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    Quote Originally Posted by htr10 View Post
    Good article.

    The part about how Hartenstein changed his representation to CAA late last season cracked me up.

    Man, this league really is rigged. Follow the agent representation and you can maybe predict every team’s moves long before they happen.

    Leon Rose may not be a great president but Dolan was smart to get in bed with the agents who run the league now.
    Lol, Sam Rose Leon's kid and Rick Brunson Jalens dad all involved. I think they call that nepotism, I'm sure Rick called his boy before FA officially opened and it might cost the Knicks a 2nd round pick for tampering but I guess whatever it takes to get your guy.

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    It’ll be very hard to prove tampering, and the close relationships will be what acquits them.

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    Those who know know and those who don’t don’t…

    PG Derek Harper, who calls Mavs games, loves Brunson…. Why not? Dude was better than Donovan Mitchell last season.

    “People are going to be shocked at what Jalen Brunson brings to the floor every night,” Harper, arguably the Knicks’ last difference-maker at point guard, told The Post in a phone interview Friday, the day after Brunson agreed to a four-year, $104 million deal. “This guy is just special. … I think he’s underrated. Not until this year has he gotten the credit he deserves.

    “He was a joy to watch, because the bigger the moment, the bigger he stood up, and I don’t think you can say that about everybody. A lot of guys shy away from big moments and adverse situations. That’s going to surprise some people.”

    “Built for it, born for it,” said Harper, who played parts of three seasons with the Knicks, from 1994-96, and averaged 11.7 points, 4.8 assists and 1.3 steals, helping them to a pair of 50-win seasons and five playoff series victories. “There are some guys that are cerebral enough that you can put them in a cage anywhere and they’re going to fight their way out, and that’s Jalen. Jalen is not in awe of any player in this league. In fact, he wants to prove himself against the best.”

    “I just see a leader in Jalen, that’s the reason why I root for him so hard,” Harper said.

    What idiot said team didn’t improve?

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    The Knicks’ new point guard offered a simple message to the team’s fans on Saturday.

    “Ready to start a new chapter New York! Let’s go!” Jalen Brunson tweeted, accompanied by a Statue of Liberty emoji and a small blue and a small orange diamond. Brunson agreed to a four-year, $104 million on Thursday night to leave the Mavericks for the Knicks.

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    “[Brunson] brings a level of competitive spirit, intelligence and seriousness that any team in this league absolutely needs,” Van Gundy, the former Knicks coach and ESPN analyst, told The Post. “There’s not a lot of really good, serious competitors that are available, and I think the Knicks should be very, very happy and proud that they got one of them.”

    “He’ll figure out what he needs to do to give his team the best chance of winning, and whatever that may be. If it means scoring more, great. If it means handling more, great, creating more shots or playing off guys who do create. I love his versatility.”

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    A think some people online balked at the Brunson signing because one, they don’t watch much basketball and had no idea what this kid did late last year and in the playoffs, and two, have lost reference for the size of NBA contracts.

    Zion just got a 5 year 193 million extension and he’s missed 50% of the games his first 2 seasons.

    Jokic just signed an extension where he’s going to make 60 million in the final year alone.

    4 years 106 million to poach another team’s guy and make him your starting PG is pretty reasonable.

    Now, the question becomes fit and system. Having Brunson won’t help us much if Randle and RJ are ball stoppers on offense.

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    Watching BB and knowing it could be very different depending on the person. Does Brunson deserve that big of a contract.
    I say No!! If I’m going to gamble it would have been on pairing Ivey and Murray. Not a player who wasn’t his former team starter.
    Correct about fit and system plus the dynamics of RJ and Randle.
    There is no competition at the PG like it was in Dallas. So again you are giving someone you overpaid for a starting position. Does this sound familiar?? It should!!! You made the same cardinal mistake 3 years ago and what did it cause. I guess you say if there no competition then it not a problem.

    Getting Ivey, center from Memphis and Murray makes a lot more since than a overpaid FA. Yes, I have posted in the past that I thought Dallas was better with Brunson at the PG than Luka. That opinion has changed and remember that Dallas not the Knicks. The dynamics of those 3 players could move the needle of the Knicks.

    If you really trying to do better then the F.O. Should have turn their attention to KD and not Brunson. Short term solution but a Transformative player. Having stated many times before he signed with the Nets. The problem with signing KD was his age IMO. So why now… Rose has shown he doesn’t know what he doing. An agent needs to know ‘How to build a Championship Team’ not overpaid for a player you firm represents.
    You must know talent, team needs and most important build competition.
    Where is the competition coming from to make the Knicks better?? Meaning practice and open positions. For those of you that don’t understand that it makes for fun and laugher on the team which builds chemistry.

    Question - was PG the biggest need for the Knicks??
    don’t answer it to me just answer it to yourself. I already know the answer!!

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    Hello, ding-dong. Knicks (supposedly) were desperate to get Ivey… Blame Sac GM for being an idiot.

    Mitch and IH better than Duran (MEM), and Murray’s agent orchestrated deal to get clients together in ATL

    Nice try!

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    Quote Originally Posted by htr10 View Post
    A think some people online balked at the Brunson signing because one, they don’t watch much basketball and had no idea what this kid did late last year and in the playoffs, and two, have lost reference for the size of NBA contracts.

    Zion just got a 5 year 193 million extension and he’s missed 50% of the games his first 2 seasons.

    Jokic just signed an extension where he’s going to make 60 million in the final year alone.

    4 years 106 million to poach another team’s guy and make him your starting PG is pretty reasonable.

    Now, the question becomes fit and system. Having Brunson won’t help us much if Randle and RJ are ball stoppers on offense.
    Did the Brunson signing save Leon/Perry from being FIRED before the start of the 2022-23 NBA season?

    The Mavs deadline trade to get play-maker Dinwiddie to replace the so-call injured Hardaway Jr. in the rotation gave the Mavs the missing weapon in the backcourt to guide Mavs to the WCF.
    Having a real NBA PG Dinwiddie the Mavs won't miss combo-guard Brunson.

    If you were the owner of the N.O. Pelicans would u give Fat-Boy Zion an extension, after the previous season?

    I'm hoping the Knicks don't give inconsistent RJ Barrett an extension. He failed as a SG and SF, plus his defense is suspect to fail in the 2nd half of each game.

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    So far how did the Knicks do in the 2022 FA Market ???
    1) Signed a Tier 2 combo-guard Brunson for twice his $$$ worth to a 4 yr contract. Brunson played 79 games, and was a starter in 61 games.
    2) Signed a Tier 4 center Hartenstein for twice his $$$ worth to a 2 yr contract.

    As a Knicks fan, throughout the 2021-22 Knicks season, I will be evaluating the experience combo-guard Brunson's performance vs the 44th pick combo-guard Keels raw performance?
    And Hartenstein performance vs Simms performance?

    Brunson + Barrett + Fournier vs D.Rose + Quickley + Keels ???

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    Good Luck with that!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiyaman View Post
    So far how did the Knicks do in the 2022 FA Market ???
    1) Signed a Tier 2 combo-guard Brunson for twice his $$$ worth to a 4 yr contract. Brunson played 79 games, and was a starter in 61 games.
    2) Signed a Tier 4 center Hartenstein for twice his $$$ worth to a 2 yr contract.

    As a Knicks fan, throughout the 2021-22 Knicks season, I will be evaluating the experience combo-guard Brunson's performance vs the 44th pick combo-guard Keels raw performance?

    And Hartenstein performance vs Simms performance?

    Brunson + Barrett + Fournier vs D.Rose + Quickley + Keels ???
    I disagree.......I like both signings.....We have been saying for so long we need a PG to facilitate an offense......now we have one.....
    Did the Knicks need to take away the 11th pick to make this happen NO......but thats done so it is what it is......
    We know we are not a top team in the East no matter what we did........

    As you know we disagree on RJ so this will be the season to decide who is right and who is wrong.......
    Robinson now signed which we wanted as long as he had a PG to run the offense and get him the ball......

    We will be better then last year but maybe a play in at best.......My thinking and I will be optimistic is that we now have a few parts in place.....so if we suck more then last year I am wrong......BUT if Brunson Barrett and robinson can gel on the court we have a young foundation and a lot of 1st rounders to use as a trade for a star next season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skisloper1 View Post
    I disagree.......I like both signings.....We have been saying for so long we need a PG to facilitate an offense......now we have one.....
    Did the Knicks need to take away the 11th pick to make this happen NO......but thats done so it is what it is......
    We know we are not a top team in the East no matter what we did........

    As you know we disagree on RJ so this will be the season to decide who is right and who is wrong.......
    Robinson now signed which we wanted as long as he had a PG to run the offense and get him the ball......

    We will be better then last year but maybe a play in at best.......My thinking and I will be optimistic is that we now have a few parts in place.....so if we suck more then last year I am wrong......BUT if Brunson Barrett and robinson can gel on the court we have a young foundation and a lot of 1st rounders to use as a trade for a star next season.
    Ski, are you serious?? You had facilitators in Frank and T. Burks. But didn’t give either a chance to run the offense. DON’T FALL INTO THIS HOLE!!

    We need some electricity and Ivey could have bought that to this team. Getting him and Murray from SA would move the needle of this team( not Transformative… Not a championship).
    Agreed not a top tier team in the east and we will never be with dumb moves like signing Brunson. Your words!!
    RJ “this will be the season who’s right or wrong”. It always the next year with you guys defending him. We been taken to depth of despair with trying to justify RJ existence. And now you want another year. What does someone have to do hit you in the head to my you understand. He is not more important than TEAM!!
    Once the PG get MRob the ball ‘ What is he going to do with it’?? He has no/none moves around the basket. He had no/none jumper. So what is he going to do??

    So what star is going to be a FA that is Transformative for next year??
    Last edited by Dark Raider; Jul 04, 2022 at 21:56.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skisloper1 View Post
    I disagree.......I like both signings.....We have been saying for so long we need a PG to facilitate an offense......now we have one.....
    Did the Knicks need to take away the 11th pick to make this happen NO......but thats done so it is what it is......
    We know we are not a top team in the East no matter what we did........

    As you know we disagree on RJ so this will be the season to decide who is right and who is wrong.......
    Robinson now signed which we wanted as long as he had a PG to run the offense and get him the ball......

    We will be better then last year but maybe a play in at best.......My thinking and I will be optimistic is that we now have a few parts in place.....so if we suck more then last year I am wrong......BUT if Brunson Barrett and robinson can gel on the court we have a young foundation and a lot of 1st rounders to use as a trade for a star next season.
    If the Knicks have a successful 2022-23 season it will be from a healthy D.Rose leadership on and off the court.
    Don't get me wrong, I like the idea of getting Brunson, It's just Brunson plays best in lineups having PG-Donicic, or PG Dinwiddie.
    In the upcoming Knicks season the starter lineup will have Bronson sharing the PG duties alongside Randle on offense .. I get it! Now what's up with the defense ???

    As a Knicks fan .. last season the Burks & Barrett & Fournier & Randle lineup had no chemistry on offense/defense game after game .. Many times I had to cut the Knicks game off as early as the end of the first quarter, or the start of the 3rd quarter .. The Knicks got into a habit of losing 20 point leads.
    How will Brunson improve Barrett's, Fournier, and Randle offense performance next season?
    Last season, the only consistent defensive player in the Knicks starter lineup were center MitchRob.
    I would've been happy if the Knicks FO would've signed FA Tucker instead of Hartenstein.

    The Knicks best winning lineup are D.Rose & Quickley's chemistry in the back-court having Obi Toppin & Taj Gibson (or Sims) in the frontcourt. Fournier could take Burks spot in the lineup better than Barrett.
    The FO and coach Thibs did not like the idea of the Knicks 2nd unit bench lineup performing better and more exciting than the Knicks starter lineup .. during the postseason games, and in the first 25 Knicks games of 2021-22 regular season games.
    It didn't look good for both parties .. So Thibs snatch Payton out the rotation to go 0-3 vs Hawks .. Then Thibs snatch Kemba Walker out the rotation early in the regular season while the Knicks were playing .500 ball, which turned fast into .450 ball the remainder of the season having a 37-45 season.
    Mainly from the Head coach decision-making throughout the season.

    Last year this time, so many optimistic media comments bout Kemba Walker returning to N.Y. to play for the Knicks .. Last year the media Kemba Walker Hype almost had me, but I was to upset with not signing Dinwiddie, and resigning Bullock.

    I hope Thibs dont wait to the end of the season to find out ..
    The Knicks best guard back-court tandem will be ..
    Brunson & Quickley, or Brunson & D.Rose, or D.Rose & Quickley

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Raider View Post
    Ski, are you serious?? You had facilitators in Frank and T. Burks. But didn’t give either a chance to run the offense. DON’T FALL INTO THIS HOLE!!

    We need some electricity and Ivey could have bought that to this team. Getting him and Murray from SA would move the needle of this team( not Transformative… Not a championship).
    Agreed not a top tier team in the east and we will never be with dumb moves like signing Brunson. Your words!!
    RJ “this will be the season who’s right or wrong”. It always the next year with you guys defending him. We been taken to depth of despair with trying to justify RJ existence. And now you want another year. What does someone have to do hit you in the head to my you understand. He is not more important than TEAM!!
    Once the PG get MRob the ball ‘ What is he going to do with it’?? He has no/none moves around the basket. He had no/none jumper. So what is he going to do??

    So what star is going to be a FA that is Transformative for next year??

    Let me be clear.......Do I think the FO sucks.....YES.....
    WERE THERE BETTER MOVES TO MAKE ......YES

    My points simply is we have what we have......Frank was never given a full chance so at this point that mistake meant we had NO PG.........I always thought he should play more......
    I have always said give RJ this season so we shall see........We have had and lets hope that changes no offensive scheme.....I blame coach not the players.....

    I guess time will tell......

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