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    Quote Originally Posted by mafra View Post
    I read this:

    “ Fizdale courted controversy early when he started Kevin Knox at shooting guard in place of a sick RJ Barrett. The experiment failed, as it was destined to do. Brooklyn jumped out to a quick lead before New York’s bench rallied. Knox started the second half, picked up his fourth foul, and never returned. Fascinating coaching decision.”

    It sounds like this is where the rift is between Fiz and Perry. Perry wants Fiz to play his pick but coach has him in the dog house.

    Sounds like some internal stuff going on... why else would he go from dog house to starter? Obviously, Dotson should’ve started... Knox is lost right now.

    So, another game Fiz throws away for stupid rotations....
    Remember how I said this pick never made any real sense as to why we drafted him? It came down to Knox being more competitive during a workout and I was like why did they use the workout as the final decision maker vs what they saw overall as a talent?

    I figured Bridges(Miles) was better based on film(so far he is) by what they accomplished in college. Knox was knocked for a having a "low motor" and disappearing during the action(he does). Now is Knox better than what we've seen so far...probably so but not at the expense of the team in order to find out, he isn't.

    I said the same of Trier and Robinson, although in Trier's case he was undrafted. Robinson is a project and we wouldn't know what we have until 3yrs later and Trier was really just a side show player.

    Stank Frank got schooled by Dinwiddie tonight(he's not even that good) and he absolutely sucks as our starting point guard. Imagine if Stank was good as Dinwiddie(I believe he was undrafted too, I could be wrong)?

    We have the worst offense in the league(offense efficiency) and we usually start games slow. We have to dumb down the system in order for certain players to play and he's one of them. I thought maybe he'd be Rondo...not really even close

    Marcus Morris is our best player when he should be our 3rd or 4th...Randle is a huge disappointment, he should be our best player

    Hopefully Fizdale gets whacked during Thanksgiving break(maybe before the Celtic game)...This team is AWFUL!
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    S.Bondy (NY DN)

    Frank Ntilikina has been drawing big praise for his play lately, but his glaring deficiency — his sporadic jumper — cost the Knicks in a big spot.

    The Frenchman clanked a wide-open trey that would’ve tied the game with 44 seconds remaining, leaving the Knicks to absorb another defeat Sunday night, 103-101, to the Nets.

    “Great, great look. Great possession. Great pass from Taj (Gibson). Wide open. Missed it,” Ntilikina said. “Now next shot I got to go back in the gym and be ready to take that shot the next time.

    Ntilikina missed four of his five 3-point attempts against the Nets, dropping his season percentage to 32%. His big attempt would’ve capped an inspired run and given the Knicks their first tie since early in the third quarter. The Garden was itching to explode when the 21-year-old lined up from the corner.

    “In my head it was in,” he said. “Even if I missed a couple shots before I was ready for this one. I missed it. It’s part of the game.”

    Ntilikina, who finished with eight points in 32 minutes on 3-of-11 shooting, was also responsible for guarding Brooklyn’s leading scorer, Spencer Dinwiddie.

    The Nets’ plan was to switch Ntilikina off Dinwiddie via screens, and the Nets guard, who finished with 30 points, ate at the foul line with 13 made from the charity stripe. Ntilikina said Dinwiddie was good at working the officials.

    “He’s just a really talented player offensively who knows how to create contact and play with the referees,” Ntilikina said. “He’s really smart getting to his arms and he’s really good on touches going to the basket so another talented guard we had to face. So it was a challenge.”

    Both Dinwiddie and Nets coach Kenny Atkinson gushed about the opposing point guard.

    “Frank is a phenomenal defender,” Dinwiddie said. “He makes it as tough as the elite guys in the league: He’s in that class. I was able to shoot a lot of free throws, attack in transition. It’s not like I had 30 just on Frank. Frank did a great job, made me work all night. It was tough. He is a great defender.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by tiger0330 View Post
    I wonder if the front office is still going to fire him after that hatchet job they did on him after the CLE game? Perry and Mills have to see its the roster more than Fizdale, maybe they wait to see what Bullock brings to the table before making a decision on Fizdale.
    If this is their line of reasoning they should be fire immediately with no opportunity to ever work in the NBA again. Our roster is an issue but we shouldn't be dead last to near last in many main statistical categories

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    Quote Originally Posted by mafra View Post
    S.Bondy (NY DN)

    Frank Ntilikina has been drawing big praise for his play lately, but his glaring deficiency — his sporadic jumper — cost the Knicks in a big spot.

    The Frenchman clanked a wide-open trey that would’ve tied the game with 44 seconds remaining, leaving the Knicks to absorb another defeat Sunday night, 103-101, to the Nets.

    “Great, great look. Great possession. Great pass from Taj (Gibson). Wide open. Missed it,” Ntilikina said. “Now next shot I got to go back in the gym and be ready to take that shot the next time.

    Ntilikina missed four of his five 3-point attempts against the Nets, dropping his season percentage to 32%. His big attempt would’ve capped an inspired run and given the Knicks their first tie since early in the third quarter. The Garden was itching to explode when the 21-year-old lined up from the corner.

    “In my head it was in,” he said. “Even if I missed a couple shots before I was ready for this one. I missed it. It’s part of the game.”

    Ntilikina, who finished with eight points in 32 minutes on 3-of-11 shooting, was also responsible for guarding Brooklyn’s leading scorer, Spencer Dinwiddie.

    The Nets’ plan was to switch Ntilikina off Dinwiddie via screens, and the Nets guard, who finished with 30 points, ate at the foul line with 13 made from the charity stripe. Ntilikina said Dinwiddie was good at working the officials.

    “He’s just a really talented player offensively who knows how to create contact and play with the referees,” Ntilikina said. “He’s really smart getting to his arms and he’s really good on touches going to the basket so another talented guard we had to face. So it was a challenge.”

    Both Dinwiddie and Nets coach Kenny Atkinson gushed about the opposing point guard.

    “Frank is a phenomenal defender,” Dinwiddie said. “He makes it as tough as the elite guys in the league: He’s in that class. I was able to shoot a lot of free throws, attack in transition. It’s not like I had 30 just on Frank. Frank did a great job, made me work all night. It was tough. He is a great defender.”
    Sexton/White/Dinwiddie/Graham/Mills/Murray/Snell

    Tell me which one of these players are All-Star/ALL-NBA caliber? We are falling for the ole banana in the tailpipe. We were told if we played Stank our defensive woes would rapidly disappear and looks like we're trying to have it both ways as it's being sold every which way

    I've watched too much basketball for too long to fall for any of this crap. Wait until he gets to the "really talented guards"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Broadway View Post
    If this is their line of reasoning they should be fire immediately with no opportunity to ever work in the NBA again. Our roster is an issue but we shouldn't be dead last to near last in many main statistical categories
    Now I'm reading they may make the decision to tank by Dec 15 and start trading the guys they picked up in the off season. In which case Fizdale is making a pitch for his job saying the Nets took 4 years to develop their young players and build a roster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mafra View Post
    I read this:

    “ Fizdale courted controversy early when he started Kevin Knox at shooting guard in place of a sick RJ Barrett. The experiment failed, as it was destined to do. Brooklyn jumped out to a quick lead before New York’s bench rallied. Knox started the second half, picked up his fourth foul, and never returned. Fascinating coaching decision.”

    It sounds like this is where the rift is between Fiz and Perry. Perry wants Fiz to play his pick but coach has him in the dog house.

    Sounds like some internal stuff going on... why else would he go from dog house to starter? Obviously, Dotson should’ve started... Knox is lost right now.

    So, another game Fiz throws away for stupid rotations....

    Fizdale is the Knicks front-office PUPPET on a string .. everybody and their mama knows Dotson should've been the starter SG from day one of the season, except the Phil HATING Knicks Front-Office !!!
    This act of putting POOR performing Knox in the starter lineup (for Injured RJ) confirm the conspiracy of the front-office jealousy of Phil's players .. in two season Fizdale has never put Frank & Dotson in a lineup to get the chance to become the Knicks tandem back-court guards.

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    It is as if Fiz is trying to find the lottery ticket in playing people out of their natural position to eventually say that he created something special, why all our players looks out of place on the court, are we the only team who have the Power forwards dribbling the ball and directing the offence? do you feel that Knox is very raw and needs to be coached in his natural position to flourish rather than playing as a guard?!
    if we can't beat a team like the Nets with their star player on the bench, who can we beat, will we keep experimenting with players outside their position till we end with 16 wins season?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Broadway View Post
    Sexton/White/Dinwiddie/Graham/Mills/Murray/Snell

    Tell me which one of these players are All-Star/ALL-NBA caliber? We are falling for the ole banana in the tailpipe. We were told if we played Stank our defensive woes would rapidly disappear and looks like we're trying to have it both ways as it's being sold every which way

    I've watched too much basketball for too long to fall for any of this crap. Wait until he gets to the "really talented guards"
    Dimwitty was a second rounder (DET).

    “Dinwiddie might have ended up a very interesting Knick if they’d (Phil) drafted him early in the 2014 second round instead of Cleanthony Early, currently hooping for Atomerőmű SE in the Hungarian Nemzeti Bajnokság I/A.”


    Yeah, average to good guards destroy us... To defend Frank, we switch in everything... so they sent a pick, we switch, then G takes our big for a ride.

    Not like it was straight up Mano y Mano.

    Sad state of affairs when the only thing you have to root for is MAYBE a guy like Frank us a bench role player down the road when we get better...

    Maybe MItch and RJ are starters.... maybe....

    That’s about it.

    As a Broncos fan, too, man... some terrible offense lately between these two clubs.

    As for Fiz, it’s hard to rag on the dude bc look at the roster he was given. Mills and Perry promised a big free agency this Summer.... to go with KP. He didn’t sign up for this.
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    The last time the Knicks were good, they were 13-4 after 17 games. On December 5, 2012 they rode a not-fake comeback to a 100-98 win over the Charlotte Hornets. Carmelo Anthony led the way with 23. Tyson Chandler had 18 and 17. Ronnie Brewer started that night. So did Kurt Thomas.


    Since then, the Knicks have not been good. Their records after 17 games from 2013 through this season: 4-13, 4-13, 8-9, 8-9, 10-7, 4-13, and 4-13 yet again after a 103-101 loss to a Brooklyn Nets team missing Kyrie Irving and Caris LaVert.

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    Fizdale lamented the amount of “touch fouls’’ he’s seeing and said the difference in the game was the “foul discrepancy.” On Sunday, the Nets shot 34 free throws to the Knicks’ 16. The Knicks were called for 29 fouls to the Nets’ 16.

    Homecourt advantage isn’t what it was once.

    “You’re going to touch a guy,’’ said Robinson, who scored six points and had three rebounds. “Did I aggressively touch him or did I tap? I just think it’s because we have New York across our chest.’’

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    Quote Originally Posted by mafra View Post
    Fizdale lamented the amount of “touch fouls’’ he’s seeing and said the difference in the game was the “foul discrepancy.” On Sunday, the Nets shot 34 free throws to the Knicks’ 16. The Knicks were called for 29 fouls to the Nets’ 16.

    Homecourt advantage isn’t what it was once.

    “You’re going to touch a guy,’’ said Robinson, who scored six points and had three rebounds. “Did I aggressively touch him or did I tap? I just think it’s because we have New York across our chest.’’
    To hear coaches complain and lobby about reffing in the media is low budget, it solves nothing, never has never will.

    Bad teams will always complain about reffing along with their fans. I look forward to the day we are so good we don't even realize this game is being governed by them.

    In Robinson's case he really has done himself no favors by being a fouling machine his entire career. This reputation is following him, he's gotta learn how to play defense without fouling so much to be given more benefit of the doubt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Broadway View Post
    To hear coaches complain and lobby about reffing in the media is low budget, it solves nothing, never has never will.

    Bad teams will always complain about reffing along with their fans. I look forward to the day we are so good we don't even realize this game is being governed by them.

    In Robinson's case he really has done himself no favors by being a fouling machine his entire career. This reputation is following him, he's gotta learn how to play defense without fouling so much to be given more benefit of the doubt.
    I hear that, and if Nits knicks down the trey then game is tied and we might win in spite of...

    Still, in a 1 possession game late, ignoring an obvious goaltend and a quick technical was costly and bush league.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mafra View Post
    I hear that, and if Nits knicks down the trey then game is tied and we might win in spite of...

    Still, in a 1 possession game late, ignoring an obvious goaltend and a quick technical was costly and bush league.

    The same can be said of games we win, although far, few, and in-between. One of the main reasons I can't stand the ref talk cuhz it's truly a cover of hurt for bad teams. Like even when a team happens to be a good refs rarely if ever get praised so why is it only one-sided? Like get over the butt hurt of losing and who cares if it was against the Nets, like really who cares there's nothing going on with these two teams right now and hasn't been for some time. It's sports it's always your team>>>>>>the field...a rivalry only exist and matters when teams are truly good


    We're in the Top 15 in FTA/gm currently ranked 13th so we're getting calls. Some of the ambiguous stuff like goaltends, out of bounds plays, traveling, carrying, technicals...those are always going to be iffy at best. Guess what though. we're the worst FT% in the league at 67% and we're so bad we're like 5% worst than the next worst team. We're also 1-3 in games decided by 3pts or less. How about making some free throws!


    We're almost dead last in Ast/gm ranked 28th. We're almost dead last in FG% offense ranked 28th. I bet you have no idea who is #1 and this team is a Top 3 offense overall. So if you're bad in terms of Win-Losses at least be good in certain areas of the game. We're a middling team in FG% defense and Top 10 team 3pt FG% defense ranked 9th. This is why Fizdale will get blamed a lot, BE GOOD AT SOMETHING SIGNIFICANT, ANYTHING!!!


    Refs are the least of our issues, they've had almost zero impact on our season. And I'm quite certain a call or two was missed well before the game was in balance going against the Nets it's just of no concern to us in the moment if ever


    One last thing nothing has changed, stop playing games, especially at home where 1 possession decides a win or loss. I've said this repeatedly even if we had a star. Like I hated the phrase by fans of "yeah we need to have a guy who can get us clutch buckets to close out games, that go to go player"....uhmmmm yeah would be nice to have such player but how about having a guy who's so good we aren't heavily relying on his positive clutch results
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    Quote Originally Posted by Broadway View Post
    Sexton/White/Dinwiddie/Graham/Mills/Murray/Snell

    Tell me which one of these players are All-Star/ALL-NBA caliber? We are falling for the ole banana in the tailpipe. We were told if we played Stank our defensive woes would rapidly disappear and looks like we're trying to have it both ways as it's being sold every which way

    I've watched too much basketball for too long to fall for any of this crap. Wait until he gets to the "really talented guards"
    And u should've learned all the top guards in the NBA has a great tandem guard in their back-court lineup.
    Harden has Westbrook .. Curry has Klay .. Lillard has McCollum .. Lou has Bev .. Wall has Beal .. DLo had Dinwiddle etc etc.

    Why has Fizdale denied giving Frank & Dotson a chance to click together in a lineup?
    Do u think the front-office has a lot to do with it?
    Fizdale has put a million different lineup on the court in the past two season, but in two season Fizdale has refuse to tandem the two 3rd season Knick guards Frank & Dotson to become the Knicks main back-court guards running the offense.
    DSJ best game this season were when DSJ & Dotson were pulled off the bench and tandem in a lineup to be the back-court guards.
    DSJ & Dotson did so well, that the next game Fizdale pulled DSJ & Ellington off the bench to run the back-court .. WHY?

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    Having RJ out with injury, and the Nets top 2 scorers out with injury, wasn't this the game to see how well Frank & Dotson click together as tandem-guards in a lineup? Were Fizdale afraid of Dotson performance alongside Frank would have convince Knick fans Dotson belong in the starter lineup instead of rookie RJ Barrett?
    Its been two season of Fizdale's million lineup changes, and not once has Fizdale gave the two 3rd season guards Frank & Dotson the chance to get on the same-page by being in the same-lineup to run the offense as back-court guards. WHY?
    Fizdale putting Knox in the starter lineup were asking for the Injury-Nets to take a 11 pt lead in the first qtr. that the Knicks (DSJ Dotson Ellington Portis MitchRob) 2nd unit lineup had to come in to give the Knicks a 1 pt lead early in the 2nd qtr., which Fizdale hurried up and substituted the starters back into the lineup so the Nets could take the lead again.
    The Knicks front office has to have plans on being the first team to start trading players this season, and Dotson has to be one of the players they have plans on trading !!!
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