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    I have the game on DVR I was watching US vs Mexico 🇲🇽 from Soldier Field my son-in-law was there. I will reserve my comments for after I watch the game but sounds like the big knock on RJ is true: he can’t shoot. Hmmmm

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    I wrote that tongue in check.... Just funny the pain never ends for us NYK fans. Where have I seen us blow a lead, make a fake comeback, only to collapse at end? Sounds familiar.

    PHO probably didn’t have a top 10 player on their squad and we had arguably 4... and still lost. Just more pain for us...

    RJ has shoot well in past... struggles at Duke and struggling now. He looks like the type to put the work in.

    But, again, RJ and Knox probably need 2 seasons each to even become remotely what we hope they can become...

    RJ needs to work and Knox needs to grow a pair.

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    Report that Dennis Smith Jr working with CP3 in Las Vegas... working on seeing floor, running offense, leadership.

    Good to see all the kids working hard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mafra View Post
    Report that Dennis Smith Jr working with CP3 in Las Vegas... working on seeing floor, running offense, leadership.

    Good to see all the kids working hard.
    I read that, CP3 may not have the game he once had but there isn’t a more heady PG for him to learn from plus he’s in the gym with Coach Smart for shooting lessons. First place I think we see results is at the FT line, elite PG’s do not shoot 65%. Always been a DSJ fan and while I expect that guys are going to work on their games, this tells me he’s coachable and has the desire to want to be elite.

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    Quote Originally Posted by htr10 View Post
    It would be nice if Knox did anything else well other than try to score. RJ shot terribly again, but he had 10 rebounds. A couple of our other guys are much better defenders than Knox. Looking at Knox and Iggy last night, it’s hard to believe one guy started in the NBA last season and the other guy is playing in his 2nd Summer League game.

    The team is deeper this yr compared to last. Fiz will not want to lose gms at the same clip. I do not believe for one sec some of these guys will have the same amount of rope. Knox better do more than shoot the 3 and fade out of gms. I don't care how high any of our fans are on any particular player it's pure logic to understand "all of them won't peak this yr nor be good"...there will be some who rise to the occasion and some who won't.

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    They’ll be a lot of empty stats, too.

    But Dennis Smith Jr and Julius Randle primary duo has to be an upgrade over Hardway & Kanter. How much do?

    Reggie Bullock or Courtney Lee?
    Payton or Mudiay?
    Portis or Vonleh?
    Gibson or Thomas?
    Iggy or Kornet?
    Ellington or Super Mario?

    So, Knox, Mitch, and Trier are a year wiser. Knits and Dotson in their make/break campaigns, with the addition of RJ and Iggy...

    Is having slight upgrades across the board enough to propel this team into relevancy?

    Only if the sum is greater than its parts, right?

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    Ian Begley, SNY.tv | Twitter |

    LAS VEGAS - If you're making sweeping conclusions about RJ Barrett after two Summer League games, you're overreacting.

    "Of course the Knicks would like to see him come out and dominate in these games against guys who won't be in the NBA. That's what you'd expect from the No. 3 pick. But there's no reason to sound any alarms," one veteran scout said Monday. "He's 19 and this is what Summer League - and his rookie season, really - is for. It's about development and getting comfortable on an NBA floor."

    With that said, it's fair to analyze what Barrett has done on the floor thus far. He's shooting a combined 7-for-33 with 10 turnovers and two assists.

    Dozens of scouts and execs watched Barrett's first two games in Vegas. We asked a few to discuss what they've seen so far from the rookie:


    Scout: "I haven't seen him play fast or really blow off the floor on a drive yet. He hasn't looked explosive off the dribble. Maybe some of that is due to a layoff between his college games and Summer League games. But he wasn't overly fast at Duke. He did well in bullying opponents with his size and strength at that level. Can that translate well to the NBA? Or will he need to make adjustments? That's another reason to not get overly excited about two Summer League games. He's going to gain strength and can get faster over time."

    Scout: "I've watched RJ since he was in high school and he always plays extremely hard. And despite his shooting struggles, we've seen that in his first two games in Vegas. Look at his (10) rebounds from the other night. He has a great motor. That's why I think he'll reach his potential at this level - whatever that ultimately is. I'm not worried about him putting in the work to maximize his talent."

    Scout: "He's gotten some decent looks from the perimeter but his shot doesn't have a ton of arc and seems heavy. Maybe some of that is nerves, but the looks have been there for him. He's also forced some shots and missed open teammates. You'd think those reads come with experience."

    Scout: "He's looked a little stiff at times in these first two games. Is that because of nerves? Or is that what he is? I didn't see a lot of bouncy athleticism from him in the first two games. Maybe that was just a product of him being a bit nervous. I'm not sure."

    Scout: "There's no reason to get caught up too much in Summer League in general, particularly after just two games. What you can't measure with these guys - what we don't see in the stands or on tape - is what's inside of them. Their heart. What drives them. Are they obsessed with being great? Or are they content with making NBA money? Does that make them complacent? You get the sense that RJ is the kind of person that's driven to be great. But that's one of those variables that we can't measure."

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    When it was over Sunday night, Suns players basked in their overtime victory over the Knicks. They privately made comments about how much easier it was to guard the much-hyped 6-foot-7 sniper RJ Barrett than they thought, according to an NBA source.

    The Suns made Barrett look bad — just as the Pelicans did. The common refrain is summer league is not to be taken too seriously, but the Knicks have usually seen their recent lottery picks shine in this spotlight.

    According to sources, some members of the Knicks’ staff held concern about Barrett’s ability to translate his offensive game to the NBA because he relied so much on driving the ball, but GM Scott Perry was always all-in on a player who last July was being heralded as the No. 1 pick for the 2019 draft.

    “The concern was if he’d be able to get around guys in the NBA,’’ the personnel director said. “And if he didn’t, he’d use his shoulder (to get space) and the weakside (defense) would come on him fast. The weakside comes fast in the NBA. So if he’s not getting by guys he’d have to become a better 3-point shooter.”

    That can happen with hard work, but Barrett also has an intangible that the personnel director likes.

    “The good thing is he has a lot of swagger and really believes in himself, and that’s going to help him,’’ he said. “Maybe it’s just time, but you expect more right away from a No. 3 pick.”

    Knicks summer-league coach Jud Buechler says he’s not worried about Barrett’s shooting and praised his defense with a late block vs. Phoenix and 10 rebounds.

    “It’s summer league, but there’s a lot of hype and pressure around RJ,” said another NBA scout. “He’s talented, but seems to be pressing. Shooting is his big issue and many factors go into a guy making shots, especially getting used to a new team and new level. At Duke, he was not efficient. That will be his challenge — efficiency. He will be at first a streaky shooter and efficiency should follow. He’s talented, but there’s no guarantees when his efficiency will kick in and how high a level.’’

    It’s probably no time to panic, but former Knicks coach Jeff Van Gundy’s old mantra is this: If a rookie draft pick dominates summer league, it may mean nothing. If a player doesn’t shine at summer league, it is a concern. Perry and Knicks president Steve Mills watched the Phoenix game stone-faced from their courtside seats.

    Van Gundy was Knicks head coach in 1999 for the infamous Frederic Weis summer-league fiasco when the rookie first-round pick’s poor play elicited a front page headline in The Post: “French Toast.’’ The center never played a single game in the NBA.

    “RJ should be just fine,’’ said another NBA personnel man. “Just let’s pump the brakes and be patient. What he’s going through right now will help him come October.’’

    Knicks coach David Fizdale has not been made available to the media for summer league nor has Mills/Perry.

    Buechler said after the Suns’ loss, “The shooting will come — we’re not worried about that. We’re telling him to say aggressive, and as you can tell, he’s not backing away at all. He believes in it. We believe in it and it will come’’

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    Its 2 summer league games but if he looks like this for all 4 I'd be mildly concerned.

    Guys that are 3d picks are supposed to dominate a mostly ragtag group of NBA wannabes playing in SL. The corollary is a star in summer league is no guarantee to be a star in the NBA but I can't remember a case where a high pick like RJ hasn't shown glimpses of stardom in SL, RJ has looked awful but the likelihood that RJ has a breakout game soon like his teammate Iggy predicted is high.

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    I agree with what one scout said... RJ is a hard worker and has the want to be great. He (and I) not concerned about RJ reaching his ceiling and maximizing his talent.... he’ll do what it takes!

    The question is: what’s his ceiling?

    Time will tell.

    But pressure bursts pipes and creates diamonds. Maybe, for RJ, struggling now is extra motivation to work this summer.

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    30 minutes until Summer League game #3 for us. This one is on MSG instead of ESPN, for me at least.

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    RJ creates a turnover on defense and then finds Knox on a nice pass for the easy 2 down the other end.

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    Knox needs to move the ball more. Every time he gets the ball, he is popping up a 3 or trying to drive. Already missed 4 or 5 shots.

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    RJ just shot an air ball from 3. C’mon. Get it together dude.

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