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    I think weíre seeing clear signs that we lined a solid double to the wall with the RJ Barrett lottery ticket!

    Zion has the most upside, but thereís serious injury flags (like KP)....

    Like Zion, Murant looks special when on the floor...

    Sneaking into the top 3 and salvaging last yearís disaster, we at least walk away with a solid professional ballet. He has NBA body and swagger, heís coach able... he wants to be great and to put in the work.

    I donít know how high heíll soar, but he looks like a solid #3 top franchise player, at least... And, you need 3 of these guys to be perennial contenders...

    You need 1 of these to attract the next ... and from their it builds itself.

    Randle is worthy for now, to help RJ be competitive.... these 2 could be part of something in the near future....

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    I think it was Wally last night who was saying weíre okay at 4 positions with MRob/Portis, Morris, RJ, and Ellington/Trier, but weíre going to struggle because of the lack of an effective PG.

    I feel like this has been the story of the Knicks for a while now.

    On a side note, I wonder if MRobís foul troubles are going to haunt him forever. He has elite center upside, but Portis is going to get a lot more minutes if MRob keeps racking up the fouls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mafra View Post
    I think we’re seeing clear signs that we lined a solid double to the wall with the RJ Barrett lottery ticket!

    Zion has the most upside, but there’s serious injury flags (like KP)....

    Like Zion, Murant looks special when on the floor...

    Sneaking into the top 3 and salvaging last year’s disaster, we at least walk away with a solid professional ballet. He has NBA body and swagger, he’s coach able... he wants to be great and to put in the work.

    I don’t know how high he’ll soar, but he looks like a solid #3 top franchise player, at least... And, you need 3 of these guys to be perennial contenders...

    You need 1 of these to attract the next ... and from their it builds itself.

    Randle is worthy for now, to help RJ be competitive.... these 2 could be part of something in the near future....
    Question: After seeing the N.O. player Walker drafted at #17 do you think RJ is better than him? I have said a precious post that there were no players worth a top 10 pick in this years draft. I still believe that. We shouldn't have drafted RJ instead trade back to ATL for there two picks. Wouldn't you have a another player only with the kid Walker right now. I certainly would!!!

    One the league stop letting RJ go left then will see what kind of player he is. That kid Walker impress the HELL out of me last night. He was on my radar before the draft but N.O. 1st pick(Hayes) was and I still wish we would have traded back.

    As for Randle...You have seen him in the last two games choke. One at the free throw line the other on the last shot of the game. He is not the 'Main Guy' material. Last shot is for player like D. Rose and M. Beasley who we let walk. They have ice water in their veins. Dotson and Mudiay(if we had him) would have been better. Question- Why didn't he or Trier take the ball to the basket? They had some success with that. Why draw up a play for a 3 when you are one point down? This makes no sense.

    PG starting position goes to Frank!!! After last night and seeing both Payton and DSJ there is no way Fiz can give the job to nobody but Frank. Both Payton and DSJ looked horrible. DSJ has lost his confident!!! We better try and trade him before this get worst. Payton too!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Raider View Post
    Question: After seeing the N.O. player Walker drafted at #17 do you think RJ is better than him? I have said a precious post that there were no players worth a top 10 pick in this years draft. I still believe that. We shouldn't have drafted RJ instead trade back to ATL for there two picks. Wouldn't you have a another player only with the kid Walker right now. I certainly would!!!

    One the league stop letting RJ go left then will see what kind of player he is. That kid Walker impress the HELL out of me last night. He was on my radar before the draft but N.O. 1st pick(Hayes) was and I still wish we would have traded back.

    As for Randle...You have seen him in the last two games choke. One at the free throw line the other on the last shot of the game. He is not the 'Main Guy' material. Last shot is for player like D. Rose and M. Beasley who we let walk. They have ice water in their veins. Dotson and Mudiay(if we had him) would have been better. Question- Why didn't he or Trier take the ball to the basket? They had some success with that. Why draw up a play for a 3 when you are one point down? This makes no sense.

    PG starting position goes to Frank!!! After last night and seeing both Payton and DSJ there is no way Fiz can give the job to nobody but Frank. Both Payton and DSJ looked horrible. DSJ has lost his confident!!! We better try and trade him before this get worst. Payton too!!
    Problem is there are no guarantees that youíre going to pick the right player when you trade back. That kid Thybulle the Sixers picked at 20 looks really good but he dropped during the draft like something was wrong with him. RJ was the safe choice though Hunter of the Hawks might have a better career, he might be the next PG for them.

    Iím happy with RJ, Fiz is going to have him in the starting lineup opening day which is a credit to him. Heís earned that starting spot, multidimensional player that you can play at 3 spots, NBA body already at 19, not afraid of the moment. Knicks fans are falling in love with him and that ainít easy to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tiger0330 View Post
    Problem is there are no guarantees that you’re going to pick the right player when you trade back. That kid Thybulle the Sixers picked at 20 looks really good but he dropped during the draft like something was wrong with him. RJ was the safe choice though Hunter of the Hawks might have a better career, he might be the next PG for them.

    I’m happy with RJ, Fiz is going to have him in the starting lineup opening day which is a credit to him. He’s earned that starting spot, multidimensional player that you can play at 3 spots, NBA body already at 19, not afraid of the moment. Knicks fans are falling in love with him and that ain’t easy to do.
    MULTIDIMENSIONAL PLAYER?? That can only go LEFT!!! Not sure where you got that from but if you want to believe it OK.

    NBA Body?? I must be looking at someone else!!! I see an 19 year old body that not that muscular.

    Ellington is more suited to start at the SG than RJ. Dotson just got back and man the SG pretty good last season. So what are you doing giving the SG to RJ just like they trying to give PG to DSJ?

    This is going to be a big problem for the Knicks. Giving playing time and position when they aren't EARNED!! That was the problem last year with Trier not passing the ball and THJ and Trey Burks call him out about it. What happen to them?? Don't you know that kind of stuff get around to other players.

    Let's be honest with one another and quit trying to paint a pretty picture of a sad situation. The Knicks should have trade back with ATL for two picks. If Perry and Mills had kept C. Gaines around you would have had better chance at finding talent. Which they don't know anything about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Raider View Post
    MULTIDIMENSIONAL PLAYER?? That can only go LEFT!!! Not sure where you got that from but if you want to believe it OK.

    NBA Body?? I must be looking at someone else!!! I see an 19 year old body that not that muscular.

    Ellington is more suited to start at the SG than RJ. Dotson just got back and man the SG pretty good last season. So what are you doing giving the SG to RJ just like they trying to give PG to DSJ?

    This is going to be a big problem for the Knicks. Giving playing time and position when they aren't EARNED!! That was the problem last year with Trier not passing the ball and THJ and Trey Burks call him out about it. What happen to them?? Don't you know that kind of stuff get around to other players.

    Let's be honest with one another and quit trying to paint a pretty picture of a sad situation. The Knicks should have trade back with ATL for two picks. If Perry and Mills had kept C. Gaines around you would have had better chance at finding talent. Which they don't know anything about.
    Solid points about trading back, although I think this applied more so in previous yrs. RJ looks pretty good in his own right, while he is a dominant left handed player he has finished going right in a few gms and is a work in progress. He can play multiple positions and roles. I'm happy he's a Knick and I feel he's the best rookie we've drafted in forever. If anything we need to make a trade and trim the fat on this team(any of Knits, Trier, Dotson, Knox)...not sure why our fan base struggles with the 48min clock thinking all of our redundant roster will excel, especially in a system that's isn't high octane, sophisticated, nor defined
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    The confusion is some see what RJ is right now while others see what heíll become when he hits his prime.... 23,24,25....

    Barrett has been his classís top player for years. Heís an iron man, who always plays.

    Would I trade back to 17? No way! Especially with the way we draft. We really need more lottery picks? Are team is littered with them....

    We need sure things. RJ is as close to a sure thing as weíve seen in a while. Iím not gonna go ga-ga over a few preseason performances, just bc the 17th pick had a nice game.

    RJ has been doin it for years.

    RJ is 6Ē7í.... thatís not an NBA body? Come on now.

    Look, it may not work out.... but at least if it doesnít, you still made the right call.

    Otherwise, name the 2 guys you wouldíve swapped RJ for and we will revisit this come 2024.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mafra View Post
    The confusion is some see what RJ is right now while others see what he’ll become when he hits his prime.... 23,24,25....

    Barrett has been his class’s top player for years. He’s an iron man, who always plays.

    Would I trade back to 17? No way! Especially with the way we draft. We really need more lottery picks? Are team is littered with them....

    We need sure things. RJ is as close to a sure thing as we’ve seen in a while. I’m not gonna go ga-ga over a few preseason performances, just bc the 17th pick had a nice game.

    RJ has been doin it for years.

    RJ is 6¬Ē7¬í.... that¬ís not an NBA body? Come on now.

    Look, it may not work out.... but at least if it doesn’t, you still made the right call.

    Otherwise, name the 2 guys you would’ve swapped RJ for and we will revisit this come 2024.
    Brandon Ingram of the Pelican is 6'9" does he have an NBA body?? As much as I like Ingram as a player and would love for the Knicks to trade for him. The answer is NO!!! So height doesn't make an NBA body.

    This last draft was as weak a draft in years. But we keep the 3rd overall pick for a player from Duke and say he is a sure thing. Gentlemen...I don't drink the Duke Kool-aid. Again, I saw NO ONE who merited a top 10 pick this year draft. A weak draft and you need as much help as possible. Give me a Break!!! That is the reason you have a C. Gaines to guide you thru the maze of player. That is how we got Dotson, Frank, Knox, Robinson and Trier. Yes Knox, Robinson and Trier are C. Gaines picks. If you remember they(Mills & Perry...more Perry than Mills) kept Gaines around long enough to finish the draft then let him go. Placing Craig Robinson in Gaines position but keeping him until after the draft. They didn't know what in the hell to do. Then they tank(in the worst year to tank) in order to get a high draft pick but in the weakest draft in years.

    Would I have trade back HELL YEAH!! Every time I think about it I get mad. Name two guys?? Well, I gave you one in the Walker(#17) and I like the kid from Jaxon Hayes also with the Hawks. Again, this is if we trade back. I had more on my list. I agree with you about going ga-ga over a player having a nice game. Walker showed me something last night that RJ doesn't process and that is a more all-around game. He took the ball to the basket left and right. He handle the ball better than RJ. We aren't even going to talk about his jump shooting. You want to be save and take RJ. Well, we got him and I'm not please at all. Again, I don't drink the Duke kool-aid. I don't see the HYPE!!

    A #3 pick should be dynamic player. One that should start but command big minutes because what he bring to the table. One that can change a game on both in of the floor. One that his teammates look at him when they need a basket. One that when you coming off the floor during a time-out and the other team just make a run at you and they look at him!!! Question: Is RJ that type of player??? Quote YOU " if it doesn’t, you still made the right call". If doesn't you didn't make the right call. You don't have to give a position to the player I just describe. HE EARNED IT!!

    I not be around in 2024 so I want Mills, Perry, Fiz, everybody in the Front office, everybody draft this year and all of the F.A signed this year GONE!!! IMMEDIATELY!!!

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    Iím not sure if you follow HS b-ball, FIBA, the All-American circuit.... but, if not, I hope you realize that RJ Barrett, at this time last year, just 12 months ago, was the unquestionable top overall pick in the 2019 and 2020 Draft Class... and 1 of the better top prospects to come out in some time.... The kid shouldíve been playing HS last season but reclassified bc he wanted chance to play with Zion.
    You realize that? He should be a freshman at Duke this season.

    RJ has been dominating all levels of play, at high level competition, since he was 13.

    The kid is 19 years old, is 6Ē7í AND TWO HUNDRED & FIFTEEN pounds. I mean, what are you looking for from your starting SG?

    For a G, he has a prototypical body type.... he already has a post game and can rebound. He doesnít mind contact!

    I donít want quality.... I want quality. I understand diversifying risk, and seeking 2:1 when circumstances warrant it... but I didnít want the kid from VA or Texas Tech plus another mid-rounder.

    I wanted Zion, JA, or RJ. Iím tired of losing... we finally won something and some wanted to trade that away, like that has ever worked out for us?

    Ian Begley, SNY.tv | Twitter |

    The Knicks may not know who their starting point guard is yet, but it's seems like they have shooting guard figured out.

    Rookie R.J. Barrett locked that position up with a strong performance in the Knicks' preseason finale on Friday. He had 19 points (9-for-12 shooting), six rebounds and three assists in a loss to New Orleans.

    "He's a very good player," Pelicans coach Alvin Gentry said Friday night. "Ö. Good scorer. He's obviously worked on his body and gotten stronger. I think that's gonna help. He's a playmaker. He's a kid that's learning the game and I think you can see he's going to be a really really good player in this league for a lot of years."

    He doesn't look like a rookie," David Fizdale said. "He's a tough kid. He really knows how to play and he's fearless."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Raider View Post
    MULTIDIMENSIONAL PLAYER?? That can only go LEFT!!! Not sure where you got that from but if you want to believe it OK.

    NBA Body?? I must be looking at someone else!!! I see an 19 year old body that not that muscular.

    Ellington is more suited to start at the SG than RJ. Dotson just got back and man the SG pretty good last season. So what are you doing giving the SG to RJ just like they trying to give PG to DSJ?

    This is going to be a big problem for the Knicks. Giving playing time and position when they aren't EARNED!! That was the problem last year with Trier not passing the ball and THJ and Trey Burks call him out about it. What happen to them?? Don't you know that kind of stuff get around to other players.

    Let's be honest with one another and quit trying to paint a pretty picture of a sad situation. The Knicks should have trade back with ATL for two picks. If Perry and Mills had kept C. Gaines around you would have had better chance at finding talent. Which they don't know anything about.
    This is what the Post wrote about the kid in his 4 games. I'd say he's multidimensional esp for a rookie.

    Overall in the four games, Barrett showed he can play with pace, rebound, move the ball and defend. He averaged 15.8 points, 3.3 assists and 6.8 rebounds, shooting 46.3 percent overall – 33 percent from 3-point land.

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    Of all the issues on our roster, Iím least concerned about RJ. We have the leagueís worst PG rotation and Iím starting to worry about MRobís ability to stay on the court.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mafra View Post
    I’m not sure if you follow HS b-ball, FIBA, the All-American circuit.... but, if not, I hope you realize that RJ Barrett, at this time last year, just 12 months ago, was the unquestionable top overall pick in the 2019 and 2020 Draft Class... and 1 of the better top prospects to come out in some time.... The kid should’ve been playing HS last season but reclassified bc he wanted chance to play with Zion.
    You realize that? He should be a freshman at Duke this season.

    RJ has been dominating all levels of play, at high level competition, since he was 13.

    The kid is 19 years old, is 6”7’ AND TWO HUNDRED & FIFTEEN pounds. I mean, what are you looking for from your starting SG?

    For a G, he has a prototypical body type.... he already has a post game and can rebound. He doesn’t mind contact!

    I don’t want quality.... I want quality. I understand diversifying risk, and seeking 2:1 when circumstances warrant it... but I didn’t want the kid from VA or Texas Tech plus another mid-rounder.

    I wanted Zion, JA, or RJ. I’m tired of losing... we finally won something and some wanted to trade that away, like that has ever worked out for us?

    Ian Begley, SNY.tv | Twitter |

    The Knicks may not know who their starting point guard is yet, but it's seems like they have shooting guard figured out.

    Rookie R.J. Barrett locked that position up with a strong performance in the Knicks' preseason finale on Friday. He had 19 points (9-for-12 shooting), six rebounds and three assists in a loss to New Orleans.

    "He's a very good player," Pelicans coach Alvin Gentry said Friday night. "…. Good scorer. He's obviously worked on his body and gotten stronger. I think that's gonna help. He's a playmaker. He's a kid that's learning the game and I think you can see he's going to be a really really good player in this league for a lot of years."

    He doesn't look like a rookie," David Fizdale said. "He's a tough kid. He really knows how to play and he's fearless."
    No, I do not follow FIBA or All-American circuit. I do follow H-S in my area. No I didn't know he re-classified himself in order to play with Zion. Good for him!!! So point is that we got a gem in RJ. I see what you are going for the sure thing in picking a player. That OK... But if you have as many problem as the Knicks you need well rounded players and a lot of them. I think you meant "I don't want Quantity"... "I want Quality". I want players that can hit there jumper, defend their position, rebound their position, pass the ball. Is RJ at #3 all of those things? You know the answer it it NO. At best I see an average player and you "DON'T DRAFT AVERAGE PLAYER AT #3".
    This what you draft at #3---A #3 pick should be dynamic player. One that should start but command big minutes because what he bring to the table. One that can change a game on both in of the floor. One that his teammates look at him when they need a basket. One that when you coming off the floor during a time-out and the other team just make a run at you and they look at him!!! Question: Is RJ that type of player??? You don't have to give a position to the player I just describe. HE EARNED IT!!

    If the player I just describe if RJ then we have nothing to worry about. You never answer whether he was all of those things.

    As for tire of Losing... I'm right behind you or shoulder to shoulder. Questions: What solve our problems, problems, problems??? What did we win if the last draft goal was Zion and we in up with RJ? Nowhere did I ever see anything about RJ being want we wanted or just as good as Zion. Now I didn't want either... Nobody jump out at me in last year that merited a #1 thru #10. A very weak draft.

    Nobody talk bad about a young player like RJ. They all say nice things about them coaches and reporters. Fiz got to say what the front office wants him to say. Now that is another story you and I need to discuss as fans. I don't owe RJ a thing in life. I'm a Knick fan and RJ doesn't move the needle for me or this team. Anthony Davis move the needle for me. That Walker kid makes me sit-up and start looking real close. Looks well rounded.

    All kids may not have all the hype as RJ and Zion. Do you remember a kid draft by Bullets years ago that came in and moved his team from LAST to FIRST. He process the right talents to move that team. That player was Wes Unseld. Won MVP and ROY!! If as a team the Knicks can't get this(last to first) then WHY DRAFT A PLAYER AT #3 THAT CAN'T DO THIS????

    You can bring in B. King all you want to talk to RJ. I know B. King....He's No Bernard King!!! He doesn't have that kind of SWAGGER. If you know what I mean.

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    Quote Originally Posted by htr10 View Post
    Of all the issues on our roster, Iím least concerned about RJ. We have the leagueís worst PG rotation and Iím starting to worry about MRobís ability to stay on the court.
    If our PGs donít come around, Perry is going trade for one, I give it a month. Though I think Payton and DSJ will play better once the season starts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by htr10 View Post
    Of all the issues on our roster, I’m least concerned about RJ. We have the league’s worst PG rotation and I’m starting to worry about MRob’s ability to stay on the court.
    The Knicks PG rotation are weak because of coach Fizdale! Plus Fiz lineups and substitution are very questionable in games!
    In the Pelicans game, I couldn't write one negative comment bout DSJ performance when the odds weren't in his favor. Pelicans coach Gentry attacked the Knicks guards with a trio guard lineup of PG-Jrue, PG-Ball, and 6.9 point-forward Ingram, that's 3 PG against one PG.
    When will Fizdale open his eyes to see the majority of NBA winning teams been having two PG in their lineups SMH
    I was fooled to believe throughout the offseason our first, second, and third preseason game would have had Frank & DSJ in the starting lineup sharing the point.
    I was also fooled to believe Fizdale would have at least a couple decent half-court plays written up for the final minute of each quarter.

    MitchRob should be performing worried these days, after the Knicks head-coach and front-office refuse to invest in MitchRob's NBA growth by not resigning a great mentor and starting-center DeAndre Jordan to the same 2 yr $30M contract given to Portis.
    Having DeAndre Jordan sign an extension before last season ended would have helped the Knicks a little better in the FA market for star players in the offseason. It would have been nice this season having DJ in the back ground teaching Knox & MitchRob how to play above the rim like DJ and Blake Griffin did on the Clippers.

    If Fizdale put rookie RJ Barrett in the starting lineup in the Knicks first regular season game .. I will name him Puppet-Fizdale throughout the 2019-20 season.
    I will admit rookie RJ Barrett high IQ and quick athleticism performance in the preseason games has won the 6th Man job over Knick players Trier Dotson and Knox for the regular season games.

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