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    CUT cut cut Randle !!!!!

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    Down 2.... 20 seconds left... no worries.... Frank steals inbounds pass. Randle makes 1/2 FT tho..... 97-96. ATL ball. 19.2 seconds left.

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    DSJ couldn’t stay with Young.... Trae can’t handle Frank’s size....

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    Quote Originally Posted by mafra View Post
    Knicks have missed 14 of last 15 threes.
    That proves .. 3 ball shooting are not for every player !!!

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    Wow, fellas, watching this unit of Portis, Randle, Morris, RJ, and Ntilikina playing defense was about as much fun as I’ve had watching the Knicks in a while. Tough loss, but still, fun 4th quarter to watch.

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    RJ shot poorly, but had a nice overall game with 7 boards and 6 assists.

    Randle missed that critical free throw, but played well.

    Our PG offensive play is going to be the worst in the NBA. Will be hard to overcome.

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    I’m getting a sneaky suspicion that FN’s defense is going to be more valuable than DSJ’s offense.....

    It’s only his first game back, but DSJ doesn’t even look like a THjr type player.

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    Quote Originally Posted by htr10 View Post
    Wow, fellas, watching this unit of Portis, Randle, Morris, RJ, and Ntilikina playing defense was about as much fun as I’ve had watching the Knicks in a while. Tough loss, but still, fun 4th quarter to watch.
    Fizdale's not a builder for the back-court guards .. In the 3rd preseason game i was looking for Fiz to tandem Frank & RJ on the court for 8 to 10 straight minute outing in the game to work together on some offensive plays for teammates . And DSJ & Ellington tandem in the back-court for 6 to 8 minute straight working on inside-outside scoring.
    We didn't start ball-movement, and moving without the ball until late in the 4th qtr.
    Plus the Hawks out-rebounded us 58-44 grabbing 16 offensive-rebounds to Knicks 6 !!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiyaman View Post
    CUT cut cut Randle !!!!!
    In Randle's last 4 yrs in the league (Lakers/Pelicans) Randle has never showed that his performance were good enough to be on the court above 24 minutes per game .. not even in a preseason game !!!

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    I only caught some of the first half of the game but DSJ looked like crap, no wonder Fiz never said anything positive about the kid like he was heaping praise on Payton. That’s a red flag when Fiz aka Mr. Sunshine ain’t saying something positive about one of his players. Frank I guess played his usual good D but do you really play a guy as your starting PG when by the looks of him on the offensive end doesn’t even resemble a starting NBA PG.

    DSJ and Frank play like this we’re going to wind up with an underwhelming Payton starting on opening night. Perry is going to have a tough decision on picking up the option on either one of DSJ or Nits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mafra View Post
    I’m getting a sneaky suspicion that FN’s defense is going to be more valuable than DSJ’s offense.....

    It’s only his first game back, but DSJ doesn’t even look like a THjr type player.
    Probably one of the worst games I’ve seen him play. Wasn’t aggressive from the little I saw of him in the first half, you would think that his back problem maybe lingering because he looked out of sorts, wasn’t attacking, looked slow and he’s small. Been watching KP and while he’s not having a super preseason, he is coming along after being out a season. This trade has the worst trade in Knicks history written all over it.

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    I think DSJ is odd man out.... If he cannot be a dynamic offensive force.... what good does he serve?

    “Frank is a beast on defense,” forward Bobby Portis said. “I never really saw Frank play much being on an opposing team, but being on his team, he’s a great teammate and does all the little things that’s not on the stat sheet, like getting over screens, diving on the floor for loose balls and things like that. Having guys committed to the team is really big with us.”

    Payton will be a Fizdale fav bc of Perry and his toughness on defense....

    I think RJ will actually be groomed to be our Ben Simmons type PG...

    “He’s good. It gives a completely different dynamic to his game,” Randle said of Barrett’s decision-making. “Teams will load up on him because they know he can score the ball. It’s also a learning experience because he’s gotta learn how to balance both [scoring and play-making].”

    “He’s a play-maker. He’s just being himself,” Portis added. “We’ve got that trust in RJ. He’s gonna be a big-time player in this league, and just having the ball in his hands at what? 19 years old? I think that’s big for him and he’s got a bright future ahead.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by mafra View Post
    I think DSJ is odd man out.... If he cannot be a dynamic offensive force.... what good does he serve?

    “Frank is a beast on defense,” forward Bobby Portis said. “I never really saw Frank play much being on an opposing team, but being on his team, he’s a great teammate and does all the little things that’s not on the stat sheet, like getting over screens, diving on the floor for loose balls and things like that. Having guys committed to the team is really big with us.”

    Payton will be a Fizdale fav bc of Perry and his toughness on defense....

    I think RJ will actually be groomed to be our Ben Simmons type PG...

    “He’s good. It gives a completely different dynamic to his game,” Randle said of Barrett’s decision-making. “Teams will load up on him because they know he can score the ball. It’s also a learning experience because he’s gotta learn how to balance both [scoring and play-making].”

    “He’s a play-maker. He’s just being himself,” Portis added. “We’ve got that trust in RJ. He’s gonna be a big-time player in this league, and just having the ball in his hands at what? 19 years old? I think that’s big for him and he’s got a bright future ahead.”
    I been saying and Berman wrote after this game the Knicks may have no choice but to pick up his option to try to salvage that KP trade. Either way even if DSJ turns into a serviceable player, the Knicks lose in this trade head to head, there is no way DSJ is going to have the kind of impact a 7’3” player with the skills KP has.

    Fiz ran RJ out at the point for some of the game, would he have the nerve to go with him opening night? Put Ellington in for his shooting along with RJ, anything has got to be better than the backcourt play we’ve been getting so far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tiger0330 View Post
    Probably one of the worst games I’ve seen him play. Wasn’t aggressive from the little I saw of him in the first half, you would think that his back problem maybe lingering because he looked out of sorts, wasn’t attacking, looked slow and he’s small. Been watching KP and while he’s not having a super preseason, he is coming along after being out a season. This trade has the worst trade in Knicks history written all over it.
    Hold the mic... Nothing wrecked the Knicks like what happened in the 1987 draft!

    This followed the pathetic 1986-87 season.... HC Hubie Brown fired after a 4-12 start (Rick Pitino would be hired during the offseason)....

    This was Ewing’s second season.... B-King had badly injured knee that 1984-85 season, missed all of PE’s rookie campaign and played in just 6 games in the 1986-87 season...

    Knicks finished 24-58 that 1986-87 season.... It was a season of rebuilding.... NYK has zero chance. Remember BOS had an all-time great squad...

    October 2, 1986
    NYK traded Darrell Walker to the Denver Nuggets for a 1987 1st round draft pick. This pick turned out to the the 8th pick of the draft!

    October 30, 1986
    Knicks quickly flip the DEN pick they acquired at the beginning of the month and a 1988 2nd round draft pick to the Chicago Bulls for Jawann Oldham. (Bulls would walk away with Scottie Pippen with this pick).

    November 12, 1986
    Knicks dealt their 1987 1st round draft pick (and this pick turned out to be the 5th pick in the draft) and a 1990 2nd round draft pick to the Seattle SuperSonics for Gerald Henderson and a 1987 1st round draft pick (Mark Jackson was later selected).

    Knicks ended up with 7 picks for this draft. People forgot what happened, bc we walked away with a franchise favorite in M-Jax.... Still....


    To Recap:

    The Knicks traded their original first round pick to SEA for Gerald Henderson (and, guess what, GH was a 76er at the start of the 1987-88 season).... so, NYK flipped what became the 5th pick to rent GH for barely 1 season of service....

    The Knicks flipped Darrell Walker for a first round pick.... but turned around and dealt that pick for Jawann Oldham. Guess what, like GH, Mr. Oldham would be suiting up for Sac-town to start 1987-88 season.

    Somehow, in a lost season where team wins 24 games.... Knicks turned the 5th and 8th picks into thin air.... getting nothing for the franchise beyond 1987.... why? Well, both players they brought in played only 1 season with the team!

    Check out the 1987 draft!

    We already had Ewing; we took Rod Strickland 19th the following draft (and POR took our man Anthony Mason, who would soon join Starks and Riley at MSG)... in 1988, we flipped Cartwright for Charles Oakley....

    Guess who available at 5 & 8 in the 1987 NBA draft: Scottie Pippen and Reggie Miller.

    Instead of having this lineup for the 1990s:

    Strickland
    Miller
    Pippen
    Oakley
    Ewing
    *** w/ Starks and Mason off the bench....

    We ended up with with a titleless era of b-ball, where NY was cast as that other team playing the Harlem Globetrotters.... always the bridesmaid.

    Ewing should be Jeter times Reggie times Messier times Simms/Eli in this town.... instead....

    Well, our irresponsible bungling of those two picks accomplished 2 things: it robbed NY of greatest dynasty in NBA history.... and it armed the 2 teams that stood in our way that decade!

    Imagine that suffocating defensive front court.... Miller raining 3s.... Rod from DePaul running the show, with gritty Mason and Starks off the bench. Led by Riley, who would still be our president... running the show.... attracting free agents and signing deals!

    Sure, we had a nice ride.... but imagine where our franchise is now? How many titles? We definitely get LeBron, and that means we would’ve had a seamless transition from Ewing to LJ....

    Here’s how the 1987 draft turned out for us instead:

    June 22, 1987
    Drafted Mark Jackson in the 1st round (18th pick) of the 1987 NBA Draft.

    Drafted Ron Moore in the 2nd round (25th pick) of the 1987 NBA Draft.

    Drafted Jerome Batiste in the 3rd round (49th pick) of the 1987 NBA Draft.

    Drafted Mike Morgan in the 4th round (71st pick) of the 1987 NBA Draft.

    Drafted Glenn Clem in the 5th round (95th pick) of the 1987 NBA Draft.

    Drafted Howard Triche in the 6th round (117th pick) of the 1987 NBA Draft.

    Drafted Wayne Williams in the 7th round (141st pick) of the 1987 NBA Draft.

    Knicks Should’ve had the 5th and 8th selections.... That draft should be a holiday for us.... instead...

    But, yes, if Kp is a perennial all star and DSJ not here next year.... oh no!

    Saving grace is look who DEN took with the last pick the ducked out of Walsh - Dolan in that Carmelo deal: Murray is a stud PG! Maybe those picks from DAL offer some redemption.... I doubt it tho.
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    Ian Begley, SNY.tv | Twitter |

    Wednesday's game didn't provide much clarity in the Knicks' starting point guard competition.

    Dennis Smith Jr. was out of rhythm in his preseason debut, shooting 1-for-5 in 20 minutes. Elfrid Payton was a DNP, by design. And Frank Ntilikina defended well but didn't provide the offensive spark that David Fizdale said he's looking for in his starting point guard.

    Let's start with Smith Jr. He felt some rust after playing for the first time in roughly 10 days due to a back ailment.

    "No rhythm at all. But he's got to play through that stuff," Fizdale said afterward. "He had to get out there and go through it to start shaking it off."


    Smith Jr. said his back was a non-issue against Atlanta, but his conditioning and timing felt off.

    "That's why I think it's important for me to play these last two presaeason games and start building for the regular season when it really counts," he said.

    Smith Jr.'s competing against Ntilikina and Payton for the Knicks' starting point guard role. The general feeling throughout camp has been that the starting point guard on opening night would be either Payton or Smith Jr., who was acquired in the Kristaps Porzingis trade last January.

    Payton, who signed with the Knicks in free agency this summer, didn't play against Atlanta because Fizdale wanted to see more of Smith Jr. and Ntilikina.

    Ntilikina had a few standout defensive moments in the fourth quarter, particularly when defending Trae Young. He finished with three assists, two blocks and two points in 21 minutes.

    Fizdale has said that, ideally, his starting point guard will be a threat to score. While Ntilikina has improved his shot and seems more assertive, the points haven't come in the preseason.

    It will be interesting to see how Fizdale and the Knicks value Ntilikina's defense compared the desire to have an offensive threat at point guard.

    This is how Fizdale assessed Ntilikina on Wednesday: "Competition. I just really thought he battled. He organized us. He ran the team. He stayed aggressive. He got a timely rebound down the stretch to give us another chance. He's had a solid training camp."

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