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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Raider View Post

    Not trying to be argumentative but isn't Westbrook a shoot-first guard?? That was his rep at OKC. It was all about him and nobody else.
    .500 season??? I would like a lot better than that.
    Having play-maker skills and above the rim Hops, plus a quick-step to score .. does not make Westbrook a shoot-first guard.
    Now, Harden is a shoot-first guard!
    On any given night super-star Russel Westbrook will hand you a Tripple-Double !!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiyaman View Post
    Having play-maker skills and above the rim Hops, plus a quick-step to score .. does not make Westbrook a shoot-first guard.
    Now, Harden is a shoot-first guard!
    On any given night super-star Russel Westbrook will hand you a Tripple-Double !!!
    Again, not trying to be argumentative!!

    This rep at both OKC and now Rockets say he is a shoot-first guard. With all the Triple-double he didn't make his team or teammate better. It was all about him. Westbrook needs the ball to effect the game. There aren't very many players that can effect the game without the ball and he is definitely not one of them.

    Westbrook only 'move the needle' for Westbrook. IMO, that isn't someone that the Knicks need now or in the future.

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    The Knicks are looking for a point guard and hold Dennis Schroder in high regard, per @SBondyNYDN

    ď Who wouldn't be high on Dennis Schroder? Among bench players this season, he is first in points and plus-minus, he's also 4th in assist and threes. Those stats are per Stat Muse. And while we're using that as a source, Sat Muse also reports that at 19.1 points per game, Schroder is on pace to have the highest-scoring season off the bench for the Thunder/Sonics in the three-point era. Friday night Schroder scored 24 vs. the Suns, was his 11th straight game to score 10 or more off the bench, which is the longest streak in the Thunder history.

    The Knicks are 14-36 and eight games out of the playoffs. Schroder has proven that he's more than capable of running his own team and New York, much like Oklahoma City is stocked with point guards. It is not clear if they would like to part with Frank Ntilikina, Elfird Payton, or Dennis Smith Jr. Peyton will be on expiring contract next season and is due 8-million, Ntilikina will be a restricted free agent at the end of 2020-2021, and any team that has him on the roster will have to make a qualifying offer of 8.3-million. Smith Jr. is in the same boat with a qualifying offer of 7.7 on his deal.

    Schroder will also be on an expiring contract next season. His current deal calls for him to make 15.5 in 2020-2021. With as important as Schroder and Chris Paul have become to the Thunder, it's hard to see Presti letting both of them go this season. However, letting Schroder get his chance to start for another organization would give Shai Gilgeous-Alexander more time at the one when Paul is on the bench. ď
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiyaman View Post
    Having play-maker skills and above the rim Hops, plus a quick-step to score .. does not make Westbrook a shoot-first guard.
    Now, Harden is a shoot-first guard!
    On any given night super-star Russel Westbrook will hand you a Tripple-Double !!!
    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Raider View Post

    Again, not trying to be argumentative!!

    This rep at both OKC and now Rockets say he is a shoot-first guard. With all the Triple-double he didn't make his team or teammate better. It was all about him. Westbrook needs the ball to effect the game. There aren't very many players that can effect the game without the ball and he is definitely not one of them.

    Westbrook only 'move the needle' for Westbrook. IMO, that isn't someone that the Knicks need now or in the future.
    I watch a lot of Rockets games and say.what you will like the guy that suggested the Knicks deal to get Russ but the I think Harden and Russ are phenomenal together. The 2 are the highest sco.ring tandem together at 62ppg about 10 pts better than the second best LeBron and AD. Russ has adapted his game to his strength and not what you would expect of a Rockets player, he's finally figured out a 20% 3 pt shooter shouldn't be taking 3s so he's attacking the basket and drawing fouls to get his 25 a night and not taking 3s

    Love watching the 2 play, way more than when CP3 was paired with Harden. Russ goes at it twice as hard as CP3 and I love his emotion on the court.

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    Two the 2 of you.
    Is Westbrooks a good fit for this team? Before you answer think about Randle, Bobby P., Ellington, Gibson and RJ. All of are odd pieces of this team that don't fit.

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    Apparently, Knicks owner James Dolan might not be satisfied with just getting rid of Fizdale. Rumor is that Dolan could be looking to clean house in the front office.

    And Sam Presti is reportedly one of the potential replacements that heís interested in.

    According to Stefan Bondy of the New York Daily News, Dolan could look to bring in Presti, that is if heís unable to get Raptors General Manager Masai Ujiri.

    ďDolan would love to pry Masai Ujiri out of Toronto, but thereís skepticism it can done with the team president under contract. Such a deal would be very complicated if the Raptors play hardball. Another name being mentioned around the league is Thunder president Sam Presti.Ē

    Presti has been on Dolanís radar for some time now. And considering the Thunderís success this season, itís not really surprising.

    2019-20 was supposed to be a rebuilding year in Oklahoma City after Presti traded away both Paul George and Russell Westbrook during the offseason.

    In return, Presti brought in Shai Gilgeous-Alexander, Danilo Gallinari and Chris Paul, along with a boatload of draft picks.

    Those pieces have fit together better than anyone couldíve anticipated, and instead of being at the bottom of the Western Conference, the Thunder are sitting solidly in seventh place and on their way to a postseason appearance.

    Presti is only 43, and under his leadership, Oklahoma City has 10 winning seasons in 12 years, including a trip to the NBA Finals in 2012.

    When it comes to Prestiís potential interest in New York, previous reports have indicated that Presti could be allowed to leave if an opportunity presented itself.

    óó-

    This is interesting, b/c Knicks are hot and heavy after Dennis Schroder.

    OKC has Paul and SGA... makes sense they move the coveted DS. Would he send him to NYK (knowing in his heart he has a chance to come to NYC)? Gets tricky, but with human nature being what it is....

    Letís just say, maybe he doesnít demand that extra piece or pick being tossed in.

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    an Begley, SNY.tv | Twitter |

    The Knicks have been in touch with several teams around the league to monitor the trade landscape, so it's not particularly noteworthy that they are among the teams who have touched base recently with the Golden State Warriors.

    What is somewhat noteworthy is that several teams say the Warriors are looking to making a trade to help them avoid the luxury tax this season or one that would reduce their future luxury tax bill, per SNY sources.

    The Knicks, of course, can help with that effort. They have several players with contracts that aren't guaranteed past this season. So, if they traded one or more of those players to Golden State, it could reduce the Warriors future tax commitments.

    ESPN reported that the Warriors could face a $75 million tax with the updated luxury tax projection for 2020-21. That figure is based on Golden State paying the dreaded repeater tax, which is in effect for teams that pay the tax in three of the previous four seasons.

    If Golden State gets below the luxury tax this season, they will avoid paying the repeater tax. There are a number of smaller transactions that could get Golden State below the luxury tax this season.

    Also, if the Warriors traded guard D'Angelo Russell, there are scenarios where they could shed some salary to help them towards a goal of getting under the tax this season. There are also scenarios where a Russell trade could reduce the Warriors' future tax bills.

    Just something to keep in mind as we get closer to Thursday's 3 p.m. ET NBA trade deadline.

    Other notes...

    Several teams have had conversations with the Knicks about potential deals involving Bobby Portis recently, per sources. Portis signed a two-year deal worth $15 million annually that isn't fully guaranteed for next season. He is averaging 9.4 points and 5.4 rebounds in 21 minutes per game for New York. Portis is shooting 35 percent from beyond the arc.

    SNY sources confirm that some with the Knicks would like to see the club pursue a point guard at the trade deadline, as the NY Daily News reported. OKC's Dennis Schroeder is among the point guards believed to be available. As noted earlier, the Knicks see Charlotte's Malik Monk as a potential trade target -- teams believe that the Knicks and Marcus Morris have strong mutual interest in Morris signing with New York in free agency this summer; this will impact Morris' value to teams interested in trading for him.

    SNY's Ian Begley previously reported Dec. 18 that the Minnesota Timberwolves were among several NBA teams interested in trading for Smith Jr. ahead of Feb. 6's afternoon deadline.

    At least one more team is known after the Orlando Magic "inquired" with the Knicks about Smith Jr., according to a Sunday afternoon report by Marc Berman of the New York Post.

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    I bet our lame duck front office does nothing between now and the trade deadline. Literally nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mafra View Post
    Apparently, Knicks owner James Dolan might not be satisfied with just getting rid of Fizdale. Rumor is that Dolan could be looking to clean house in the front office.

    And Sam Presti is reportedly one of the potential replacements that he’s interested in.

    According to Stefan Bondy of the New York Daily News, Dolan could look to bring in Presti, that is if he’s unable to get Raptors General Manager Masai Ujiri.

    “Dolan would love to pry Masai Ujiri out of Toronto, but there’s skepticism it can done with the team president under contract. Such a deal would be very complicated if the Raptors play hardball. Another name being mentioned around the league is Thunder president Sam Presti.”

    Presti has been on Dolan’s radar for some time now. And considering the Thunder’s success this season, it’s not really surprising.

    2019-20 was supposed to be a rebuilding year in Oklahoma City after Presti traded away both Paul George and Russell Westbrook during the offseason.

    In return, Presti brought in Shai Gilgeous-Alexander, Danilo Gallinari and Chris Paul, along with a boatload of draft picks.

    Those pieces have fit together better than anyone could’ve anticipated, and instead of being at the bottom of the Western Conference, the Thunder are sitting solidly in seventh place and on their way to a postseason appearance.

    Presti is only 43, and under his leadership, Oklahoma City has 10 winning seasons in 12 years, including a trip to the NBA Finals in 2012.

    When it comes to Presti’s potential interest in New York, previous reports have indicated that Presti could be allowed to leave if an opportunity presented itself.

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    This is interesting, b/c Knicks are hot and heavy after Dennis Schroder.

    OKC has Paul and SGA... makes sense they move the coveted DS. Would he send him to NYK (knowing in his heart he has a chance to come to NYC)? Gets tricky, but with human nature being what it is....

    Let’s just say, maybe he doesn’t demand that extra piece or pick being tossed in.
    It's about time. Dolan has been working in big corporate environments long enough to see when you need to do a reorg and get rid of guys that aren't getting the job done. In the latter category, Mills and Perry, Craig Robinson for the lack of development on the part of our young players. I think there's too much fat in that front office, Alan Houston would be a guy that I'd get rid of, been here too long without much success and advancement by him. Glad Dolan has seen the light when it comes to Presti, I also mentioned Chris Wallace, they demoted him before he could see the fruit of the Griz rebuild but teams seem to be going with these hot shot lawyer types, probably for their understanding of contracts as well as bball knowledge, Dolan should look there and leave no stone unturned to find our new front office.

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    Article in The Athletic on the a Knicks at the deadline. Everyone has the idea of trading MM and then reacquiring him this summer.

    How the Knicks can use this NBA trade deadline to set themselves up for the 2020 offseason



    By Mike Vorkunov 40m ago 5



    The countdown clock to the trade deadline is on and ticking. It’ll all be done with by 3 p.m. Feb. 6. The next few days present a critical time for the Knicks. This season, with a 14-36 record and 7.5 games out of a playoff spot, is effectively settled. The best way to make the most of it has been addressed before and still stands now. The final two months of this season are about next season and beyond.
    The Knicks can use these next few days to set themselves up for this summer, which can propel them for the seasons ahead after that. The summer of 2019 has proven to be a dud; can the summer of 2020 be better? The groundwork for that is laid during the season and the deadline is a natural flashpoint, when the Knicks can trade and acquire players and assets with the future in mind.
    Obviously, this is just one person’s opinion, but here’s what the organization can do to set itself up for the 2020 offseason:
    — Trade Marcus Morris for the best package the Knicks can get. The argument for keeping Morris has some sense to it. Keep Morris, who has been the Knicks’ best player this season, maintain the highest level of competitiveness for the last 30ish games of the season, which would make it a better learning environment for the young players, and then re-sign him in the offseason. The last part is almost unsaid because there’s no other reason to keep him if you don’t intend to re-sign him. The Knicks could get away with not trading Noah Vonleh last deadline and then letting him go, but that’s a different level of asset management with Morris. This would indicate that the Knicks view Morris as a piece of the long-term future and a pillar for what they’re trying to do with the team. OK, understood. But wouldn’t acquiring another piece like a promising young player, a first-round pick or multiple second-round picks also improve the long-term outlook? Morris will be a free agent this summer, so he will be out on the open market. The Knicks can double dip by trading Morris and then signing him in July — presumably, they would be willing to be at the top of the market for him because Morris’ actions last summer prove he’s not willing to take less than he’s worth in free agency.
    Would Morris turn down that offer because the Knicks traded him a few months before that? That’s a question about ego and pride and impossible to answer at this point. Instances like this proposed Morris outcome are admittedly rare. Intuitively, it doesn’t happen because if a team trades a player before he hits free agency it’s an admission they don’t want to sign him anyway. That could possibly not be the case with Morris, who has said repeatedly he wants to stay with New York. If a decision on whether to trade Morris now is also one on whether to move on with him long-term then the Knicks have to consider several factors.
    It’s not just what they could get back for him this month, it’s whether they want to make him a part of their roster for the next few years. This front office has been clear that it doesn’t want to muddle its cap sheet moving forward. Would they deviate from that for Morris, who will be 31 at the start of next season? Does he line up with the rest of the roster they have assembled so far? The only players definitively under contract for next season (without team options or non-guaranteed deals) for the Knicks are 22 or younger and 25-year-old Julius Randle. Does that mean the Knicks will try to spend on veterans again in free agency this upcoming summer like they did in 2019? The 2020 free agent class isn’t seen as a strong one and that would mean doing another mashup of youth and veterans. Keeping Morris through the deadline would have opportunity costs now and in the future.
    — Consider taking on a contract that will extend into next season. The Knicks are in position to have loads of cap space this summer, which is great until you try to figure out what they can do with it. The free agent class in July will be much different than the one last summer. Anthony Davis, the top free agent, is probably staying in Los Angeles. One would think the Pelicans offer Brandon Ingram, an restricted free agent, the max. Andre Drummond, DeMar DeRozan and Gordon Hayward could all opt out. The latter two will be 30 or older next season, and Drummond is a center who presents logistical issues for a franchise already endowed with Mitchell Robinson, let alone paying big money to a non-game changing center. The Knicks could splash the pot on Fred VanVleet and Montrezl Harrell if they want. But no one stands out as a must-get player worth opening up loads of space for.
    Cap space is only as valuable as the players a team can spend it on. Instead of saving up, would the Knicks be willing to take on players already under contract for next season? It could allow them to add some talent for next season, while taking on a problematic contract along with it if they need to because they have the flexibility. Detroit has made Luke Kennard available. Would Philadelphia move Zhaire Smith for immediate help to its title-hunting team? For the Knicks, it’s a way to add assets or helpful veterans in exchange for alleviating another franchise’s cap issues. It’s one of the benefits of all those expiring-type contracts they’ve amassed.
    — Try to trade for an upcoming restricted free agent. The restricted free agent class this summer should actually be pretty good. In 2019, teams showed they were willing to let go of their restricted free agents without the waiting period if they knew they weren’t going to match a contract. It allowed deals to get done quicker. Could the Knicks try to be opportunistic and find a team that already knows its salary ceiling on its RFA and strike before the player gets to free agency? Bogdan Bogdanovic is a talented player on a Sacramento team with a lot of money already committed to the frontcourt. Dillon Brooks has taken a nice step forward in Memphis, averaging 16.1 points per game and hitting 40 percent of his 3s. That’s the top end of the RFA class, along with Ingram. There’s also Malik Beasley, Juan Hernangůmez, Chris Boucher and Denzel Valentine, among others. If the Knicks could utilize their assets to add a player who they would have interest in this summer and be in position to re-sign him, wouldn’t that be better than just cap space?
    — Consider dangling their first-round pick. This one may seem somewhat absurd on its face. It probably brings flashbacks for Knicks fans of bad trades past for the franchise, but listen to the logic first. Drafting is an inherently risky proposition. Even the best teams aren’t guaranteed to nail it and have choppy years. For any one team to think it can definitely draft a player who will go on to be good is to misjudge the collective history of drafting. Now pair that with the 2020 draft, which is expected to be a weak one at the top. That’s a risk sandwich and it doesn’t sound too inviting (like ordering half-off sushi right before the restaurant closes and after it’s been sitting around all day — do so at your own peril). So when you take those two things into mind, it’s not that wild to start thinking whether the Knicks would be better off dealing their first-round pick for a more established player.
    Would the Warriors be willing to part with D’Angelo Russell, who has seemed like a tourist in Golden State since the moment he signed, for the Knicks’ first-round pick (which currently situated would have a 48.1 percent chance of landing in the top four and 42.4 percent of being either No. 6 or 7) and an exchange of contractual flotsam to make it work? Russell, 23, could be the point guard the Knicks are looking for and take out the uncertainty that comes with bringing in another 19-year-old. The Warriors could use their own first and the Knicks’ first to make a play to help optimize the window for a title-winning core. What about making a play for Lauri Markkanen, who is going through a hellish year in Chicago, but could take more to get than where the pick ultimately lands and would make a great pair with Mitchell Robinson? This might not be the right time to do such a thing anyway — not with the pick’s value still unknown since it could also land at No. 1, and the future of the front office uncertain, too — but it should be considered.
    — Play the kids to know what they’ve got. The best way to plan for the next season is to know what you already have. That’s what the Knicks need to use the rest of the season for: to find out what they have in their collection of under-22 players. What is Kevin Knox in his second NBA season? What is Frank Ntilikina in his third? If Dennis Smith Jr. is around after the deadline then can he recover from a very rough first 50 games? What is Ignas Brazdeikis at this point? All important questions worth answering in February, March and April.
    — Start figuring out the roster that can be constructed to best optimize RJ Barrett and Mitchell Robinson. One of the downsides of last offseason was that it didn’t play out in service of the team’s young building blocks. The scouting report on Barrett coming into the draft was that he would benefit from getting to the NBA and playing in an offense with more spacing and room for him. Instead, the Knicks started him alongside three non-shooters for most of the season so far. They signed a coterie of big men who impeded on Robinson’s playing opportunity. In 2020, the Knicks should prioritize building out around those two — while also still trying to make themselves a hospitable situation for Knox, Ntilikina, and Smith — by putting together a roster that suits them.




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    Bill Simmons ragging on Knicks for not signing D-RUSSELL (for signing 4 PFs) and now trying to trade for him.

    But, he was sent to GSW in a sign and trade, and got more money than Knicks couldíve offered. No?

    And, the names Iím hearing is Portis and Frank.

    Anyway... sounds like we may be getting a new PG soon.

    Also, rumor today is NY is hell-bent on keeping MM

    Stay tuned.

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    Preview of the trades our front office will be able to make happen:

    Trade for diddily to team up with the squat we already have.

    Trade sandwiches when Mills realizes his mom made him tuna and he really wants Perryís PB and J

    Trade holding dick from right to left hand

    That is all.

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    Just a Rumor...take it for what it’s worth ����



    According to early rumors we’re hearing it’s clear we’re trying to get a point guard. Problem is we have two doofuses running this operation

    As far as the could’ve had D-Lo this past offseason, DA MEDIA can’t have it both ways! Should be quite apparent what I’m getting at...Simmons needs to be laughed out of his existence, seriously can’t stand him
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    D-Russ was a RFA. Bill is clueless.

    GSW clearly using us to get KAT. If they want to salary dump, to avoid tax implications.... fine... Send them that reported package.

    But, no way we should send MRob and our 1st along with that.

    We could trade MRob, then sign Drummond. But they donít get Knox and Frank with MRob.

    Not in love with DRuss either. Get me Schroeder, if we consider the cost and draft Ball or Anthony.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Broadway View Post
    Just a Rumor...take it for what itís worth 👇🏾



    According to early rumors weíre hearing itís clear weíre trying to get a point guard. Problem is we have two doofuses running this operation

    As far as the couldíve had D-Lo this past offseason, DA MEDIA canít have it both ways! Should quite apparent what Iím getting at...Simmons needs to be laughed out if his existence, seriously canít stand him
    Objectively speaking, our offer is awful and their counter offer isnít crazy. Iíd try to get them to take one of Dallasí 1st rounders and talk them out of MRob.

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