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    Quote Originally Posted by mafra View Post
    Makes you wonder how highly GSW thinks of Knits or how down they are in Edwards-Wiseman-Ball....

    Bc... there’s a chance GSW does 2nd pick for Knits and the 8th...


    Prospects in the 4-8 range all the same tier type... so, if they don’t want a top 3 and like Knits.... it’s possible they swing the pick our way.

    Knicks would be foolish to sacrifice much and gamble on Ball. For Knits or Knox... maybe, but that’s the extent of it

    That last throw in pick for Melo turned out to be Jamal Murray! Be careful.
    GSW would actually do the trade for Frank and the 8th pick ....
    The GSW adding Frank & Wiggins in the rotation to backup Curry & Klay, it would be like having a young Livingston & Iggy in their 2020 season rotation.

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    Amen! I like the block of available players at 8. Itís a real test for the new regime, bc if these cats are as good as the article we read praise them to be... they should be able to identify, draft, and develop a real talent at 8.

    And, if they are as savvy as we need them to be... they flip the next 2 picks and either Knits or DSJ or Randle or whoever else they donít see as a fit here... they flip that for another major asset (lottery pick or established player).

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    That what RJ is now a role player drafted at #3. Can win any positions being starting or bench. F.O. had to give him a spot to justify there mistake in drafting him.

    At this point and time Wiseman is worth more than RJ and that is base on his potential. You and other talk about RJ potential....Will you see the results and as you say "even if only a role player". Who knows what Wiseman will be... Correct. But we know what RJ is and it none of the things F.O. and people like yourself proclaim.

    I never said a thing about Ball. And if you think RJ will have a better career than Edwards... it that kind of thinking is the reason RJ is on this team to begin with. There is nothing electric about RJ but Edwards on the other hand explores going to the basket. Had a little B. King in him.

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    RJ not explosive... Heís a bull, and like what you see with Harden, Melo, LJ, Kawhi.... Iíll take a STRONG man, who moves a body with his will, and be cool. Speed, hoops, and athleticism are key skills in NBA, but so is strength.

    RJ has no spacing, so he was limited. Get him a PG and a shooter and RJ is a winning player.

    Wiseman?

    Please...

    He last played 2 years ago, against HS kids. Potential? Why... Can he shoot?

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    NBA draft is going to be in mid November.

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    Frankie looks jacked! 22 now, about to enter his prime. Gonna be interesting to see if Thibbs sees something here or if they trade him.

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    Marcus Smart over his first two NBA seasons:
    FG percentage: 35.7%
    3-point percentage: 29.6%
    FT percentage: 72.0%
    Assists per game: 3.1

    Frank Ntilikina over his first two NBA seasons:
    FG percentage: 35.4%
    3-point percentage: 30.5%
    FT percentage: 73.5%
    Assists per game: 3.1

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    Over his first four NBA seasons, Marcus Smart shot 29% from downtown and 75% from the FT line.

    Over the past two season, heís shot 36% from downtown and 82% from the FT line

    óó
    Smart is 26 now, and is a rotation piece on a Conf Finals type team...

    Are we willing to roll up our sleeves, dedicate another 2 seasons developing Frankie, under real coaching, buoyed by reason and stability? I bet by 26, Frank is a solid player. The kid works, he cares, now he just needs to stay healthy and get consistent minutes, in a set role.
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    Looks like the Israeli kid has raised his stock, with his play this summer. Add the Donic effect, and now heís expected to go top 5.

    ď I had Deni Avdija at No. 9 in the spring, but there's no chance he's slipping that far this fall. Up to No. 5 he goes, as Avdija's performance over the summer with Maccabi Tel Aviv helped his stock more than any other prospect in this draft. If you watched his tape at all, you often saw a player who clearly looked like the best guy on the floor every minute he was on the floor, which is not something you can say about all other top-10 prospects. Avdija's an interesting prospect because he's capable of playing anything from point guard to power forward, though he'll clearly best fit in as a 3/4 hybrid. Avdija has wonderful playmaking capability and would be a great No. 3 option in a best-case scenario. His shooting leaves some concerns, but physically he's ready for the NBA now.Ē

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    Iím on record, with the player I want:

    If there's one player who's a top-10 lock but not a top-five lock who can be an 11th-hour riser into that top five, I think it's Isaac Okoro. General managers will surely be taken with his IQ. Okoro's a wonderful defensive player, someone who Bruce Pearl lovingly referred to as the only senior he's ever had as a freshman. He makes for an ideal NBA wing, thanks to his measurements, athleticism, defensive acumen and vast potential given his age. He's no 3-and-D guy yet; Okoro made 28.6% of his triples last season. He's not a super-familiar name, given he missed a few games to injury and was not a superstar freshman, but he's been on general managers' radar since early December and is under no threat of dropping to the bottom of the lottery. His ceiling is probably No. 4 in this draft, but we'll slide him in at No. 8 and split the difference.

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    Give Thibbs Frankie, this kid, and MItch... let him develop Knox and RJ to complies each other offensively... and weíll be in a sweet position come 2022 Summer...

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    Narrative really turning against Cole Anthony. Reports today saying Knicks wonít take him even if they trade down in the 1st round.

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    Quote Originally Posted by htr10 View Post
    Narrative really turning against Cole Anthony. Reports today saying Knicks wonít take him even if they trade down in the 1st round.
    Canít blame them, based on what he put on tape... NYK canít afford another project, or roll the dice on another first rounder. They need a solid double and single at 8/27, to ensure the rebuild stays on track....

    Vassell or Okoro and then top PG at 27 works for me, or vice verse... we need everything, so BPA is smart.

    I will be livid if we flip Randle, Knox and a first for CP3, PG13, or VO.... No way!!!!


    Now, if they pry away an Embiid or KAT somehow, or another legit Star, then we can talk about a CP or VO deal...

    Otherwise, sign Woods and FVF and a shooter (Nets sniper works for me), add those 3 to this roster and the rebuild is well on its way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by htr10 View Post
    Narrative really turning against Cole Anthony. Reports today saying Knicks won’t take him even if they trade down in the 1st round.
    Doesn’t surprise me. This is what I said about him earlier in the thread along with some other meh posts I made about him.

    LaMelo goes to MN. Lavar is going to go full out for the Knicks to trade up for him. Wiseman to the Warriors. I'm hoping Hayes, Halliburton are there at eight, I'd pick Vassell before Cole Anthony even if we need a PG.

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    According to two league sources, the Knicks are seriously mulling trading back in the Nov. 18 draft unless big man James Wiseman or point guard LaMelo Ball fall back to the eighth spot.

    With MRob skipping practices.. makes you wonder if they trade up for Wiseman and Ball....

    Use MRob in 1 trade and something else in another. Would be unprecedented but somebody here already banged the table for this move...

    Iím on board, as long as we make sensible trades.

    For example, expand deal with 3 teams (say GSW and ORL), shipping out DSJ and either Knox or Knits.... plus pick(s) to jump up for Ball...

    Swap MRob and future pick to move up for Wiseman.

    Ball, RJ, Wiseman the core?
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    I'd like to know what the personal reasons were that MRob missed the OTA. Still hard to trade the guy, the guy has potential, maybe the most upside of any guy on the roster. I guess if you can snag Wiseman and Ball though, it might be worth the risk of losing a potential all NBA defender.

    Watching that Heat squad in the playoffs, we need to draft and pickup guys in FA that can shoot the ball. Vassel has that eye popping 41.5% 3 pt pct plus he can defend, not sure he'll repeat that in the pros because he wasn't a prolific 3 pt shooter taking 3.5 a game and it was one season but if he's there when we're up, I'd take him.

    Actually he also shot 41.9% from distance his freshman year as well on fewer shots but that pct. gives you some proof he may be an elite shooter at the next level.
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    Doesnít make sense to me to trade MRob. Heís on an extremely team friendly team for 2 more seasons. If he plays to his ceiling this season, then maybe sign him to a large extension past next season.

    I donít like Ball. Wiseman has massive upside, but rather have MRob and #8 pick than Wiseman.

    Iím starting to worry we might do something crazy like we did at the 2002 NBA draft.

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    TBH, at this point... Rose and Thibbs should have the right to make this roster in their image, based on the type of b-ball they want to run, and the new regime should have the leeway to make any and all roster moves necessary to fulfill that vision, if they believe its the best way to make this team a championship title contender...

    We assets (young players, ďvetsĒ, and picks).... The aim is to assemble a cast of characters on that bench 10-12 deep, focusing mainly on the top 8 guys on the roster...

    All fall in line!

    So, we ainít winning next season or the season after that... we hope to be even a second round type playoff team come 2023-2024 season... and thatís with this current group.

    They are so young, so inexperienced and mismanaged, that itíll require 2 years of development to get them into winning players, if that even exists in them.

    In other words, whatever works baby. Iím game for a king rebuild or a quick turn in directions, just as long as moves/decisions are made responsibly.

    Iím not selling farm for an injured VO and old CP3... but, if they donít like something in MRob or RJís game, or Knits/Knox... Fine! Rip it off and move on... letís not waste time, stuck in idle, repeating same mistakes.

    Maybe the time to act is now, if they can assemble the right mix of players and get lucky in draft... turn around that way.

    No guarantee MRob-RJ future is a kick either.

    So, again... Iím on board for ingenuity and creativity and even a little risk-taking... but it has to make sense.

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