we did for Melo because KD is a free agent. We have the $$$$. Then this. All I can say is um um um figures just our luck. Some will be in the camp of sign KD anyway. I am not in that camp. Being a KC Chiefs fan, I have seen what this injury does to a players career first hand in Eric Berry. EB beat cancer and came back to All-Pro NFL level, but the achilles did him in. To the point where the Chiefs released Eric Berry, taking a huge cap hit in the process, and EB to this point is still a free agent. My last glimpse of EB in a Chiefs uniform is him getting burned by now retired GRONK in the AFC Championship game. We were one play away from the Superbowl, and our former All Pro, Eric Berry, couldn't make it after that achilles injury. Plus, after this injury, Durant is going to want to secure his future. I get that. But we have been down this road before with Antonio McDyess and STAT. Lets not make those mistakes again.

    3. Anthony Davis has signed with the Lakers. Word on the street is the Lakers didn't like the young talent we had to offer. This is a double whammy because that also lets you know where you are in the process. We now know for sure the now that the Knits is a bust because no one wants him. Thanks Fail-Jackson. In one sense I'm happy because AD wouldn't have improved our fortunes enough and we can keep what young talent we have. But it looks like our young talent isn't worth too much, at least according to the Lakers.

    So where are we now? Assuming we pick RJ with our 3rd pick, where does that leave us? A bunch of young talent with question marks and a lot of $$$ to waste/ spend? Your thoughts?

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    We know we are getting Zion, Ja, or RJ. Any talk about trading down or out ended when KD ruptured his Achilles.

    If you read what the tax bill will be if GSW re-sign both KD and KT, then you understand why that ainít likely to happen.

    So, I think NYK Hans KD a max and he takes it. I doubt he opts in, personally, b/c a max is better than just 30 mil. Hey, you never know.

    Laker situation makes it tough, b/c trade canít go down for a bit... NY wonít know if AD signs an extension before free agency begins... but they have to operate as if he will. LA, LeBron and cap space means AD ainít bolting.

    So... I go hard after Kawhi and pray. I pursue Kemba / Kyrie as plan-B. I wouldnít go bonkers for either free agent PG, unless KD orders me too.

    So, assuming we get KD and nothing else...

    Next year free agency doesnít impress me much... so, I wouldnít wait another year and preserve cap space.

    Where does this leave NY?

    I think RJ is a 2. Knox a 3.

    DSJ appears to be our PG and MRob our center.

    Obviously, the hole here is stretch 4. Where to find a partner in the post for Mitch? Sign Randle? Trade for Favors? Draft Taco? Go Morris route?

    I like Morris as a culture grit guy. Can knock down a 3. Randle is a lottery ticket, so heís on my radar.

    Then, we need to decide what to we need? Shooting? A PG? A real SF?

    We may have moved past Knits but we ainít gone with Knox and DSJ.

    Ergo:

    DSJ, RJ, Knox, Mitch

    Trier, Dotson

    KD out a season.


    Do we sign a legit starter? Go for roll the dice guys? I have to believe the Morris, Danny Green type role players will latch on to winning teams, not us.

    So, if you donít want to sign a Randall or Russell... do you swallow bad contracts for future assets? Take a overpriced vet for future picks?

    It all depends on KD...

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    Iím in the minority, but I could live with a season of watching RJ, MRob, DSJ, Knox, Trier, Dotson, and Ntilikina on our way to another lottery pick. If we have Durant waiting in the wings, even better. Our front office is trying to get us out from under two decades of mismanagement. Itís going to take time. 6 1st round picks in 4 years will help. PJax pissing away what would have been an early 2nd round pick this draft is a real bummer.

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    I agree. Build this the right way and let the kids learn on the fly, and grow together.

    One way to look at it is that this rebuild is nearly complete, now itís up to coaching and the players.

    DSJ-RJ-Knox-Mitch and the rest should be fun. I would look to sign a savvy vet to help guide them along... but maybe KD can be that even without playing.

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    1 potential hiccup, if youíre rooting hard for RJ:

    The Pelicans could still have a hand in the Knicksí future.

    Following the Anthony Davis trade with the Lakers, New Orleans holds the fourth pick in Thursdayís draft and is exploring all sorts of options.

    According to an NBA source, New Orleans has explored moving back to gain more assets and also had internal talks about moving up to the second pick to take Memphisí selection and draft RJ Barrett to team with his Duke compadre Zion Williamson. Barrett and Williamson are best friends.

    That trade-up maneuver, however unlikely, would allow Murray Stateís Ja Morant to fall to the Knicks at No. 3. The Knicks had Morant higher on their board than Barrett at the Chicago combine, but that also was before Morant recently underwent knee surgery.

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    Interesting. I could see Griff being that aggressive to get RJ now that it isnít part of an AD trade.

    Just read a blurb online that said Perry is ďdelightedĒ to draft either RJ or Ja Morant. I kind of feel the same way. Ja and DSJ donít fit together on paper, but other teams have shown that you can never have too many ballhandlers, only too few.

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    What people are underestimating is their competitiveness. Both players possess that coach-ability and professionalism required from your star player, to establish the winning locker room
    environment. They hate losing. They work hard. That want to win. They hate losing. They want to rip your throat out on the court.

    Most players at this level have skill and talent but itís the will that separates the greats from the flock.

    We canít go wrong either way... but, from a roster and NYC fit... RJ all the way, even if Ja has more upside bc of his athleticism.

    Not sure what NO would have to surrender to get to 2... I imagine it starts with Ball or Hart plus multiple picks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by htr10 View Post
    Iím in the minority, but I could live with a season of watching RJ, MRob, DSJ, Knox, Trier, Dotson, and Ntilikina on our way to another lottery pick. If we have Durant waiting in the wings, even better. Our front office is trying to get us out from under two decades of mismanagement. Itís going to take time. 6 1st round picks in 4 years will help. PJax pissing away what would have been an early 2nd round pick this draft is a real bummer.
    The stench of Fail-Jackson lingers has to be none of the worst missteps in sports history hiring him as GM/Team President. Really continue the process donít commit to anything until the young core develops together be in it for the long haul now...

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    We’ll see what happens with the Lakers but I’m envious of how they have reshaped the roster with LeBron and AD. Instantly turned around the odds of them winning a ring with them now a 3-1 favorite to win it all next season.
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    Idiotic article on NY Daily News says we should absorb CP3, to help groom DSJ. Even if we can only fetch 1 first rounder. They cited the 4 first rounders HOU offered to Minny for Butler as another option.

    Heíll NO! Not even if they tossed in Capela.

    I mean, if everybody (even KD) rejects Ny and HOU offers 4 first rounders and a young player.... maybe I consider it then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mafra View Post
    Idiotic article on NY Daily News says we should absorb CP3, to help groom DSJ. Even if we can only fetch 1 first rounder. They cited the 4 first rounders HOU offered to Minny for Butler as another option.

    He’ll NO! Not even if they tossed in Capela.

    I mean, if everybody (even KD) rejects Ny and HOU offers 4 first rounders and a young player.... maybe I consider it then.
    CP3 coming to NY ain’t ever going to happen, thank heaven but the news that Al Horford is opting out which may spur the Celts to trade for Capela is interesting. Would the Knicks be interested in Al, anybody see a fit for Al in NY.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tiger0330 View Post
    CP3 coming to NY ainít ever going to happen, thank heaven but the news that Al Horford is opting out which may spur the Celts to trade for Capela is interesting. Would the Knicks be interested in Al, anybody see a fit for Al in NY.
    I donít think Horford would come here, but even if he did want to come here, Iíd rather stick with DeAndre Jordan if we are going to sign a veteran big man. DJ is a few years younger and paid his dues with his us last year, even when he could have asked to be given the chance to go to a contender. DJ is still an elite rebounder and defender.

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    Tim Legler on Garland and RJ.... he coached Garland at some all star event... says Garland is a freakish athletes, blazing speed with nasty handle and rains deep 3s.... Says RJ a win... talented... but there are 50 other RJ types in NBA.

    Man, Barrett gets zero respect. They underestimate what I love best from RJ... Barrett is Kobe-MJ type of competitor... and heís an iron man.

    Garland, Ja, Zion... all injured guys.

    Now, if you love Garland... and bc heís a PG... then trade back with NO and get their first next season (lottery pick).

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    My question is, we are all talking about RJ, but it looks like there is a chance we get JA instead if they Selected RJ second, so why nobody is talking about JA, is it a possibility? is he good?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimkcchief88 View Post
    We now know for sure the now that the Knits is a bust because no one wants him. T
    u needed the lakers to validate that he sucks??? -

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