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    Myles Powell and Bryce Brown were also given walking papers...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mafra View Post
    Myles Powell and Bryce Brown were also given walking papers...
    Damn I thought Powell was gonna stick around. Life's a bitch

    Best of luck to them

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    NY Post

    During his unemployment after his Minnesota stint, Knicks coach Tom Thibodeau visited MIT’s famous Sloan Analytics Conference, led by former Rockets/current Sixers GM Daryl Morey.

    Thibodeau, who worked under Morey in Houston, has embraced the world of analytics despite his old-school reputation. A fastidious preparer, the 62-year-old coach regards the analytic of net efficiency as his most important barometer — combining the critical offensive stat with the critical defensive stat into one number.

    The theorem combines a team’s points per 100 possessions, minus the opponent’s points per possession. In their 3-1 preseason, the Knicks finished fifth in net efficiency.

    “Analytics has given us a lot of information,’’ Thibodeau said. “We’re always looking at the numbers and refer to our eyes, observation and what the coaches are talking about and the numbers will either confirm those things that you’re thinking or give you pause to rethink things.

    “When you think about it, the net efficiency is probably the biggest thing because you want to be strong on both sides of the ball,’’ Thibodeau added. “So you’re striving to be a top-10 team in points per possession offensively and points per possession defensively.’’


    Knicks president Leon Rose bolstered the analytics department with hires of Sean MacLean, a Wharton product who was a treasury analyst for Capital One Bank, and Kelsey Roberts, who worked with the Pacers.

    Other analytic formulas Thibodeau is attuned to is rebounding percentages, turnover efficiency and sabermetrics on the type of shots at which the team excels.

    Analyzing preseason numbers — four games against two bottom-dwelling teams — is not always the best indicator. The Pistons and Cavaliers are expected to be watching the lottery pingpong balls bounce this spring. The Cavaliers didn’t play their top players, including Kevin Love.

    “That’s exactly what it is — preseason,’’ Thibodeau said. “Teams are experimenting with a lot of different things and not playing their whole roster like a regular-season game. So it’s a whole different level you have to go to in the regular season. We have to understand that. What we’re locked into is our daily improvement and be ready for Indiana when it opens up.

    “You’re 0-0 now,’’ Thibodeau added.

    The first group practice wasn’t until Dec. 6.

    “It’s been basically two weeks,’’ Thibodeau said. “It comes up fast. It’s how quickly can we all adapt. Defensively we made some good strides, but we’ll be tested in a lot of different ways as you move forward. Indiana is a very tough team, particularly at home. We’ll have to be ready to play for 48 minutes.’’

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost....analytics/amp/

    Is this why Thibs has shifted RJ to more of a SF role...?

    I feel like our roster is finally in good hands, with this new regime. We shall see...

    I still think Obi was a bad fit with Randle, Knox, and RJ.... but, I understand BPA... and they did snag IQ, who has shocked us all.

    If MRob and Knox emerge as consistent contributors in their third year, and RJ takes that step forward.. and if IQ is a meteor... this could be a surprising campaign.

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    I like that article about coacb Thibs. Im not a huge analytics fan mainly because some rely on it exclusively but thats obviously not the case with Thibs

    Thibs is a workaholic. He comes from New Britain Connecticut, a city i live only 15 minutes away from. A source told me that he turned down marriage to be a head coach with the Bulls. He is married to his work and focuses on the smallest of details

    Hes also not narrow minded. Hes capable of changing his ways as we saw Popovich do with the Spurs when they were getting older and the league was changing

    These past few years I've been saying some of our players would be more developed on other teams. Its great to know that we have a great and knowledgeable teacher coaching the team now who will strive to get the most out of everyone

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    “I don’t think I’m missing out on anything,” Toppin said of the pandemic. “I’m in a position where people pray to be in and I prayed to be in. I wouldn’t change this for the world. When I say basketball is really all I do every single day, I come to the gym, come home. By the time I come home, I don’t want to do anything. I just want to eat and go to sleep. I’m in the gym multiple hours working on my game to be great.”

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    This year is the only time in the last (I don't remember how long) where we SEE a real change in the offence and defense of the team, you can feel it in most of the positions.... with the old coaches you used to hear their nice statements only, but nothing got translated on the court..... it feels different this time with Thibs

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    I am interested to see how the team responds to tonight’s test in CLE. Cavs are 3-0, we are playing 3rd game in 4 days, wrapped around Hollidays.

    Drummond and Love... Sexton and Garland....

    Typical Knicks would waltz into CLE riding hi bc of the big win against Bucs, and then get blown out by 39..

    Let’s see what a Thibbs team does tonight.

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    "I also think he has a pretty good understanding of his teammates and what their strengths are," Thibodeau said. "And he's playing unselfishly and that's probably the biggest thing. He's shooting the ball a lot better also. That's opened up other things for us."

    We detailed some of Randle's early-season shooting and passing numbers here. Those numbers probably aren't possible if Randle hadn't committed to training so vigorously in the offseason.

    "I dropped a little bit of weight, but the biggest thing was just pushing myself just to run every day and just challenging myself in that way," Randle said. "I had great trainers back home. Continuous talk to Thibs, everybody, we were on the same page going into camp. I just wanted to lead by example in that way coming in in great shape."

    Randle said that the Knicks' new leadership under team president Leon Rose challenged him to enter 2020-21 a better player after his subpar first season in New York.

    "Obviously, I'm going to put that pressure on myself as well to challenge myself and get better every year," Randle said. "Last year was a great learning experience for me. But this year I'm coming back a better player and come back in great shape. And that's just part of the culture we're building -- guys that are going to come out and fight and compete every day, top to bottom. Not just the coaches -- front offices, everybody. We're competing and not backing down from anybody. That's just the culture we try to create and compete every night."

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    “I think Thibs, from the start of training camp, just did a great job of just implementing his system of how we want to play,’’ Randle said. “We don’t have to second-guess where we’re going to be on the floor. We have great spacing and if the defense is collapsing, I can depend on whoever it is to cut or to be in the right spacing and just make the easy play. We’re all just trying to make the easy play, the right play, and play for each other unselfishly.’’

    Randle is averaging 24.8 points, 10.5 rebounds and 7.5 assists while his 3-point marksmanship has been much improved (69.2 percent).

    The Post has reported Thibodeau watched a ton of film of last season’s club and noticed most of the players didn’t have a strong feel for when to shoot and when to pass.

    “He’s really been teaching, from Day 1, getting to the basket, making the right reads and kicking out,’’ Kevin Knox said. “You got a layup or dunk, you finish but if the defense collapses, make the right read and share the game. That’s why a lot of guys are getting open shots.’’

    Astoundingly, through four games, the Knicks lead the NBA in 3-point shooting (45.9 percent) and 3-point defense. They have held opponents to 24.4 percent, including two excellent deep-shooting teams in the Bucks and Cavs.

    The Knicks move the ball and chase down shooters on defense.

    “Coach demands for every player to go out and play the right way,’’ Bullock said. “I think he let that be known from Day 1 in camp that we’re not going to force shots. We’re going to share the ball, As long as you’re playing hard on offense, on defense, moving the ball, every player on this team is going to get a chance.”

    It just might be a Happy New Year for Thibodeau’s Knicks.

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    After 1/12th of this season...

    The Knicks have come to a 3-3 record while facing the 4-2 Pacers twice, the 5-1 Sixers, the 3-3 Bucks, and the 4-2 Cavs.

    72 divided by 6 equals 12

    The Knicks had just completed an impressive victory over the Indiana Pacers, an opponent most project as a top-4 in the Eastern Conference. Tom Thibodeau was doing his post-game Zoom session with the media and he finished with a mic-drop about Mitchell Robinson.

    “You guys haven’t seen it yet,” Thibodeau said, “but it’s coming.”

    Under Thibodeau, Robinson’s play is still sporadic but the improvement and discipline is also evident. It’s only six games, but he’s averaging more minutes (27.8) and fewer fouls (3.2). He has yet to commit more than four fouls in any game, whereas last season Robinson was called for at least five fouls in about ¼ of his appearances.

    “Let’s talk about Mitch,” the coach said. “He’s just, every day he’s growing and growing and growing. The way he’s working, studying, preparing for the games. you could see his confidence grow. He’s making multiple effort plays. He’s a hard guy to score over. And he’s really the anchor of the defense back there. And offensively there’s a lot of room for him to grow. He’s putting a lot of time in.”

    Bondy at NYDN

    Randle, RJ, Mitch, Burke and Rivers, IQ... let’s go!
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    4-3 is the best start after 7 games since 2012, when team was 6-1.

    Randle is averaging more points than Booker a game, more rebounds than AD, and more assists than Doncic.

    His name is Julius.

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    Randle and Barrett are No 1 and No. 2 in minutes per game. This is not good. Especially considering that Barrett is still growing and Randle has a history of severe injuries.
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    As Isola said, “The minutes-police crowd need to calm down.”

    It’s basketball, not a blood sport. It wasn’t a back-2-back... RJ is 20 and had 9 months off. People wanted Randle traded but now are worried he may burn out 10 games into the season?

    Randle is our best player. If we want to win, he needs to play. Thibbs trying to establish a culture. Burn them all out, if you must, and get above .500

    Knicks suck for 2 decades. We have our best start in 8 years, and some are focused on minutes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mafra View Post
    As Isola said, “The minutes-police crowd need to calm down.”

    It’s basketball, not a blood sport. It wasn’t a back-2-back... RJ is 20 and had 9 months off. People wanted Randle traded but now are worried he may burn out 10 games into the season?

    Randle is our best player. If we want to win, he needs to play. Thibbs trying to establish a culture. Burn them all out, if you must, and get above .500

    Knicks suck for 2 decades. We have our best start in 8 years, and some are focused on minutes?
    And then what? We miss out on a great draft just to see a pile of rubble after a couple of mid-tier players barely took us to the playoffs. My point is presicely that Barrett is 20 and those 9 months does not take away from the stress baskeball is putting on your joints. The schedule is incredibly tight and all over the globe you see injuries piling up in pro sports.
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    And, scientifically, we have mountains of evidence that playing 41 minutes is detrimental to his development, as opposed to 34 minutes?

    Point is, it’s early and we have injuries.... It’s not like this is year 3 of RJ playing 40 minutes a game. Just enjoy the wins...

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