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    This RJ vs Dotson debate baffles me. They are almost completely different kinds of players. One is 19 and the other is 25. One is under team control for 4 seasons, the other is a free agent at the end of the season and unlikely to be resigned (what does mafra always say?...last guy to resign was Charlie Ward?).

    This isnt like Ntilikina vs DSJ where one guy is clearly playing at the expense of the other guys minutes.

    The only thing these guys have in common is that we have barely won with each of them in the starting lineup.

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    Im against NYK on NYK crimes. It just seems like, there are some, no matter what the thread or topic of conversation, it always morphs back to RJ sux, D-Dot great.

    I wish for the latter and abhor reading the former.

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    Quote Originally Posted by htr10 View Post
    This RJ vs Dotson debate baffles me. They are almost completely different kinds of players. One is 19 and the other is 25. One is under team control for 4 seasons, the other is a free agent at the end of the season and unlikely to be resigned (what does mafra always say?...last guy to resign was Charlie Ward?).

    This isn’t like Ntilikina vs DSJ where one guy is clearly playing at the expense of the other guy’s minutes.

    The only thing these guys have in common is that we have barely won with each of them in the starting lineup.
    RJ vs. Dot like you say I don't think it matters that much who starts as far as the won loss. More important is the PG position and Frank/DSJ look to be getting it.

    Frank in particular looks to be more aggressive, an example is one shot he took in the first half where he was wide open but hesitated but put the ball on the floor, stepped back and made the shot, earlier in the season Nits would have passed on the shot. He's gaining confidence and Fiz talks with him to be aggressive seem to be having an effect.
    I noticed the vets also encouraging Nits, putting their arm around his shoulder and having a word with him, and I see MM mentioned that he's trying to motivate Nits to stay aggressive.

    Yesterday's game was the first of the next 11 with teams that made the playoffs last year, solid PG play on the first and second unit couldn't come at a better time, that's going to have more impact than whether Fiz starts RJ or Dot.
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    When a reporter asked Fizdale after the game, point-blank, if Ntilkina just doesnt give a fk anymore, the Knicks coach smiled.

    I told you about the meeting we had, Fizdale said. It was basically: F it. Im not going to be worried about all that stuff anymore. I think hes cut back on what hes reading and helped him keep a clear head. I like the way hes managing the game and going about attacking.

    Ntilikina was 6-of-8 from the field and lo and behold his shooting percentage is now up to 40 percent. Last season, Ntilikina heard his name being bandied about on the trading block, even on draft night in June

    (Im just) working the game, getting easy shots and taking what the defense gives to us, Ntilikina said. We felt more comfortable moving the ball, and thats the work that weve put in since training camp.

    The 4-11 Knicks are a minus-0.6 points per game when Ntilikina is on the court. When the Frenchman is off the court, the Knicks are minus-6.3 points per game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mafra View Post
    When a reporter asked Fizdale after the game, point-blank, if Ntilkina just doesn’t give a f–k anymore, the Knicks coach smiled.

    “I told you about the meeting we had,’’ Fizdale said. “It was basically: ‘F it.’ I’m not going to be worried about all that stuff anymore. I think he’s cut back on what he’s reading and helped him keep a clear head. I like the way he’s managing the game and going about attacking.’’

    Ntilikina was 6-of-8 from the field and – lo and behold – his shooting percentage is now up to 40 percent. Last season, Ntilikina heard his name being bandied about on the trading block, even on draft night in June

    “(I’m just) working the game, getting easy shots and taking what the defense gives to us,’’ Ntilikina said. “We felt more comfortable moving the ball, and that’s the work that we’ve put in since training camp.’’

    The 4-11 Knicks are a minus-0.6 points per game when Ntilikina is on the court. When the Frenchman is off the court, the Knicks are minus-6.3 points per game.
    Another thing I like about the kid is he's all about the team. It's always WE, never I, withhim. I would be surprised if both of the kids (Frank DSJ) can keep this up that it doesn't translate to Ws.

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    Quote Originally Posted by htr10 View Post
    This RJ vs Dotson debate baffles me. They are almost completely different kinds of players. One is 19 and the other is 25. One is under team control for 4 seasons, the other is a free agent at the end of the season and unlikely to be resigned (what does mafra always say?...last guy to resign was Charlie Ward?).

    This isnt like Ntilikina vs DSJ where one guy is clearly playing at the expense of the other guys minutes.

    The only thing these guys have in common is that we have barely won with each of them in the starting lineup.
    The past two season the Knicks front-office decision-making and moves throughout the season were to TANK TANK the season.
    There's not much to be baffled about .. the NBA starter guards are the reason RJ Barrett should be coming off the bench!
    Teams like Atlanta Hawks and Memphis Grizzles they Desperate! They need a star (Trae/JMorrant) to bring a fan base. Knicks don't!
    If RJ Barrett was a offense or defensive threat on the court to opposing teams they would work on putting RJ Barrett into early foul trouble like they been doing Frank.
    When you count the NBA guards that live at the FT line like Hardaway, Curry, Lilard, Lou, CP3, Luka, DM, Booker, Beal, Butler, Kyrie, Vanvleet, Lowry, Dragic, Smart, Kemba, Trae, Brogdon .. these guards are the reason RJ Barrett should be on the bench watching all these guards trick-moves to get defenders to foul them in his rookie season at the start of every game. Instead of falling for these guards trick-moves at the end of the game.

    There's nothing to be baffled about ....
    Dotson & Frank should've been given a chance to lead a lineup as tandem-guards in their rookie season, and also in their 2nd season, but they weren't because Dolan's Front-office had each head-coach experimenting each game on LOSING by putting in TANKING lineups .. Timmy, Lee, Baker, Session, Jack, Burke, Mudiay, Trier, and hope he make it Kadeem Allen .... True? or False?
    There was never any type of development .. until these past few games having Frank & Gibson in the rotation working around ISO Randle/Morris/RJ
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiyaman View Post
    The past two season the Knicks front-office decision-making and moves throughout the season were to TANK TANK the season.
    There's not much to be baffled about .. the NBA starter guards are the reason RJ Barrett should be coming off the bench!
    If RJ Barrett was a offense or defensive threat on the court to opposing teams they would work on putting RJ Barrett into early foul trouble like they been doing Frank.
    When you count the NBA guards that live at the FT line like Hardaway, Curry, Lilard, Lou, CP3, Luka, DM, Booker, Beal, Butler, Kyrie, Vanvleet, Lowry, Dragic, Smart, Kemba, Trae, Brogdon .. these guards are the reason RJ Barrett should be on the bench watching all these guards trick-moves to get defenders to foul them in his rookie season at the start of every game. Instead of falling for these guards trick-moves at the end of the game.

    There's nothing to be baffled about ....
    Dotson & Frank should've been given a chance to lead a lineup as tandem-guards in their rookie season, and also in their 2nd season, but they weren't because Dolan's Front-office had each head-coach experimenting each game on LOSING by putting in TANKING lineups .. Timmy, Lee, Baker, Session, Jack, Burke, Mudiay, Trier, and hope he make it Kadeem Allen .... True? or False?
    There was never any type of development until these past games having Frank & Dotson in the rotation.
    Were not going to win regardless of who starts for us. Dotson is gone at the end of the year. I just dont get the Dotson obsession. Hes an okay player, but were losing 55 to 60 games at least this season with him playing 30 minutes a game or him playing 3 minutes a game.

    I mean, Dotson played 28 minutes per game for us last season and we were the worst team in the NBA. Cmon at this point with all this Dotson nonsense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by htr10 View Post
    We’re not going to win regardless of who starts for us. Dotson is gone at the end of the year. I just don’t get the Dotson obsession. He’s an okay player, but we’re losing 55 to 60 games at least this season with him playing 30 minutes a game or him playing 3 minutes a game.

    I mean, Dotson played 28 minutes per game for us last season and we were the worst team in the NBA. C’mon at this point with all this Dotson nonsense.
    We all know it would be wrong to take decent playing rookie out of the starter lineup after 15 games ..
    Fizdale already received a Grade F for failure in the Knicks 2018-19-20 Starter lineup ..
    how many times he change the starter lineup?

    I'm thinking of what Coach Pop or Doc would have done with our Knick roster ....
    It would've been nice to see RJ performance work its way to be the Knicks 6th man off the bench by the 10th game of the season .. RJ should be used at the SG/SF spot (Not PG) at SF having Frank & Dotson depth at guards creating transition lineups .. to take advantage of alot of the weak opposing teams .. Sorry, Knox has to be taken out of the rotation for a few games .... And the long minute of playing-time the Randle & Morris tandem received has to get cut down tremendously until the two players could come up with a few team-ball plays on offense .. their end of the game ISO heroics has the Knicks at 4-11 Knicks !!!

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