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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Raider View Post
    Hey tiger,
    I have to agree with your assessment of this current team. Randle is a cast-off of the Lakers. He saw a sucker in Mills and Perry and took that deal. Why is he such a game changer with the Knicks??

    What we should have done in my opinion. Well let me start over!! Mills and Perry are dead and have been that way since they let D. Rose walk. It NO SAVING THEM!!!

    Now if they had been smart. I would have signed only one F. A. and that was Cousins(ok, I know some disagree). They should have signed him before go to the Warriors. I would have send a strong message that we are building from within with young hunger player. Let the young player know that the cap money is their if they perform at a high level. No Randle, Taj, Ballard and no Morris. I may would have considered Ellington.

    Where does the CHEMISTRY comes from to make this team a contender?? Mudiay is gone. Kornet is gone. Jordan is gone. No Big men coach to teach Robinson(No jumper). These are just a few problems that exist and doom this team.
    Randle is a good player, a signing I really like, Lakers cast him off to clear space for the 3 star team they wanted. Those other guys are role players on good teams and probably won’t be here beyond this year.

    I’m hoping Fiz comes out of camp with a plan but the way the guy is talking he wants to try every approach under the sun. Heard a guy say “things could go south pretty quick” and he may be right.

    Watched the Rockets/Clips game and despite acquiring quite a few new guys, they’re playing just like they played last year, put up 66 3s against the Sharks a few days ago and 48 against the Clips, my point is the Rox have a system and the Knicks need to get one fast.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mafra View Post
    Sounds like the buzz recap from camp today was about Frank’s “opportunity”, and how MRob may shoot some 3s, the slimmer DSJ...

    And... the big revelation:

    The offense will run through point-forward Julius Randle.

    It appears jR is our new “the man” dude. Top dawg. Fiz handing him the keys.

    Expect lots of P&R with E-Pay and DSJ.
    Well the best part of the upcoming season are we get to see a 3rd pick JR Barrett's rookie star performance .. last year this time RJ were thought to be the #1 pick .. It was more Zion and Ja blowing up throughout last year NCAA season than RJ falling back.

    We should be expecting to see a huge mark of improvement from our six young-core keepers players:
    Frank: Fiba Frank !!!
    DSJ: down 15 pounds, back healthy, looking to elevate teammates (getting RJ ROY)
    Knox: Stronger
    Dotson: taking his 2-Way performance up a level
    Trier: ISO-Zo adding some true play-making skills to his performance will be exciting
    MitchRob: will have a more complete game than his rookie season, playing in a structured offense with veterans ..

    At the end of last season I was hoping and praying the Knicks front office had a 2 yr contract for center DeAndre Jordan on July 1st.
    I have nothing against Bobby Portis, but his $15M per contract belong to DeAndre Jordan. WHY?
    When DJ joined the Knicks in the middle of last season his presence had rookie Mitch Roberson performance and confidence go from 60% to 100% making MitchRob's 20 minute performance into a consistent double-double 3 blocks NBA player !!!
    Investing in DJ for a season or 2 to show MitchRob the ins and out of being a healthy dominating NBA center throughout a 82 game regular season would've been a great way to advance MitchRob 's growth in the NBA.

    MitchRob views on what is different ....



    A Knicks scrimmage game video would be nice to see now !!!

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    Julius Randle is a lot like Deangelo Russell... his other fellow LAK castoff, and another highly-touted young prospect Magic Johnson gave up on, in his pursuit of AD.

    11-13-16-21...

    That’s Randle’s ppg avg his 4 NBA seasons. I like the trajectory there...

    This is his age 25 season...

    In the old days, he’d be fresh out of Kentucky, not 4 years removed. Is he ready to continue his maturation, and take his game to another level?

    The dude is a throwback, old school PF. He has a presence, he rarely misses games... I thought he had bust potential but then he turned it in consistently in LAK, and then rose his level of play in NO.

    I think he was a shrewd investment / informed risk of a contract... at the very least, you’re getting a complimentary player. He’s best suited as your third pillar... but I think he’s the ideal young available PF to play alongside the MRob, the Blockness Monster.

    I don’t expect wins, per say, but if the trio of DSJ, Randle, and MRob can be an exciting and competitive trio, and this coincides with positive growth with our stable of meh lottery players... Sprinkle in flashes of RJ brilliance, steadied by the presence of established role players, and we witness the birth of an actual system with definitive roles, rotation, and assignments....

    This is what will determine if this was a successful season or not.

    Are we on the verge? Ala Ewing circa 1987... is this the second year of what works out to be a brilliant 7 year plan?

    Is the core of our future multiple EC playoff run squads already in-house, on this roster?

    Is the next beloved franchise superstar on this team?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiyaman View Post
    Well the best part of the upcoming season are we get to see a 3rd pick JR Barrett's rookie star performance .. last year this time RJ were thought to be the #1 pick .. It was more Zion and Ja blowing up throughout last year NCAA season than RJ falling back.

    We should be expecting to see a huge mark of improvement from our six young-core keepers players:
    Frank: Fiba Frank !!!
    DSJ: down 15 pounds, back healthy, looking to elevate teammates (getting RJ ROY)
    Knox: Stronger
    Dotson: taking his 2-Way performance up a level
    Trier: ISO-Zo adding some true play-making skills to his performance will be exciting
    MitchRob: will have a more complete game than his rookie season, playing in a structured offense with veterans ..

    At the end of last season I was hoping and praying the Knicks front office had a 2 yr contract for center DeAndre Jordan on July 1st.
    I have nothing against Bobby Portis, but his $15M per contract belong to DeAndre Jordan. WHY?
    When DJ joined the Knicks in the middle of last season his presence had rookie Mitch Roberson performance and confidence go from 60% to 100% making MitchRob's 20 minute performance into a consistent double-double 3 blocks NBA player !!!
    Investing in DJ for a season or 2 to show MitchRob the ins and out of being a healthy dominating NBA center throughout a 82 game regular season would've been a great way to advance MitchRob 's growth in the NBA.


    MitchRob views on what is different ....



    A Knicks scrimmage game video would be nice to see now !!!
    Believe it or not the preliminary starting lineup for the Nets looks to include Allen in the starting 5 with DJ coming off the bench. Kenny said Allen has had a really good camp and his battles with DJ are partially credited with his growth. Probably could be the same effect if DJ played with Mitch, Taj and Morris can have a similar effect on the kid but arguably not the same as DJ would have on the kid,

    DJ took a big pay cut to play with the Nets only getting a fully guaranteed 40M 4 year deal to play with his friends KD and KI so the Knicks would have never been able to sign him for that one year deal they gave either Taj or Portis.
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    Preseason starts for us on Monday night.

    I’m excited to watch the Knicks, but definitely also interested in seeing what the Nets are going to look like and how much KP can do with Dallas right from the get-go.

    This roster will go only as far as Fizdale can take it. If he doesn’t show up with at least a clear cut starting lineup, not sure what to say. If he doesn’t know where Ntilikina is going to get his minutes, then I don’t know what to say. If MRob, RJ, and DSJ aren’t at least given a chance to take their star turn this season, then I don’t know what to say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by htr10 View Post
    Preseason starts for us on Monday night.

    I’m excited to watch the Knicks, but definitely also interested in seeing what the Nets are going to look like and how much KP can do with Dallas right from the get-go.

    This roster will go only as far as Fizdale can take it. If he doesn’t show up with at least a clear cut starting lineup, not sure what to say. If he doesn’t know where Ntilikina is going to get his minutes, then I don’t know what to say. If MRob, RJ, and DSJ aren’t at least given a chance to take their star turn this season, then I don’t know what to say.
    Nets are going to start Allen, Prince, Harris, Lavert, Kyrie, can it be that hard to put out 5 guys night in and night out if the Nets can do it.

    Got a feeling Fiz is going to tinker again for the first couple of months in the back court and at SF which will cause that aside I heard about the Knicks”that things can go south in a hurry” to come to fruition.

    You hope Fiz learned something from last season, but he goes into training camp with only Randle and MRob as starters. There’s going to be a fight for those other spots and we probably won’t know what the starting lineup is until the final days of camp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mafra View Post
    Julius Randle is a lot like Deangelo Russell... his other fellow LAK castoff, and another highly-touted young prospect Magic Johnson gave up on, in his pursuit of AD.

    11-13-16-21...

    That’s Randle’s ppg avg his 4 NBA seasons. I like the trajectory there...

    This is his age 25 season...

    In the old days, he’d be fresh out of Kentucky, not 4 years removed. Is he ready to continue his maturation, and take his game to another level?

    The dude is a throwback, old school PF. He has a presence, he rarely misses games... I thought he had bust potential but then he turned it in consistently in LAK, and then rose his level of play in NO.

    I think he was a shrewd investment / informed risk of a contract... at the very least, you’re getting a complimentary player. He’s best suited as your third pillar... but I think he’s the ideal young available PF to play alongside the MRob, the Blockness Monster.

    I don’t expect wins, per say, but if the trio of DSJ, Randle, and MRob can be an exciting and competitive trio, and this coincides with positive growth with our stable of meh lottery players... Sprinkle in flashes of RJ brilliance, steadied by the presence of established role players, and we witness the birth of an actual system with definitive roles, rotation, and assignments....

    This is what will determine if this was a successful season or not.

    Are we on the verge? Ala Ewing circa 1987... is this the second year of what works out to be a brilliant 7 year plan?

    Is the core of our future multiple EC playoff run squads already in-house, on this roster?

    Is the next beloved franchise superstar on this team?
    While it’s only preseason it’s important for the Knicks to get a win against a bottom feeder like the Wiz who are w/o Wall. Fiz needs to get this team to play defense esp important because that’s the reason we picked up these vets.

    Sactown got swept in India by the Pacers giving up 132 and 130 pts in 2 games, Kings are going to disappoint again unless they start playing D. Looking for the team to keep the Wiz under 110 pts on Monday, Sacramento is an object lesson on how uncertain and how long it’s going to take if they try to build this team around young players.

    Fortunately there is a chance that Perry is a good judge of talent and we hope Trier is our Lou Williams, MRob is Gobert II, DSJ is prime Franchise, RJ is the second coming of Kobe and Iggy turns out to be a 1st rounder we snagged late in the second.
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    Btw, I like that new NFL like challenge rule where you have a challenge of a foul, goal tend and out of bounds. I’d like to see it expanded to 4 calls instead of one, there are way more than 1 blown call in a game. Maybe they can reduce the time games get played with that other thing they’re experimenting with in the GLeague with freebies.

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    Knicks had an open practice today. Get your Knicks b-ball fix before the Monday game. Scrimmage starts at about the 38 min mark in the below, video shot on a phone but it’s watchable.

    DSJ held out with a sore back, seems prone to back problems, not good for a high flier and bares watching. Hopefully it’s precautionary and he can play Monday.

    Knox to me was the best player in the game, knocking down a couple of threes, Taj not known for his 3 pt shooting made one also. Frank was OK, his usual conscientious effort on D, started slow on offense but picked it up, still struggles with his shot imo and his failure to break down a defense will keep him from being a starting PG here or anywhere else until he can.



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    Ian Begley, SNY.tv | Twitter |

    David Fizdale plans to use several different lineups in the preseason. So we may see a different starting five when New York plays Washington on Friday at Madison Square Garden.

    But Fizdale gave some interesting insight when he answered a question about his starting lineup for Monday's preseason opener.

    "I thought those guys, overall, played the best in practice and throughout camp," he said.

    Fizdale went with Elfrid Payton at point guard, RJ Barrett at shooting guard, Marcus Morris at small forward, Julius Randle at power forward and Mitchell Robinson at center on Monday.


    The coach thought Payton was 'fantastic' in the Knicks' win over Washington.

    "He set the tone for the game on the ball and with his pace. He got a lot of people involved, kept us organized," he said. "Steady and tough."

    The competition for the starting point guard spot is one of the more intriguing rotational battles for the Knicks.

    Dennis Smith Jr. has been sidelined since Saturday with a back strain and was not available on Monday. So Payton was the obvious choice to start against Washington.

    But, as Fizdale noted above, Payton also earned the nod by his performance in training camp. His thoughts echo what several players privately told friends about Payton's play last week: they said it looked like he was playing his way into the starting point guard job, per SNY sources.

    "He was getting us settled," one player said.

    Of course, the point guard decision won't be based solely on Payton's play in training camp.

    The Knicks still have two weeks of practices and games to evaluate the position. But, as we noted over the summer, the expectation then was that Payton would be given every opportunity to win the starting job.

    Worth noting here: Smith Jr., who was obtained in the Kristaps Porzingis trade, has started 119 out of his 122 career games. So playing off the bench would be a new, foreign role for Smith Jr.

    Payton, who signed with the Knicks as a free agent this summer, had five points, five assists, two steals, two rebounds and two turnovers in 25 minutes on Monday. Backup Frank Ntilikina finished with nine points, five rebounds and three assists in 23 minutes.

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    WTF is Fizdale talking about that Payton was fantastic. Typical Fizdale BS and hype, Payton maybe a worse shooter than Ntilikina, only thing I like about him so far is he dumped that hairdo he wore for 3 years in the league.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tiger0330 View Post
    WTF is Fizdale talking about that Payton was fantastic. Typical Fizdale BS and hype, Payton maybe a worse shooter than Ntilikina, only thing I like about him so far is he dumped that hairdo he wore for 3 years in the league.
    lol.... results aside, come on coach. If E-Pay was fantastic then Frank played like he was worthy of a max contract.

    I get he’s stepping up and serving as a de-factor coach on the court For his teammates... but you’ll lose the locker room if you start playing favorites to newcomers while being tough on the kids who’ve been here.

    I don’t mind starting season with the vets E-Pay and Morris in the starting lineup... along with DSJ, MRob, and Randle. This is a big lineup and it gives DSJ every chance and resource to succeed early on.

    Frank will be backup PG, and will come in with RJ, Knox, Taj/Portis and Trier.

    This sort of thing. We need to know early on DSJ, or showcase for a possible trade down the road... meanwhile, ease RJ into things and let him take on backups in the first half... get into a groove... then be there for late third and fourth quarter.

    Make the kids force the issue and take their starting roles.


    However, this should all be based on what happens these next few weeks. Let it be a true competition, based on merits, and may the reward be their assigned roles... to the victor the spoils... this not for all season but just for now..: start season in a rhythm and go with this for November until adjusts need to be made.

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    Nice post Mafra. I’m for putting the lineup out there that has the best chance to get off to a good start. Disappointing that DSJ didn’t get the praise that Fizdale is giving Payton, we got a lot invested in DSJ as the main piece in that KP trade, he needs to succeed otherwise 3 years from now we may be looking at the trade as a bust for the Knicks. I think they have to pick up DSJ option no matter what even if he doesn’t play a second in camp, that may force the Knicks to not pick up Nits option even if he shows improvement in the preseason. Might be a matter of numbers that the Knicks are forced to choose, most guys aren’t kept when they’re options aren’t picked up but it is possible.

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    I have been trashing on DSJ since he came into the league, but the guy is 21-years-old and averaged 15 points per game and 5 assists per game for us after the trade. His shooting is atrocious, especially his free throw shooting, but he has a chance to easily be a 20 and 8 guy in this league if he can improve his shot and now that he is playing with more reliable teammates.

    The one young guy who did well under Fizdale was Mudiay. Maybe Fizdale and his staff actually know how to coach up a PG. Got to give DSJ a chance to be our franchise starting PG.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tiger0330 View Post
    Nice post Mafra. I’m for putting the lineup out there that has the best chance to get off to a good start. Disappointing that DSJ didn’t get the praise that Fizdale is giving Payton, we got a lot invested in DSJ as the main piece in that KP trade, he needs to succeed otherwise 3 years from now we may be looking at the trade as a bust for the Knicks. I think they have to pick up DSJ option no matter what even if he doesn’t play a second in camp, that may force the Knicks to not pick up Nits option even if he shows improvement in the preseason. Might be a matter of numbers that the Knicks are forced to choose, most guys aren’t kept when they’re options aren’t picked up but it is possible.
    Mills/Perry did not invest a penny into fixing the Knicks back-court in the off-season .. so if the Knicks look like the same Knicks as last season having nothing but raw young guards that have not learn how to control the tempo of a NBA game on offense/defense, the blame goes to having a dum head coach, and a foolish front-office.
    The Knicks front-office needed the head coach Fiz to select a couple of NBA veteran starter PG from the FA market (Beverley), or trade-market (Conley) to prepare our young-core raw PG Frank/DSJ/and Kadeem the ropes of being a consistent winning PG in the regular season.
    Plus hiring a ex-NBA player PG for the Knicks coaching-staff (Mark or Kidd).

    The majority of people playing NBA Fantasy basketball knows more bout how important a teams back-court guards are than the Knicks head-coach Fiz and the front-office of Mills/Perry !!!

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