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    Quote Originally Posted by mafra View Post
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    Hearing that the contract structure of Jalen Brunson’s $104 million deal with the Knicks descends annually… starting at just north of $28 million next season in Year One and and ending at just south of $24 in Year Four (2025-26).

    This tells me Rose is playing the long game… word around campfire is that the salary cap will go up big time by 2024… who knows… but Brunson at 24 mil for n year 4 could be a steal.
    I like Brunson .. But his talent is not max $$$ .. having Dinwiddie, Brunson, Quickley, and D.Rose leadership in leading the rotation throughout the 2021-22 season .. would mean Knicks playoffs!

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    Didn’t Lakers give Mozgov 4/64 mil in 2016?

    Again, if Knox is a 3 mil per year player…. Brunson isn’t worth 24 mil come 2025? He’s about 8 times the player Kevin Knox is, no?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiyaman View Post
    Naw .. 2nd season Simms will be MitchRob's backup off the bench, if Thibs has plans on winning games having 48 min of inside defense in the paint.
    The Clippers let Hartenstein walk because he wasn't a good backup for Zubac.
    And Clippers trading for Covington above the rim hops on the Feb. Deadline also gave Hartenstein his walking papers.
    Who is the JOKER? Us Fans or Leon Rose ???
    Oh Yeah! We cant forget Thibs .....
    Hopefully, McBride & Simms get to average 18 min playing time, especially if they Turn-Out the Knicks summer league Games ....
    And Quickley & Obi better receive 24 or more minute of playing time next season !!!
    You are talking logically about a team make-up and structure that is every bit illogical.
    Know that what you just suggested isn’t going to happen. Thib’s will see to that.
    You talking about dividing 48 minutes equally that ain’t not happened.
    Question- is the offense scheme going to change? Knowing you want the ball out of Randle hand.
    Is this team able or willing to change? Creatures of habit!! Playing with ball, taking the majority of the shots, not passing the ball.

    Look let me tell you one thing that hasn’t changed…. The Knicks still have Cancer…. Like are not the Player Only Meeting problems is still there. All of those that spoke up and agreed are gone but one.

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    Started to start a new Thread but said no.

    Questions: Please no crazy answers or dumb stuff, ok. Use Real BB knowledge.
    1. How much better are we with Brunson??

    2. What is the Chemistry on this team?

    3. Projected 3 left handed starter … good or bad? Nobody in this forum ever saw this from the beginning with Randle and RJ. I never mentioned it just to see if someone would notice.
    BTW… it means something!!
    4. Last Question… Should there have a very strong effort to trade for KD and Murray?

    A Transformative Player coming on the market and you do nothing. Being able to adjust on the fly is the mark of a Good Coach, team and you would think F.O.

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    Knicks reportedly signing MRob to a 4 year 60 million dollar deal.

    Starting centers, much like starting PGs, don’t come cheap. We spent our money on the 2 highest value positions in the NBA.

    Since we could go over the cap to sign MRob, this presumably means we’re done in free agency.

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    Well, if Randle and D-Rose return to their top 10 MVP form from 2020-2021, then this could be a 50 win team and battling in second round….

    Baby steps…

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    We live in a world where every star free agent wants to play in LA or Miami and even if you tank to the worst record, you only get a 14% chance at the #1 pick.

    We’ve put together a team that has a good shot at being 0.500 and making it into and through the play-in. I mean, that’s about all we can do at this point unless we get super lucky.

    NBA kinda sucks…

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    Trading away your best overall/well-rounded player in Burks. No replacement for him. Where is the steadiness from what he gave is going to come from?

    Looks like there only one question answered. I’ll wait to see if anyone else chime in.
    So far no improvement.

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    You know your franchise is screwed when losing a role player like Alec Burks is a major loss to your franchise

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    Celtics trade for Malcolm Brogdon using a deal built around a 1st round pick. Brogdon is good when he plays but has missed a lot of games the last couple years.

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    Rudy Gobert traded to TWolves.

    My guess is that this means they are not trading Donovan Mitchell.

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    Or… Danny Ainge is breaking it all down… D-Wade will send Mitchell to his buddy Riley in MIA for Hero and a haul of picks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Raider View Post
    Trading away your best overall/well-rounded player in Burks. No replacement for him. Where is the steadiness from what he gave is going to come from?

    Looks like there only one question answered. I’ll wait to see if anyone else chime in.
    So far no improvement.
    It's true Burks performance the past two season as a Knicks were better, plus having an above B.ball IQ than Knicks players RJ Barrett, Fournier, and Knox (Cam).
    Yes. Burks were more valuable on court than the above players mention.
    However, Burks Knicks performance were never as good as the non-scoring Bullocks.

    Coach Thibs had NO defense or team-offense in last season 82 games.
    Having a healthy D.Rose, Quickley, McBride, and a new PG Brunson (who defense is same as Kemba) may keep the Knicks in the .500 zone next season, only if Thibs, Randle, and Barrett let the 4 guards mention above control the offense.

    The Knicks top defensive players on the roster are PG-McBride, SG-Grimes, SG-Keels, SF-Cam, and Centers MitchRob, Simms, and Hart.
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    The Athletic take on Knick free agency. Can't argue that we have been looking for a starting PG for forever and we may have found him. One of the best PG scoring around the basket and he's been a winner.

    I mentioned the Knicks trading Fournier and it appears they tried but I guess found no takers, they still have to clear salary so I think some kind of trade will happen so Reddish/Fournier may still go.

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    The New York Knicks have thirsted for a point guard for 30 years, but they couldn’t wait the extra hour. New York agreed with former Dallas Mavericks point guard Jalen Brunson to a four-year deal, The Athletic’s Shams Charania reported one hour before NBA free agency officially began Thursday evening.

    The Knicks trekked through 2021-22 with a hobbled 30-something and a converted wing player pairing up to run the point. The trend of patchwork Knicks point guard play was nothing new. No organization has been on the perpetual hunt for a floor general quite like the Knicks, whose search spans back to the departure of Mark Jackson 30 years ago.

    If all goes as planned, the desperation has dissipated — and it should last for longer than that remarkable half-season from Raymond Felton in 2010-11.

    Brunson was the target from the very beginning, whether you define “beginning” as the start of the summer, the middle of this past season or when Knicks president Leon Rose first met Brunson when the now 25-year-old was a small child. And the Knicks didn’t care who knew their priorities.

    They didn’t care who knew it when they hired Brunson’s father, Rick, as an assistant coach a month ago. Rick is a longtime Tom Thibodeau loyalist and a former client of Rose from when Rose was a player agent. He worked under Thibodeau in Chicago and Minnesota, and there was an element to the hire of a coach bringing in a trusted former sidekick. But make no mistake about it: There can be more than one reason to give someone a job, and hiring the father of a premier free agent was part of it. (Rick Brunson resigned from his last NBA coaching job with the Timberwolves in 2018 amid allegations of improper conduct toward women).

    They didn’t care who knew it when they signaled their Brunson-marked confidence on draft night, dumping Kemba Walker’s contract along with the projected salary for the No. 11 pick to clear more cap room. The Knicks aggressively shopped their veterans on expiring contracts leading up to free agency. The timing of the deals, though, said it all.

    They didn’t care who knew it when they dropped Alec Burks and Nerlens Noel on the Pistons 48 hours before free agency even began. They didn’t care who knew it when rumors of Brunson agreeing to a four-year deal started to get out to the public on June 28. The Mavericks knew Brunson coming to New York was inevitable. He canceled a meeting with Dallas just before the start of free agency.

    The Knicks may not care if the league dings them with tampering penalties, which, recent history suggests, means losing a second-round pick. They made sure this was never-ending any other way.

    The Knicks finally have a point guard — a real, living, breathing, prime-aged, two-eyed, well-respected point guard who rose to become one of the top bench performers in the league two years ago, slotted in as a starter this past season and took off during the Mavs’ impressive run to the Western Conference finals in the spring.

    They needed a grand organizer. The Knicks were dead last in assists last season. They were the slowest squad in the league getting into their offense. Too often, Burks, Walker or Julius Randle would lumber down the floor, cross the half-court line with 17 seconds remaining on the shot clock, run a pick-and-roll five seconds later, then be forced to rush off a jumper as the buzzer sounded. The shot selection was unsettling. The Knicks ranked 25th in points per possession.

    Brunson benefited from his situation in Dallas. There’s a reason superstars are superstars; they make the players around them better. Brunson looked good, in part, because he was alongside MVP candidate Luka Don?i?. Most of Brunson’s lineups featured at least three shooters around him. At times, all five Mavericks on the floor could drain long balls.

    But Brunson also knows how to produce. He can slice defenses on catch-and-gos when the ball swings to him on the opposite side, which looks especially good when Don?i? is the one getting it to him. He’s a master at navigating to the middle, then twisting into these rinky-dink moves down low. His pacing is quirky; like a miniature, left-handed, caffeinated Kyle Anderson. Brunson made 55 percent of his 2-pointers this season and 58 percent the season before. He’s one of the league’s most efficient guards inside the arc.

    When Brunson was a kid, he played power forward. It shows. He has the footwork of a skilled big man, but in a 6-foot-1 frame.

    More than any other team in the league, the Knicks could use someone who can make a layup. Both R.J. Barrett and Randle struggled to finish in the paint last season due to cramped spacing that won’t be much different if the Knicks re-sign free agent center Mitchell Robinson. Brunson, though, is top-notch. No point guard who took as many total shots in the restricted area last season shot a better percentage there.

    He averaged 16.3 points, 3.9 rebounds and 4.8 assists on 50-37-84 shooting in 2021-22.

    Brunson is not the only player the Knicks added Thursday. They also agreed with former Clippers big man Isaiah Hartenstein (The Athletic’s Kelly Iko was first to report). The deal is for $16.7 million over two years. Hartenstein’s arrival doesn’t necessarily mean the end for Robinson, who is currently a free agent.

    It’s worth noting that the Knicks just used draft picks to dump Noel, a backup center, who is due to make $9.2 million a year, only to sign another who will earn a similar salary in Hartenstein. That said, Hartenstein and Noel are stylistic antonyms, especially on offense.

    Hartenstein didn’t play much when he first entered the league in Houston, but he showed a little something during 16 games to close out the 2020-21 season with the Cavaliers. Cleveland used him as a passer in the high post, where he’d find cutters and shooters. It worked. He has clever vision. He signed a non-guaranteed deal with the Clippers last summer, then made the team coming out of training camp and forced his way into the rotation as a backup big man.

    The Knicks have not employed a center with his passing savvy during Thibodeau’s tenure. And there is one stat about Hartenstein that must have Thibodeau salivating: Opponents shot only 47.5 percent on layups and dunks when Hartenstein was the closest defender to them last season, second-best in the NBA, according to data-tracking site Second Spectrum. He’ll fit into the shot-altering Thibodeau ethos.

    He slots into the Knicks’ type in other ways too. Hartenstein switched his representation near the end of this season to CAA, the same agency that reps Brunson.

    When Rose took over the Knicks a couple of years ago, the thought was he’d be able to leverage his connections for the players he wanted. He leveraged countless ones just for Brunson alone. The Knicks hired his father. They knew his agency well; it’s the one Rose used to run. One of Brunson’s representatives there is Sam Rose, Leon’s son.

    Now, we wait to see whatever else the Knicks have going on. They still have to deal with Robinson’s free agency. They could use more shooting. There will be questions about Brunson’s fit alongside the big-time players already in New York. Randle and Barrett are both best inside the 3-point arc, and the Knicks have historically played with a rim-diving center. Robinson is, of course, as paint-dwelling as paint dwellers come. Brunson loves to slither through the lane — as long as there’s enough daylight to do it.

    Brunson can drain jumpers, but spacing isn’t necessarily synonymous with shooting. It’s a commentary on geography too. When your best guys are at the best versions of themselves when they occupy the same places on the court, crowds congregate.

    Whoever the Knicks start at the two will have to bomb up 3s, as Evan Fournier did in 2021-22. Based on the way Thibodeau tends to operate, and assuming the roster makeup is relatively similar entering training camp, Quentin Grimes could be a dark horse to start next to Brunson in the backcourt. Brunson is stout and he defends, but the group could use Grimes’ size and defensive chops so teams don’t pick on an undersized point guard and Fournier or even Immanuel Quickley. Grimes could toss up catch-and-shoot deep balls as Fournier did.

    We still don’t know the cap mechanics of how the Knicks will pull off these two agreements. They entered free agency with $31 million in cap room, which isn’t enough to fit the lowest possible first-year salary for Brunson plus the lowest possible one for Hartenstein. If they want to squeeze both of those players into cap space, they’d have to waive Taj Gibson, whose 2022-23 salary is non-guaranteed. In that case, they’d be left with the room exception, worth $5.4 million, to sign another player, and they could fill out the roster with Robinson, minimum salaries or, of course, other trades.

    They have another option too. Since neither of the salary-offloading deals with the Pistons are official yet, they could expand them to turn the Brunson acquisition into a giant, three-way sign-and-trade, then operate as an above-the-cap team and use the $10.5 million mid-level exception to fit in Hartenstein’s salary. (If the team wanted to sign two-way center Jericho Sims to a long-term contract, it could use the remainder of the midlevel in this case to do it.) It would behoove Dallas to force a sign-and-trade instead of losing Brunson for nothing.

    What’s next?
    High on the Knicks’ list of offseason priorities is talking to Barrett about an extension. As of now, Barrett is set to become a restricted free agent next summer.

    The Athletic recently polled 16 front-office officials on what a fair contract could be if New York agreed to extend the 22-year-old. Half the respondents said $100 million over four years. Now, circumstances have changed. If you’re Barrett, and the Knicks have spent the past three years building you up as the face and future of the franchise, you would probably use Brunson’s reported deal as a negotiating chip.

    Barrett has a little more leverage for a payday now. But the deadline to extend him isn’t until the fall. The Knicks still have more to handle before then.

    They need to determine Robinson’s future. They may have another addition or two on the margins. They shopped Fournier and Cam Reddish leading into free agency, sources told The Athletic. What amounts from that? They may feel the need to open up roles for some of the young players who balled out at the end of last season, like Quickley or Obi Toppin.

    But for now, at least they have their guy, and no one ever should have doubted they were going to get him.

    (Photo of Brunson: David Richard / USA Today)

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    Good article.

    The part about how Hartenstein changed his representation to CAA late last season cracked me up.

    Man, this league really is rigged. Follow the agent representation and you can maybe predict every team’s moves long before they happen.

    Leon Rose may not be a great president but Dolan was smart to get in bed with the agents who run the league now.

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