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    Originally Posted by donchris View Post
    I don't think the situation is half as bad as the media reported it to be. The whole Durant/Irving are going to the Knicks was fake news completely manufactured by NY Media. Will any of them admit they got it wrong or worse, made it up? What would the narrative have been if the Knicks signed them both? We over paid for injury prone players and paid one 35 million to sit on the bench. **** that!
    We're all in with the youth movement. I like our direction.
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    When the President of the Knicks has to issue an apology to its fans it's bad. They brought it upon themselves building up the hopes of the fan base holding pressers, releasing press statements, vilifying Porzingis, trying to make themselves sound like genius's with Mills even saying the color of their front office was going to make a difference.

    I look at some of the free agent signings by other teams and I wonder about some of those names that signed for less than we're paying for the guys we signed and whether they made more sense. Guys like Mike Scott, Demarre Carroll, Hezonja, Kanter, Ed Davis, etc. I said it earlier with 70M in cap space and all the talent that is available in FA an idiot should be able to construct a winning team, we will see next season if Mills/Perry pass the IQ test.
    Quote Originally Posted by Paul1355 View Post
    Disagree,

    I think the Knicks just had to react to an overly emotional fan base that takes speculation to the highest form of gossip that it’s ridiculous. This was all noise created by the media. Durant always denied reports to want to go to the Knicks and even dissed the franchise years past.

    Mills and Perry have been consistent and steadfast with their plan. Stay young (25 and under) unless to be a mentor, build through the draft and G league while maintaining flexibility for free agency, and take no short cuts.

    The injury to Durant changed everything as signing him would be a huge risk that goes against the philosophy they have preached.

    The President and GM have approached the Knicks as a small market team would and its the right move despite the haters and noise claiming to know what’s best when they forget context all together.

    We signed very underrated players on the rise in Randle/Portis/Payton all 25 and younger. We signed vets that are tough and have NY personalities in Gibson/Portis. We have multiple 3-D wings in Barrett/Dotson/Bullock etc. We have young point guards with upside in DSJ and Payton.

    Lastly we have a future all star combination in Julius Randle and Mitchell Robinson for years to come.

    Let’s see that this was always a long term plan and one that is similar to the Nuggets, 76ers, Bucks model of building through the draft and attracting FA after they have established a culture within.
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    Wow! Hypothetical speaking .. GM Perry should have had plans on Resigning starting center DJ to a 4 yr contract the day of the KP trade ..
    to at least make the KP trade look worth receiving a NBA starting center to help build one to three of the young-core players into star players !!!
    The Knicks offseason front-court moves of having DJ, Randle, MitchRob, and Knox in the frontcourt rotation for the next 3 years would have looked more optimistic of getting on the road to win .. then the young Randle, Porter, MitchRob, and Knox frontcourt rotation.

    The Knicks Tank-Tank 17 win season front-office, had looked real BAD during November before Thanks Giving (6-14) the Knicks losing performance looked so bad the Knicks front-office had to come up with something to please the Knicks Fans, and they started advertising big rumors and gossip of a Durant & Kyrie coming to NY in the offseason. "Stupid is what stupid does" .. Durant & Kyrie detoured themselves to Brooklyn NY., taking the Knicks only NBA starter on their Roster DJ with them to Brooklyn.
    Yes! The Knicks GM Perry's offseason moves in FA has graded a F for FAILURE! WHY?
    GM Perry had $70M in cap to spend on getting the Knicks 3 to 5 NBA starters from the big FA market in the 2019 off-season.
    GM Perry couldn't sign one of the many NBA starter-players out of a big FA market having $70M.

    Owner Dolan, and his 2 decades of Knicks GM Puppets has been repeating themselves over and over to stay LOSERS.
    I recall the day the Boston Celtics created their BIG-3 to win a championship, on that day the Celtics Big-3 were a big surprise to every NBA Fan.
    I also recall the day the Miami Heats created their BIG-3 to win a championship, on that day the Heats Big-3 were a big surprise to every NBA Fan.

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    Word is Jordan wasn’t happy with Fizdale... He wanted no part sacrificing minutes for MRob... he wasn’t going to sign here to be the backup.

    I bet his sighing with Nets will derail
    Jarrett Allen’s development.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mafra View Post
    Word is Jordan wasn’t happy with Fizdale... He wanted no part sacrificing minutes for MRob... he wasn’t going to sign here to be the backup.

    I bet his sighing with Nets will derail
    Jarrett Allen’s development.
    In a New York Post article, they quote an “Eastern Conference executive” as saying that the Nets are going to “look stupid” for the DeAndre Jordan deal when they don’t have the money to upgrade the roster.

    With us, DJ either started or didn’t play at all. He apparently has started every game in which he played since 2011. Allen going to the bench would be nuts, but that seems like that is what is going to happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiyaman View Post
    Wow! Hypothetical speaking .. GM Perry should have had plans on Resigning starting center DJ to a 4 yr contract the day of the KP trade ..
    to at least make the KP trade look worth receiving a NBA starting center to help build one to three of the young-core players into star players !!!
    The Knicks offseason front-court moves of having DJ, Randle, MitchRob, and Knox in the frontcourt rotation for the next 3 years would have looked more optimistic of getting on the road to win .. then the young Randle, Porter, MitchRob, and Knox frontcourt rotation.

    The Knicks Tank-Tank 17 win season front-office, had looked real BAD during November before Thanks Giving (6-14) the Knicks losing performance looked so bad the Knicks front-office had to come up with something to please the Knicks Fans, and they started advertising big rumors and gossip of a Durant & Kyrie coming to NY in the offseason. "Stupid is what stupid does" .. Durant & Kyrie detoured themselves to Brooklyn NY., taking the Knicks only NBA starter on their Roster DJ with them to Brooklyn.
    Yes! The Knicks GM Perry's offseason moves in FA has graded a F for FAILURE! WHY?
    GM Perry had $70M in cap to spend on getting the Knicks 3 to 5 NBA starters from the big FA market in the 2019 off-season.
    GM Perry couldn't sign one of the many NBA starter-players out of a big FA market having $70M.

    Owner Dolan, and his 2 decades of Knicks GM Puppets has been repeating themselves over and over to stay LOSERS.
    I recall the day the Boston Celtics created their BIG-3 to win a championship, on that day the Celtics Big-3 were a big surprise to every NBA Fan.
    I also recall the day the Miami Heats created their BIG-3 to win a championship, on that day the Heats Big-3 were a big surprise to every NBA Fan.
    Preach on brotha. Our front office lied to us and all Knicks fans. They should all be fired. The Nets, Clippers, Lakers, Boston, GSW, all delivered the goods. Perry and Mills didn’t. How do they still have jobs today????

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    DSJ:

    “I think we can hit the playoffs. Everybody do a lot of talking and things like that,” he said, “I’ve never really been one to feed into it on social media and things like that. But I think we have a really good team, and especially with the way I’ve been working this summer, I think I’m going to take my game to the next level and it’s going to put us in the playoffs.”

    Jordan was Smith’s teammate in Dallas and New York last season.

    “I wasn’t surprised, to be honest with you. People in the league talk anyway. They just keep it private. People in the league talk,” Smith said. “They’re great players but I like what we have, to be honest with you. I know there are a lot of hecklers out there and talking this that and the third. But I like what we have and I’m not really concerned with what’s going on in Brooklyn.”
    Smith is an explosive scorer and leaper but has largely failed to live up to expectations. He was traded to the Knicks in January as a add-on piece for Kristaps Porzingis. Smith’s 3-point shot — which he converted at just a 31 percent clip over his first two seasons — has been an impediment. He said Saturday that his mechanics were tweaked in the offseason.
    [More Knicks] Julius Randle out to show he’s more than just a consolation prize for Knicks »
    “It’s a big difference. And I can feel it,” said Smith, who joined the Knicks at Summer League practice Saturday. “Everybody can see it, from my pops and my friends. So adding that into my game, getting consistent with it, is going to open up the floor not only for me but everybody else and make my reads a lot easier. So it’s major for me.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by mafra View Post
    DSJ:

    “I think we can hit the playoffs. Everybody do a lot of talking and things like that,” he said, “I’ve never really been one to feed into it on social media and things like that. But I think we have a really good team, and especially with the way I’ve been working this summer, I think I’m going to take my game to the next level and it’s going to put us in the playoffs.”

    Jordan was Smith’s teammate in Dallas and New York last season.

    “I wasn’t surprised, to be honest with you. People in the league talk anyway. They just keep it private. People in the league talk,” Smith said. “They’re great players but I like what we have, to be honest with you. I know there are a lot of hecklers out there and talking this that and the third. But I like what we have and I’m not really concerned with what’s going on in Brooklyn.”
    Smith is an explosive scorer and leaper but has largely failed to live up to expectations. He was traded to the Knicks in January as a add-on piece for Kristaps Porzingis. Smith’s 3-point shot — which he converted at just a 31 percent clip over his first two seasons — has been an impediment. He said Saturday that his mechanics were tweaked in the offseason.
    [More Knicks] Julius Randle out to show he’s more than just a consolation prize for Knicks »
    “It’s a big difference. And I can feel it,” said Smith, who joined the Knicks at Summer League practice Saturday. “Everybody can see it, from my pops and my friends. So adding that into my game, getting consistent with it, is going to open up the floor not only for me but everybody else and make my reads a lot easier. So it’s major for me.”
    Old lady inside the compound in the original Road Warriors:”words, just words.” What is DSJ supposed to say:”we are gonna suck, I don’t even know if I’m starting.” That’s the truth. “I was on this team last year and we are only gonna win 5 more games this year.” That’s closer to the truth than what I’m reading above. “I’m the worst PG in the Atlantic Division if I do start?” That’s the triple truth Ruth.

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    I’ll believe it when I see it, too, you know. But we’re, in essence, starting from scratch on this rebuild. Sure, it’s been 20 years... but, it’s now reality time.

    Good news is, though, that unlike most other reload/reconstitute attempts over the years, the team is beginning from a sturdy/solid foundation.

    Perry and Fiz aside, and understanding the anchor that Mills-Dolan has been to this franchise....

    We begin the rebuild with a legitimate prospect in RJ Barrett. Does he have flaws? Of course! But he’s a teenager and it’s fair to assume that their is potential for enormous growth.

    Knicks also pisses a plethora of recent lottery picks: Smith, Payton, Randle, Knits, and Knox.

    There’s a Portis, and a Dotson, and the Blockness Monster Mitchell Robinson.

    ISO-Trier, Iggy, and watch out for Wilks or Wooten.

    We have hard-nosed vets in Bullock, Ellington, and Gibson.

    We have a really young roster, but we also have a tier of players entering the prime (Payton, Portis, Smith and Randle). This is surrounded by 2 solid drafts and some vet role players.

    We have a group we can root for... and we possess 6 picks next 4 years.

    If all the restarts we’ve been forced to endure, after each humiliating episode.... I can honestly say that we are starting from the “best position” square 1 than has been since the 90s.

    The numbers will eventually tilt in our favor... collect enough assets and lottery picks possible until a collection of stuff all hit at once and the nucleus of something emerges from a flicker of potential.

    NBA landscape not in our favor next 2-3 seasons regardless... so build for a dynasty to beginning 2021...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mafra View Post
    I’ll believe it when I see it, too, you know. But we’re, in essence, starting from scratch on this rebuild. Sure, it’s been 20 years... but, it’s now reality time.

    Good news is, though, that unlike most other reload/reconstitute attempts over the years, the team is beginning from a sturdy/solid foundation.

    Perry and Fiz aside, and understanding the anchor that Mills-Dolan has been to this franchise....

    We begin the rebuild with a legitimate prospect in RJ Barrett. Does he have flaws? Of course! But he’s a teenager and it’s fair to assume that their is potential for enormous growth.

    Knicks also pisses a plethora of recent lottery picks: Smith, Payton, Randle, Knits, and Knox.

    There’s a Portis, and a Dotson, and the Blockness Monster Mitchell Robinson.

    ISO-Trier, Iggy, and watch out for Wilks or Wooten.

    We have hard-nosed vets in Bullock, Ellington, and Gibson.

    We have a really young roster, but we also have a tier of players entering the prime (Payton, Portis, Smith and Randle). This is surrounded by 2 solid drafts and some vet role players.

    We have a group we can root for... and we possess 6 picks next 4 years.

    If all the restarts we’ve been forced to endure, after each humiliating episode.... I can honestly say that we are starting from the “best position” square 1 than has been since the 90s.

    The numbers will eventually tilt in our favor... collect enough assets and lottery picks possible until a collection of stuff all hit at once and the nucleus of something emerges from a flicker of potential.

    NBA landscape not in our favor next 2-3 seasons regardless... so build for a dynasty to beginning 2021...
    Uhhh we had a Top 50 center named Patrick Ewing to anchor our 90’s squads. Who is gonna anchor this squad? Reggie Bullock🤣 Bobby Portis🤣 Julius Randle🤣 Elfrid Payton🤣???? I wouldn’t even play with that squad on 2K and if you are smart you wouldn’t either. Me thinks more rose colored glasses and pipe dreams. This summer set the Knicks franchise back 2-5 years easy by whiffing on every decent free agent out there. One cat I work with didn’t even go there with me for a week because he understood how bad it is for the Knicks. And the kid played small college ball so he knows a little something. And he called KL to the Clipps over a week ago. This is a replay of the Isiah’s Stevie Franchise, Zach Randolph, and Jamal Crawford team with LESS talent and WORSE coaching if that’s possible. Seen this bad movie before. Mark my words on this....
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    Amare on ESPN this morning. He was asked why the Knicks can’t attract big free agents. He said that it is that the team has not been a winning team for so long and that there is a perception that the Knicks organization is not as professional as it needs to be.

    Amare said that when he signed with the Knicks it was a more appealing team because of the GM and the young players on the roster.

    Amare seemed optimistic that we are back in a position to have future success. Amare is also a super nice guy, so he generally is going to say positive things about us, no matter what.

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    Knicks were able to snag 7 free agents on team friendly deal. MM even backed out of commitment with SA.

    LeBron
    Greg Monroe
    LaMarcus Aldridge
    KD
    Irving


    This is basically the list of those that have shunned NY, right?

    Word is KD wanted NYK but KI wanted Nets...

    Cold. Media. City and state taxes. Losing and instability....

    Trust me, if this rebuild works... players will run to take Dolan’s money.

    Nobody is coming here unless there’s a clear route to a championship. This banana boat generation is wired that way. They want path of least resistance. They want to cheat history and rack up as many rings as possible to solidify their standing in hierarchy of player history.

    Why can MIA and LAC turn from LJ/Wade/Bosh and Paul/DJ/Blake and then reload so quickly? DEN rebuilt after Melo... Jazz even rebuilt.

    Methinks Dolan and Mills the biggest problem... insane PR paranoia policy, the public perception and the fact that Mills knows as much about identifying b-ball talent as my mailbox.
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    Quote Originally Posted by htr10 View Post
    Amare on ESPN this morning. He was asked why the Knicks can’t attract big free agents. He said that it is that the team has not been a winning team for so long and that there is a perception that the Knicks organization is not as professional as it needs to be.

    Amare said that when he signed with the Knicks it was a more appealing team because of the GM and the young players on the roster.

    Amare seemed optimistic that we are back in a position to have future success. Amare is also a super nice guy, so he generally is going to say positive things about us, no matter what.

    He’s angling for a spot, glad Perry was sensible enough to pass when Big Baby killed him in the a Big 3 league. He’s going to wind up working for the Knicks I bet, I wonder if he can coach or if he’s interested in coaching.

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    Quote Originally Posted by htr10 View Post
    Amare is also a super nice guy, so he generally is going to say positive things about us, no matter what.
    bumped into amare in harrods some years ago when knicks were playing the pistons in london - as u say a 'super-nice' guy -

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    Quote Originally Posted by mafra View Post
    Word is Jordan wasn’t happy with Fizdale... He wanted no part sacrificing minutes for MRob... he wasn’t going to sign here to be the backup.

    I bet his sighing with Nets will derail
    Jarrett Allen’s development.
    DJ has been a great double-double 26 minute per game defensive starter center, having the capability to be a player/coach to young-core teammates on the court and on the bench. DJ would have been a great mentor for Knicks 2nd season MitchRob & Knox.
    For 8 of DJ's 12 yrs in the league DJ were mentored by a winning head-coach Doc Rivers and a HOF PG Chris Paul.
    DJ could smell a fake LOSER head coach from his early years on the Clippers, and Fizdale has that smell.


    Quote Originally Posted by htr10 View Post
    In a New York Post article, they quote an “Eastern Conference executive” as saying that the Nets are going to “look stupid” for the DeAndre Jordan deal when they don’t have the money to upgrade the roster.

    With us, DJ either started or didn’t play at all. He apparently has started every game in which he played since 2011. Allen going to the bench would be nuts, but that seems like that is what is going to happen.
    The best thing the Nets did for their future center Allen, were signing a veteran defensive mentor DJ to help guide a young Allen through a 82 game season, and a post-season presence the next couple of years to take a lot of pressure off the young center.
    The only executive in the eastern conference that would think the Nets made a stupid move signing DJ to a comfortable contract to guide the Nets front-court players , would be an idiot executive that hasn't made it to the post-season games in years (Mills/Perry).

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    This man, right here, Dennis Smith Jr. will pretty much dictate what direction our franchise’s perception goes in as 2019 melts into 2020....

    Check out this dunk he just did:

    “The book is still out on the 21-year-old as an NBA point guard—Can he lead a contender or is he just a taller Nate Robinson?—but there's no debating he has some of the most ridiculous hops in the league. Check out his latest jaw-dropping jam:”

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.gol...er-of-hope/amp

    If he bursts forth in his third season, D-Russell style, then the Knicks will be a 40 win - in playoff contention type of squad.

    With Randle and Mrob and the vets, with (hopefully) glimmers from the teenagers....

    Well, we would be thought of like Nets right now.

    If DSJ is Mudiay 2.0.... and KP does what he does Nov-Dec.... then, well, the mockery and derision will amplify exponentially until we break through the iron-Nickel core of rock bottom and venture into uncharted territory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mafra View Post
    Knicks were able to snag 7 free agents on team friendly deal. MM even backed out of commitment with SA.

    LeBron
    Greg Monroe
    LaMarcus Aldridge
    KD
    Irving


    This is basically the list of those that have shunned NY, right?

    Word is KD wanted NYK but KI wanted Nets...

    Cold. Media. City and state taxes. Losing and instability....

    Trust me, if this rebuild works... players will run to take Dolan’s money.

    Nobody is coming here unless there’s a clear route to a championship. This banana boat generation is wired that way. They want path of least resistance. They want to cheat history and rack up as many rings as possible to solidify their standing in hierarchy of player history.

    Why can MIA and LAC turn from LJ/Wade/Bosh and Paul/DJ/Blake and then reload so quickly? DEN rebuilt after Melo... Jazz even rebuilt.

    Methinks Dolan and Mills the biggest problem... insane PR paranoia policy, the public perception and the fact that Mills knows as much about identifying b-ball talent as my mailbox.
    Remember Pj's first year as President and GM, after trading Chandler his first big FA move was to sign Greg Monroe to a max deal, well Monroe is out of the NBA and will play for Bayern Munich next year. His other notable signing Noah is still a FA and will probably sit at home this year collecting fat pay checks from the Knicks. The guy (Phil Jackson) set the Knicks back 5 years with that triangle offense and not recognizing the game had moved on from low post big men.

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