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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Raider View Post
    The trade being discuss is one where the Knicks should be getting rid of MISTAKES!!! Ainge is getting rid of players who can only take the so far(not to a championship).
    There's a new ownership group that wants to put it's own mark on the franchise.
    Ainge laid out in his press conference after the trade where he said in the middle isn't where you want to be. Part of that goes with the top ten protections on Jazz picks in 2024,2025,2026- Jazz lose them if their not top ten. For that to make sense, Jazz would need to be a second round or Conference Finals team. There's enough of a track record that the Jazz didn't look like they would be getting any better than a first round/ border 2nd team.

    So they Fired their 50 win season head coach, plus trade the top defensive center in the NBA.
    Plus Ainge wants five to seven draft picks, and NBA ready young players on their rookie contract for D.Mitchell.
    The Utah Jazz new owners wanted to make a big change in the Jazz organization, to rebuild their own team. They don't care bout Gobert being a big fan favorite in Utah, neither D.Mitchell.
    Once D.Mitchell is traded, NBA fans could take the Utah Jazz out of the playoffs for the next several seasons.
    What team is dum enough to get Ainge what he wants? If you guess the mismanagement Knicks headed by a scout agent Leon Rose. Your absolutely right.

    At the start of the Knicks 2022-23 NBA season, Knicks fans will learn that Leon Rose makes major mistakes each season, and don't have a clue on fixing his mistakes !!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Raider View Post
    Questions - If you saw Ivey play in NCAA tournament or in SL…couldn’t(he will) be as good or better than D. Mitchell?

    What fool or fools would trade 6 or 7 first round picks for a player NOT named ‘Chamberlain or Jabbar?

    The trade being discuss is one where the Knicks should be getting rid of MISTAKES!!! Ainge is getting rid of players who can only take the so far(not to a championship).

    Hey Ski, this is why I’m not optimistic about the Knicks this season or the future. Outside of Kiya(his post right above) has anyone said get rid of the MISTAKES. Now there have one or two that question how much better the Knicks will be with Brunson and DMit. I totally agree with them. How can you have an real subjective discussion if you don’t know the real problems??

    I guess we are always working off of weakness.
    we have had a terrible draft record so one wonders how these picks will work for us.
    I hear you on the optimism. It is tough as our one goal is to make a championship team and we are no where close.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skisloper1 View Post
    I guess we are always working off of weakness.
    we have had a terrible draft record so one wonders how these picks will work for us.
    I hear you on the optimism. It is tough as our one goal is to make a championship team and we are no where close.
    That's true, I too became confuse over the Knicks urgency to stack-up above five future draft picks early in the offseason, after giving one away, plus a ending contract player last season before Feb. dead line. Plus ....
    The Knicks last 3 presidents has all Graded a C- minus in their draft.
    And the Knicks last 3 head-coaches Graded a C- minus on their rookie program.
    If the Knicks are planning to use the draft picks to trade for an all-star player, good.
    As long as the trade is all-star for all-star.

    I do not want Quickley & Obi Toppin traded, especially after being mentored for two seasons by D.Rose & Taj Gibson team-leadership. The two young players has co-exist well together in a lineup the past two seasons.
    I also, don't want either of the Knicks 2 young centers traded Sims & MitchRob.

    And if the Knicks trade young 2-Way guards Grimes & McBride to Utah for D.Mitchell.
    The Jazz having Patrick Beverley's tutorship in the guard rotation for a season .. which will improve Grimes & McBride raw creative skills by receiving plenty minutes of playing time throughout the season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiyaman View Post
    That's true, I too became confuse over the Knicks urgency to stack-up above five future draft picks early in the offseason, after giving one away, plus a ending contract player last season before Feb. dead line. Plus ....
    The Knicks last 3 presidents has all Graded a C- minus in their draft.
    And the Knicks last 3 head-coaches Graded a C- minus on their rookie program.
    If the Knicks are planning to use the draft picks to trade for an all-star player, good.
    As long as the trade is all-star for all-star.

    I do not want Quickley & Obi Toppin traded, especially after being mentored for two seasons by D.Rose & Taj Gibson team-leadership. The two young players has co-exist well together in a lineup the past two seasons.
    I also, don't want either of the Knicks 2 young centers traded Sims & MitchRob.

    And if the Knicks trade young 2-Way guards Grimes & McBride to Utah for D.Mitchell.
    The Jazz having Patrick Beverley's tutorship in the guard rotation for a season .. which will improve Grimes & McBride raw creative skills by receiving plenty minutes of playing time throughout the season.
    crazy to think this way but does getting rid of the picks deter the FO from just making dumb decisions. If we don’t use these to get DM then what will we use them for.

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    Don’t trade RJ or Grimes for DM!

    This tweet is plaque-worthy:

    “The RJ Barrett hate is weird… He just turned 22 & averaged 24 PPG in the final 42 games of this season… Can’t wait for year 4 RJ Barrett to set the league on fire #knicks”

    If you care about facts (not other’s opinion) then compare PPG, RPG, APG for Giannis, Kawhi, Butler, and RJ for their 3rd season in NBA. Not saying that’s where RJ is headed… but he’s certainly more valuable than his critics claim.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mafra View Post
    Don’t trade RJ or Grimes for DM!

    This tweet is plaque-worthy:

    “The RJ Barrett hate is weird… He just turned 22 & averaged 24 PPG in the final 42 games of this season… Can’t wait for year 4 RJ Barrett to set the league on fire #knicks”

    If you care about facts (not other’s opinion) then compare PPG, RPG, APG for Giannis, Kawhi, Butler, and RJ for their 3rd season in NBA. Not saying that’s where RJ is headed… but he’s certainly more valuable than his critics claim.
    Players Giannis, Kawhi, and Butler never looked LOST on the offensive end & defensive end of the court in their 2nd & 3rd season in the NBA.
    RJ Barrett is fools Gold !!!
    The Knicks perfect trade to Utah Jazz would be SG Barrett & SG Fournier & SG Grimes, plus a few future first rounders for SG Donovan Mitchell. Especially if the Utah Jazz has plans on Tanking the next few seasons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiyaman View Post
    Players Giannis, Kawhi, and Butler never looked LOST on the offensive end & defensive end of the court in their 2nd & 3rd season in the NBA.
    RJ Barrett is fools Gold !!!
    The Knicks perfect trade to Utah Jazz would be SG Barrett & SG Fournier & SG Grimes, plus a few future first rounders for SG Donovan Mitchell. Especially if the Utah Jazz has plans on Tanking the next few seasons.
    I hope your wrong on RJ because I’m a believer.
    trade 6 first rounders and EF and call it a day

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiyaman View Post
    Players Giannis, Kawhi, and Butler never looked LOST on the offensive end & defensive end of the court in their 2nd & 3rd season in the NBA.
    RJ Barrett is fools Gold !!!
    The Knicks perfect trade to Utah Jazz would be SG Barrett & SG Fournier & SG Grimes, plus a few future first rounders for SG Donovan Mitchell. Especially if the Utah Jazz has plans on Tanking the next few seasons.
    Butler had D-Rose. Leonard had Parker and Manu. Giannis is a freak (PG himself). RJ had washed up Kemba as his PG. Lots of people would look lost.

    Also, RJ should’ve been with Cam and Zion and Banchero at Duke.

    When RJ is 25… if he ain’t between a productive starter or an all star caliber talent… then come back and gloat.

    Ragging on a 19 or 20 or 21 year-old, stuck in. Moribund franchise, playing without a PG…. As if he’s a finished product is ridiculous.

    RJ is the least of our problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiyaman View Post
    Players Giannis, Kawhi, and Butler never looked LOST on the offensive end & defensive end of the court in their 2nd & 3rd season in the NBA.
    RJ Barrett is fools Gold !!!
    The Knicks perfect trade to Utah Jazz would be SG Barrett & SG Fournier & SG Grimes, plus a few future first rounders for SG Donovan Mitchell. Especially if the Utah Jazz has plans on Tanking the next few seasons.
    When this trade first came to light. The first player name came up for Mitchell was RJ. Then Ainge said he didn't want RJ. Ainge ain't dumb!! If RJ is a star or going to be a star then would you want star for star? Ainge wants draft picks not a bum.

    He(Ainge) sees RJ can't win a starting position in competition. Nobody in the league except the Knicks thinks highly of RJ. Look at his awards RJ has received... NONE!! Left off very award but placing 8th on the ROY. If he is traded you will find RJ on the bench next to the water boy with any other team. The Knicks are the only team that has a vested interest in making RJ look good. All his supporter always blame everybody else for RJ failures. They never... Ever address his play... his existent on the team. How do you win two positions in your Rookie year? He has played 3 different positions in 3 years, WHY?? Again, everybody is at fault for this Mistake failures and never him. They bring up his age... Well didn't anybody tell RJ to come out of school, but his handler told him and they glad the helpless Knicks was the team to draft him.

    Now we have to go thru another year with that BUM on the team. For all you that don't like it... There are a series of questions that I have asked and none... Repeat NONE of you have ever answer or tried to answer. Just tell me how he won 2 starting positions (PG & SG) his rookie year? (Beat out 4 or 5 vet's) & (Can't defend my died Grandmother) I'M WAITING!!

    BTW, Never ever forget the Player Only Meeting... Who did the team say was a problem?? Correct!!

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    Early on in CHi, the vets didn’t like MJ… they held players-only meetings to blast Jordan… bc they were doing drugs and didn’t like MJ’s no-nonsense professionalism.

    Opinions aren’t facts.

    “According to SNY’s Ian Begley, the Jazz inquired about a package that included RJ Barrett, Mitchell Robinson, a couple of players, and at least three first-round picks before it became official that Utah was willing to listen to offers for Donovan Mitchell.”

    RJ at 25 gonna make fools out of a lot of people. Keep making outlandish statements we all can come back to for a laugh come 2026.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skisloper1 View Post
    I hope your wrong on RJ because I’m a believer.
    trade 6 first rounders and EF and call it a day
    Ski, why would you give six 1st round picks?? Nobody but a young Jabbar or Chamberlain is worth that price. To even suggest that is so problematic. If you can rid yourself of a mistake then we should do so. If trading RJ and getting Mitchell without the six picks is a win and erase the mistake made 4 years ago.
    No matter how much you like RJ(it beyond me what you see) if the Knicks can get Mitchell and get rid of RJ. You should be turning flip’s. You have 3 years of seeing that BUM. You need another 3 years to see the same thing?

    Remember… Player Only Meeting’ and what was said, “who is the problem with the TEAM, The TEAM, Ski? To the player all said RJ.,. Wait Up man!! That didn’t come from me that came from players that was on the coach with him.

    When does the good of the team MATTERS?? He’s CANCER!!

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    “Did you know that the Knicks lost 10 games vs below .500 teams where they had 4th qtr leads last yr? Or that they were 18-26 in games decided by 5pts or less? Last years squad had issues closing games. Brunson and a healthy Rose may help with that.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Raider View Post
    Ski, why would you give six 1st round picks?? Nobody but a young Jabbar or Chamberlain is worth that price. To even suggest that is so problematic. If you can rid yourself of a mistake then we should do so. If trading RJ and getting Mitchell without the six picks is a win and erase the mistake made 4 years ago.
    No matter how much you like RJ(it beyond me what you see) if the Knicks can get Mitchell and get rid of RJ. You should be turning flip’s. You have 3 years of seeing that BUM. You need another 3 years to see the same thing?

    Remember… Player Only Meeting’ and what was said, “who is the problem with the TEAM, The TEAM, Ski? To the player all said RJ.,. Wait Up man!! That didn’t come from me that came from players that was on the coach with him.

    When does the good of the team MATTERS?? He’s CANCER!!
    you missed my point. RJ and 3 picks gets it done for me. FO won’t trade RJ so it’s a mute point.

    I said 6 picks because it seems the picks enable us to make bad contracts and then use a pick to get rid of them

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    Quote Originally Posted by skisloper1 View Post
    you missed my point. RJ and 3 picks gets it done for me. FO won’t trade RJ so it’s a mute point.

    I said 6 picks because it seems the picks enable us to make bad contracts and then use a pick to get rid of them
    I don’t understand the second paragraph.

    Let say the trade is made for whatever reason.
    In the offense scheme that the Knicks run.
    #1 option is Randle
    #2 option is Mitchell
    #3 option is Brunson
    #4 option is RJ at best
    This is your #3 overall pick at the 4th option.
    Explain why you want him on the team? He is invisible without the ball. He can’t and certainly shown he doesn’t effect the game without the ball. His defense is below average at best.

    Don’t forget you just signed MRob to big contract. His shots must increase because of the investment.

    I can see a scenario where there are 3 different camps on this team. ‘The Creatures of Habit’ - Randle & RJ. The D. Mitchell team. The Brunson team. The last two ran successful/different offense scheme than Randle/RJ. Randle could possibly fit in with Mitchell and Brunson but not RJ.

    The much bigger question is ‘Who’s team is it’??

    Did the F.O. think about chemistry??
    One other thing… Thib’s coaching style when it comes to Mitchell and Brunson.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Raider View Post
    I don’t understand the second paragraph.

    Let say the trade is made for whatever reason.
    In the offense scheme that the Knicks run.
    #1 option is Randle
    #2 option is Mitchell
    #3 option is Brunson
    #4 option is RJ at best
    This is your #3 overall pick at the 4th option.
    Explain why you want him on the team? He is invisible without the ball. He can’t and certainly shown he doesn’t effect the game without the ball. His defense is below average at best.

    Don’t forget you just signed MRob to big contract. His shots must increase because of the investment.

    I can see a scenario where there are 3 different camps on this team. ‘The Creatures of Habit’ - Randle & RJ. The D. Mitchell team. The Brunson team. The last two ran successful/different offense scheme than Randle/RJ. Randle could possibly fit in with Mitchell and Brunson but not RJ.

    The much bigger question is ‘Who’s team is it’??

    Did the F.O. think about chemistry??
    One other thing… Thib’s coaching style when it comes to Mitchell and Brunson.

    Rose won’t trade RJ was my point so why discuss it

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