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    If last season is our guide it's going to take 1/2 season before Fizdale figures out what to do with the lineup. Will he play the young guys esp RJ to hasten their development or the guys we just signed? I'd like to see the Knicks get off to a fast start and I think we have the best chance with a starting 5 of Payton, Bullock, MRob, Randle and I'm hoping RJ shows enough in the pre-season to win the job of our starting SG.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimkcchief88 View Post
    Good to have you back Donchris. It’s like long lost family we all meet up and catch up at a funeral. I agree with you that Durant should have been off our list after the injury. Check my posts on that. But like Mafra said above, we missed on EVERYBODY! Even the Heat got JimmyBuckets! We came away with nothing. One starting power forward, two back up power forwards, and a journeyman guard. Awful. Is this team better than last year? We will see. Like you said at least they are on short term deals. And did we even get a meeting with “The Claw” or did he just say thanks but no thanks. You dang right Mills owed us an apology and a resignation should have followed quickly. That type crap has failed this franchise for years. No accountability. And Melo got vilified for actually WANTING to play in MSG for our Knicks?
    Like family catching up at a funeral. So true
    IMO, this was really a two or three man free agency, in terms of impact for bad teams. Durant, when healthy could change things. Kawhi could change things. Kyrie lost stock and fan confidence in Boston and Durant got hurt. The ultimate prize is really Kawhi, but we didn't have a shot at him. So the best use of this cap space, regardless of what crying man, Jordan, ah, Stephen A Smith says is getting depth and all things considered, we got depth.

    Jimmy Dolan is an easy target, but this one's really his fault. He raised expectations for the media to raise expectations for us getting another big name.

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    I think the Knicks did a great job. Resisting the pressure to trade everybody for AD and to sign an injured player to a max deal. This is a rebuild, not a quick fix. Everybody wants instant championships, nobody wants to actually put in the work. We've signed guys who actually want to be here and are not scared of the spotlight. NY has always been a bargaining chip/threat to get other teams to acquiesce.

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    I think we really need to see DSJ explode this season, ala D-Russell.

    Look, we know KP will resemble an MVP Oct-Dec.... the laughter and derisive jeers will continue to rain on us NYK fans from the national media....

    We also know KP will turn into a pumpkin, when rigors of season catch up... and he’ll be meh after Jan...

    None of that will matter, to us fans, if Dennis’s Smith Jr becomes an offensive dynamo. It would certainly soften the blow...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mafra View Post
    I think we really need to see DSJ explode this season, ala D-Russell.

    Look, we know KP will resemble an MVP Oct-Dec.... the laughter and derisive jeers will continue to rain on us NYK fans from the national media....

    We also know KP will turn into a pumpkin, when rigors of season catch up... and he’ll be meh after Jan...

    None of that will matter, to us fans, if Dennis’s Smith Jr becomes an offensive dynamo. It would certainly soften the blow...
    Fizdale needs to make sure DSJ gets his chance. The addition of Payton makes me wonder whether this is going to happen or not. At the same time, if Payton turns a corner this season, maybe he is the guy to back at only 25-years-old.

    Good news is that we have both guys under control for 2 seasons with a team option in 2020-21. Don’t have to rush to judgment like we sort of did with Mudiay. Sad reality is that Mudiay could have ended up being the best of the 3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by htr10 View Post
    Fizdale needs to make sure DSJ gets his chance. The addition of Payton makes me wonder whether this is going to happen or not. At the same time, if Payton turns a corner this season, maybe he is the guy to back at only 25-years-old.

    Good news is that we have both guys under control for 2 seasons with a team option in 2020-21. Don’t have to rush to judgment like we sort of did with Mudiay. Sad reality is that Mudiay could have ended up being the best of the 3.
    Payton can’t shoot worth a damn but he’s an upgrade at the position over Mudiay, better defender, better passer, should have better ball movement with him. We overpaid him at 8M/yr but that was the price to get him on a 1 yr deal with a team option for his second. I think Fiz gives Payton the nod over DSJ as the starter for his D and passing, DSJ best chance is to exploit Paytons shooting weakness and become the knock down shooter EP isn’t if he wants the starting PG spot.

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    The Knicks haven't had a single first-round pick get a multiyear second contract with the franchise since Charlie Ward, who was drafted 25 years ago.

    This fact suggests we should’ve taken back contracts for picks... but getting young assets (lottery prospects) and 3 vets (to help shape mentality) isn’t a bad idea either.

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    The newest Knick, Bobby Portis, has become a health-food fanatic and workout demon. He has a stake in a healthy-snack company and is known for his 12-hour workouts in June and July in the Los Angeles suburbs when many NBA players are taking it easy.

    That is why, during Dwyane Wade’s miscast 2016-17 season in Chicago, the 6-foot-11 Bulls power forward got his hackles up when the Miami legend famously called out the young Bulls to the press for not working hard enough after a loss. The next day, a team meeting was staged, with Wade explaining his comments to his teammates. According to an NBA source, as Wade talked, Portis stared him down.

    “Wade finally says, ‘What’s up, Bobby?’’’ the NBA source said. “Bobby laid into him, saying, ‘You might be a better player, but don’t ever challenge my work ethic.’ He accused Wade of not working hard enough by not practicing.’’


    The fire in Portis’ belly is one reason the Knicks on Sunday lavished a whopping one-year, $15 million deal on Portis with a second year as a team option. That came despite Portis being a backup through much of his rookie contract.

    “Bobby is truly the hardest-worker type,’’ the source said. “Not just that he says it. That’s why he got frustrated and snapped at Wade.’’

    “Actually Bobby’s usually a fun guy and that fight was an aberration,” the source said. “It was more Mirotic trying to show he was a tough guy in the locker room. Portis was told that day by someone the Bulls were going to make Mirotic the starter even though Bobby was beating him out. They wanted to showcase Mirotic. It was regretful. Players were a lot closer to Bobby.’


    “He couldn’t shoot at all when he came to the team and has developed a nice shot,’’ the source said. “But it’s a black hole. He rarely passes.’’

    Most scouts see a backup player or marginal starter. Portis, whose goal is to be an NBA scout after retirement and who has a stake in a stat analytical firm, has come off the bench in 200 of his 249 games. Julius Randle, also signed by the Knicks on Sunday, is slated to start at power forward with second-year man Mitchell Robinson at center.

    Knicks coach David Fizdale, who is close with Wade, is said to love Portis’ passion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mafra View Post
    The newest Knick, Bobby Portis, has become a health-food fanatic and workout demon. He has a stake in a healthy-snack company and is known for his 12-hour workouts in June and July in the Los Angeles suburbs when many NBA players are taking it easy.

    That is why, during Dwyane Wade’s miscast 2016-17 season in Chicago, the 6-foot-11 Bulls power forward got his hackles up when the Miami legend famously called out the young Bulls to the press for not working hard enough after a loss. The next day, a team meeting was staged, with Wade explaining his comments to his teammates. According to an NBA source, as Wade talked, Portis stared him down.

    “Wade finally says, ‘What’s up, Bobby?’’’ the NBA source said. “Bobby laid into him, saying, ‘You might be a better player, but don’t ever challenge my work ethic.’ He accused Wade of not working hard enough by not practicing.’’


    The fire in Portis’ belly is one reason the Knicks on Sunday lavished a whopping one-year, $15 million deal on Portis with a second year as a team option. That came despite Portis being a backup through much of his rookie contract.

    “Bobby is truly the hardest-worker type,’’ the source said. “Not just that he says it. That’s why he got frustrated and snapped at Wade.’’

    “Actually Bobby’s usually a fun guy and that fight was an aberration,” the source said. “It was more Mirotic trying to show he was a tough guy in the locker room. Portis was told that day by someone the Bulls were going to make Mirotic the starter even though Bobby was beating him out. They wanted to showcase Mirotic. It was regretful. Players were a lot closer to Bobby.’


    “He couldn’t shoot at all when he came to the team and has developed a nice shot,’’ the source said. “But it’s a black hole. He rarely passes.’’

    Most scouts see a backup player or marginal starter. Portis, whose goal is to be an NBA scout after retirement and who has a stake in a stat analytical firm, has come off the bench in 200 of his 249 games. Julius Randle, also signed by the Knicks on Sunday, is slated to start at power forward with second-year man Mitchell Robinson at center.

    Knicks coach David Fizdale, who is close with Wade, is said to love Portis’ passion.
    Portis is very athletic I think SEC player of the year(I double checked SEC player of the year 2015). Bulls stole him late in the 1st round, but never really gave him a real chance. That was part of the beef between Portis and Mirotic. Then I guess Mirotic tried to punk Bobby on top of that and the rest is history. So Bobby is tough for sure no nonsense and is a surprisingly good 3 point shooter. So goes the life of us long suffering Knicks fans. It’s like that old SNL skit:”lowered expectations”

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    You know what I like about Bullock, Gibson, Ellington, and Portis, and Randle?

    All of them are players whose NBA careers took some time to develop.

    Bullock - traded twice, sent down to the D League, and it wasn't until his 3rd year in Detroit that Stan Van Gundy was able to mentor him into a starting-caliber PG

    Gibson - For years he was a non-factor on offense and then he finally improved his free throw shooting so now he's not as easily exposed

    Ellington - rode the bench in Minnesota for years, kept working on his shot, finally got more touches once he was traded

    Randle - his PPG has gone up every year and so has his shooting percentages

    Portis - RPG, PPG, 3-Point % have gone up every single year

    We might not win a lot of games next season but we brought in a bunch of players who have shown that they're committed to working on their games and improving themselves as players. That's exactly the type of people you want around a really young team like the Knicks have. If we're worried about Knox and Frank and DSJ developing as players to take their game to the next level, who better to have on the team than a bunch of guys who didn't come into the league as great players and had to work for it?

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    Well said!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SSj4Wingzero View Post
    You know what I like about Bullock, Gibson, Ellington, and Portis, and Randle?

    All of them are players whose NBA careers took some time to develop.

    Bullock - traded twice, sent down to the D League, and it wasn't until his 3rd year in Detroit that Stan Van Gundy was able to mentor him into a starting-caliber PG

    Gibson - For years he was a non-factor on offense and then he finally improved his free throw shooting so now he's not as easily exposed

    Ellington - rode the bench in Minnesota for years, kept working on his shot, finally got more touches once he was traded

    Randle - his PPG has gone up every year and so has his shooting percentages

    Portis - RPG, PPG, 3-Point % have gone up every single year

    We might not win a lot of games next season but we brought in a bunch of players who have shown that they're committed to working on their games and improving themselves as players. That's exactly the type of people you want around a really young team like the Knicks have. If we're worried about Knox and Frank and DSJ developing as players to take their game to the next level, who better to have on the team than a bunch of guys who didn't come into the league as great players and had to work for it?
    You didn’t mention Payton?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tiger0330 View Post
    You didn’t mention Payton?
    Eh he was a lottery pick who got started as a rookie and he hasn't really improved that much from his rookie season to now so not really the same thing

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    Payton's presence also may impact Frank Ntilikina. The Knicks talked to at least one team about a trade involving Ntilikina and the return of an early second-round pick. They also discussed deals around the return of a late first-round pick. Some teams considering Ntilikina were wary of making the trade before the draft because his salary ($5 million) would impact their cap space in free agency and they couldn't be sure of what they were getting in Ntilikina, who has dealt with injuries and inconsistent performances/minutes allotment in New York.

    It is unclear if the Knicks will continue to try to move Ntilikina.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SSj4Wingzero View Post
    Eh he was a lottery pick who got started as a rookie and he hasn't really improved that much from his rookie season to now so not really the same thing
    Well I guess you think he sucks and will backup DSJ. I think he starts.

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