Originally Posted by donchris
Did we all imagine Marbury leaving the team and flying back to NY when he found out that he wasn't going to start? I'm not saying that it's Marbury's fault that the Knicks have been losing since he's gotten here. I'm saying that the shoot first point guard or scoring PG doesn't work for this team so there's no place for Marbury on this team. The Knicks are better with out Marbury.

I tried to view this from every objective angle, from 'he's the best scorer on the team' to 'he's a born scorer let him play the two'. But the problem is his ego wont let him be a third scoring option. Reports have surfaced that several players have had issues with Marbury indicating that his presence is disruptive in the locker room. Marbury does more harm then good and sadly his time is up. I don't see how we can improve with Marbury as our floor general.
I agree that there is no place for Marbury on this team but I dont think the Knicks are better without him. You mention his ego being too big well theres gonna be problems on any team thats losing the way we are. If we were winning I think Marbury would accept his role.

Originally Posted by nyKnicks126
I already said it about 6 months ago after the season ended. I just was pissed to see a professional athlete drunk and high on television "trying" to make a good name for himself sellin Starbury's.

Plus his previous teams he didn't lead them up to anything special. He is a talent don't get me wrong ,but a right team has to find him at one point. Do I see him a success in another team? That question will be answered as "No". He is simply done. No one NO ONE wants him....
I guess you dont give a **** about the community, Marbury did alot for underpriveleged kids. Thats messed up but I hope he finds the right team and proves the haters wrong.

Originally Posted by Starks
Guys, can we put the Marbury thing to bed?

It is pretty clear his only affiliation to this team is by contract. Seeing as Thomas doesn't want him around, the players aren't saying they miss him, and with him getting booed at MSG when they showed his face on the titantron during the Win vs Wizards....He's not a Knick anymore, so I think its time to move on. It's in the past now.

Say what you want about him, but the bottom line is that the Knicks didn't do anything while he was here, and thats all that counts. The bad off court problems that occurred while he was here will probably be remembered even more. If the Knicks were winning, they wouldn't be the case, but we can't rewrite history.

We sucked while he was the focal point. And we still suck with him away.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that this argument is a stalemate.

Crawford is the new face of the franchise, so its his turn to start being the player that gets all the heat. As for Marbs, he's just an expiring contract for the Knicks to find a buyer for.
He did bring the Knicks to the 2003-04 playoffs before Isiah destroyed the team. And Datruth blamed Marbury for the departure of Kurt Thomas, Keith Van Horn, and Dikembe Mutombo which is unfair. The whole team got traded and Isiah was gonna trade everyone away no matter what, I dont think Marburys problems with these players had anything to do with their departure.

How are you gonna blame the Knicks doing nothing on Marbury? He did his job his first year and a half until Isiah started to trade the whole team away. The losing should be blamed on Isiah, anyone who doesnt blame this teams failure on him is an Isiahsexual. Check out his rap sheet. He made one bad trade after another. And since we got Curry this has been his team, not Marburys.

Originally Posted by Eddy Currys House Special
You left out the number one reason people hate on Steph, that along with Isiah Thomas, he is the face of the worst era in New York Knick history. Every casual basketball fan knows who Marbury is so if the Knicks are going to be among the worst teams in basketball he is the guy that will be blamed. Casual fans don't know that Steph's a very very good player but not great. They see his face all the time so they think he's supposed to be like the Ewing's of the world but he's not like that because he's not on the same level as a player. In many ways I feel sorry for Marbury. I can't waite until a book comes out with all the locker room stories of what really went on during his time year
lol its gonna be Jerome James that writes that book. I agree with what you said but thats from the perspective of the casual fan. I am more then just a casual fan so I realize that Marbury did his job his first year and a half but once we got Curry he was the face of the franchise. Maybe not to casual fans but to fans who read the papers and knew that Isiah kept runnin his mouth about how great Eddy will be and how hes the go-to guy(maybe for BK balue meals).

Originally Posted by Eddy Currys House Special
If we were gonna be bad, I'm glad that with Marbury we were at least interesting as opposed to some other bad teams who are boring as all hell. Does anybody remember any of the guys that were on those horrible Bulls teams after Jordan left? I never thought you could die watching basketball until I watched those teams.

The twolves example isn't really fair but the Nets were a 50+ loss team while Marbury was there then Kidd comes in and boom Nets win 50+ and go to the finals. I know other **** went down but guys ya gotta admit, it doesn't look good. The Suns one is interesting because sometimes I think people forget that the Suns were a playoff team with Marbury but Marion and Stoudamire hated Steph so I dunno. I think the thing with Phoenix is that how good Steve Nash is has made Marbury look that much worse.
I do have to admit it looks bad. But if you look into it deeper it doesnt look as bad. Kmart was a rookie when Marbury played in New Jerz. Kidd had Richard Jefferson as a rookie and Kmart in his 2nd year. Yes, Pheonix is better with Nash but I still think the Suns would be a tough playoff team with Marbury to this day.

Originally Posted by Eddy Currys House Special
Dude you gotta stop with the stats, pro sports and life in general is about a lot more then numbers. Also the kimbo slice I guess is something ya'll do on here but it's kind of ghey. It sounds like something you'd do to a grapefruit, sorry.
Most of what everyone has said here is opinions with some facts. I dropped opinions, facts, stats, everything.

Originally Posted by Eddy Currys House Special
It is not necessary for a pg to be a leader but when he's your best player, not to mention only established veteran, he better well be. His shortcomings as a leader to me is the biggest, most accurate knock on Marbury.

One thing you do not do with a guy who is not a leader is, make him the franchise. From the moment he got here this has been Stephon Marbury's team and whatever you want to say about him as a player is fine, but one thing that can not be denied is that he is not a leader. However, I don't really blame Stephon for this. If a good actor is cast in a bad role do you necessarily blame the actor or do you you blame, the agent, director etc etc for casting him in it?

Stephon Marbury was never cut out to play the role of a franchise player and this is what he was asked to do here in New York. I blame Isiah Thomas for this because he's the one that brought Steph here, gave him the keys and said this is your house. What Thomas should've done is said here Steph you could have a wing in the house but it's not fully yours. Soon I'll be drafting, signing or trading for someone who's house it will be. Instead dickhead Isiah gave Steph the house, then took it back from him to give to Eddy 'I-Hop' Curry and the rest is history
Alot of what you said is true but Marbury leds us to the playoffs in 03-04. In 04-05 we had Crawford chuckin shots and Nazr Mohammed got injured. Marbury had another great year but who knew this would be his last 10 and 8 year. In 05-06 Eddy Curry and is famous House Special came to the Knicks and became the 1st option. Larry Brown was the coach and in my opinion anything that happened this season should not be counted against any of the players on the team. That year was a disaster. Had Isiah done a better job of patching up holes on the team things would be completely different. It was really the acquisition of Crawford that hurt us more then anything. Once he became a Knick we started losing but the injury of Mohammed didnt help in that 04-05 season.

Originally Posted by lilman_bklyn
I actually believe that the Knicks are not necessarily better without Steph, but they are playing better as a team without him. It's like with Zach Randolph. Zach provides double digit rebounds and somewhat consistant jump shot, however, certain things he does on the court, sometime prevents the Knicks from optimizing his positive traits.

I believe that Stephon Marbury can be an asset to this team still. But not in a starting role. As it stands right now, and especially so if the Knicks continue to win without steph, Steph's role as the leading guard/player on this team has deminished. But his skills can still be utilized if he understands and accepts his new role when he finally does come back.

No one, who is objective, can say Marbury's skills are not still one of if not the best on the team. When focused on actualy playing the game and not on extra curriculr bull****, Marbury is still a real good player, and having that player, even if its in a more limited role, can only help to further the progress of the team.

Zach Randolph, during this 3 game win streak, has shown that maybe he is trying work within the team. Besides stretches of the black hole Zach, he has been passing out more and even trying on the defensive end and playing within his game. If Marbury comes back and is able to do the same, and be a distraction I believe the Knicks can continue its winning ways
Even if you take Marbury and Zach away theres still alot of talent on this team. But with these 2, if we could ever play together as a team watch out. And i thank the Knicks were just startin to play better 2 weeks ago (before Marburys injury). I believe that if Marbury was still playing we would still have this 3 game winstreak. Not bad lilman Bklyn

Originally Posted by hometheaterguy
You know the Marbury argument has been going on for so long here @ Knicks online and after going back and forth with everyone I have come to realize that there is clearly a line drawn right down the middle and either you are a Marbury lover or a Marbury hater. I fall on the latter but it's not that I hate him I just hate him on the Knicks! I think my posts have been consistent whereas I have always agreed that he is talented. He is a prolific scorer and he does put up tremendous numbers, assists included. Unfortunately his stats doesn't reflect his weaknesses, key weaknesses which are the subtle intangibles that seem to affect every team that he plays for. He is not a leader and he is not a visionary on the court. He is a 6'2" scorer, a very poor mans Dwayne Wade! Even though his numbers doesn't reflect it, when he is healthy Wade is a better over all QB that Marbury. Look, when he finally retires he will have impressive numbers and a legacy that will always bare this argument. Listen he has traveled from team to team with the notion that he is misunderstood and that he wasn't surrounded with the right team. When he is in a situation where the team is gelling; case in point when he first arrived in NY and the team was building momentum, he got Isiah's ear about Kieth VanHorn and boom, KVH was traded. Why? Because "Starbury" didn't like sharing floor time with guys that took away from his ball time. Marbury will reluctantly switch his game over to a pass first when the heat comes down on him for being selfish and then the team becomes very stagnant and Marbury's assist numbers go up slightly, his scoring goes way down and then the Marbury supporters come out and say "See, the team is not the same when Marbury is not the focal point". It's the same ol' dog and pony show with him. He has pulled this routine with every team he has played for. You know what, if the Knicks trade him tomorrow and they end up going on a tear, make the playoffs or barely miss them by a game or 2; the Marbury lovers will find an alternative explanation for why the team is doing better, like they always do. Marbury should be on a mediocre team where he is the star and that city is content with watching him do his thing and fall short of the playoffs or bow out in the first round! Oh wait, he is already in that City and on that team!!
Not bad but I dont think Isiah traded Van Horn because of Marbury. Isiah traded the entire team away. There were no reports that Marbury had problems with the entire team, just Mutumbo, Van Horn, and Mohammed. Isiah got us into this mess, not marbury.

Marbury is a far better passer the Dwayne Wade will ever dream of being. While hes a step below JKidd and Nash, hes a couple of steps ahead of Wade when it comes to dishin and swishin (assists).

His weaknesses did not effect this team in his first year here, when he carried the team to the playoffs. When Marbury first came the struggling Knicks had a record of 14-21. When the season was over, our record was 39-43. We went 25-22 with Marbury. After that Houston got injured and we got Crawford in a trade and that was the end of the Knicks. Marbury averaged over 21 points and 8 assists but with Crawford chuckin up shots missin almost all of them and playing no defense, what pg could have brought the Knicks to the playoffs? At that point maybe only Iverson because the Knicks were in need of more offense so a pg like Kidd would not have made much of a difference and Chris Paul wasnt around yet. Michael Sweetney was gettin good minutes then, where is he now? As i mentioned earlier in this post, the injury of Nazr Mohammed that year didnt help.l

Originally Posted by Kiyaman
Thank You for the above RESPONSE.

Because the answer to this POST was answered in 2003-4 season when the trade was approved by the REAL Knick-Fans that watched the N.Y. Starbury career on the Timberwolves, Nets, and Suns.
It was called "Dont Believe The Hype" of a 20/8 career record"...
How about "Give the Hype a fair Chance", it was Isiah who destroyed the team. The answer to this post was in the 2003-04 season when Marbury led us to the playoffs.

Originally Posted by datruth
thank you, i've been saying this for a while now, isiah brung stephon to be our leader and he failed......now isiah wants to shrink his role but stephon is stubborn as it gets, stephon fails to realize that he is not a go to guy....if he would have realized he's not a go to guy then this guy would have never left minnesota and who knows, might have a ring by now
Stephon didnt fail, Isiah did. Stop being an Isiahsexual, defendin Isiah should get people jail time. Do you think the offense is better off going through Zach, Eddy, and Crawford? Crawfords been playing much more efficient this month but who knows if it will last. Curry is a joke and Zach is also a joke.

On the flipside, I think if Marbury was still here and we were winning games he wouldnt be sayin **** like this and Zach wouldnt be begging to be traded. Winning cures everything. Players dont always make the best comments while their team is losing and this has been seen throughout the history of the league.

Originally Posted by nyKnicks126
Good point ^.. Basically all these trades the Knicks had after the Marbury trade was to fill the gaps and help Marbury out did it? Nah. Actually it didn't help anywhere... Phoenix, NJ, Minnesota. and NY.
I recommend that you re-read everything here. Your thinking to simple, at least others have an open mind and realise some of the reasons why those team got better besides Marburys departure.