Farewell Marbury???

How Many Athlets Can We Name With A Nice Little Stats But Are Terrible Teams Players With Bad Reputations Who Bring A Dark Cloud Wherever They Go.

U Stanburys Are Quick To Toss Out Them Little Stats Huh?
little stats? thats funny. name some 14 year nba vets who average 19 and 8 for a career
 

metrocard

Legend
Funny Thing Is You Think This Reply Is Giving You Credibility When Its Really Destroying The Little You Have

Of Course Its Not ALL Marbs Fault But Hes A BIG Part Of The Problem

:teeth::teeth::teeth:

MY DUDE

YOU ARE THE WORST POSTER ON THIS SITE

ABCD WITH ONE POST > YOUR LIFE

GO TO BED, SON.


little stats? thats funny. name some 14 year nba vets who average 19 and 8 for a career

He can't.
He can't even make a point.
LOL...you would ROAST him, he leaves himself so vunerable, dude always showing his pussy, needs to close his legs.
He'll go off on some REPEATED and RECYCLED rant on how Marbury is a terrible teammate and selfish.
 

KologeroBx

Benchwarmer
arite, first, you aint makin any sense. you said if it wasnt for isiah he wouldnt be here. then, you said if it wasnt for isiah, he would have been shipped out.

next, you stilll havent explained why hes part of the problem...why would the knicks have shipped him out?

Finally, suddenly Isiahs fault? suddenly? If you have payed any attention to the knicks over the past years, you would know isiah thomas is the majority reason why this franchise is where it is.

Isiah Brang Him In, Yes?

Has Isiah Protected Him And His Rep When They Were On Good Terms, Yes?

Once Marbury Got On His Cocky "I Got Shit On You" Deal Is When Shit Went Sour And Isiah Said "You Know What **** You Im Not Saving Ur Pathetic Ass Anymore"

And Not To Make Isiah Seem Like A Good Guy But You Act Like Isiah Didnt Inherit A Mess, Granted He Helped **** The Team Up But Puttin The Team Together Has Nothing To Do With Marbury So Lets Leave That Alone

Fact Is Marbury Has Been Here A Long Time And Has Helped To Accomplish Nothing, And Thats ASIDE From His Well Known Shitty Reputation For Being An Asshole And Terrible Teamate And All Around Selfish Person.
 

KologeroBx

Benchwarmer
I Dont See How Posting His Stats Is Good Enough Defence For The Kind Of All Around Player Teamate And Person He Is And Brings To A Team, Homeboy Has Accomplish Zero In His NBA Career. I Cant Help The Fact Mediocrity Gives You A Hard On.
 
And Not To Make Isiah Seem Like A Good Guy But You Act Like Isiah Didnt Inherit A Mess, Granted He Helped **** The Team Up But Puttin The Team Together Has Nothing To Do With Marbury So Lets Leave That Alone

Fact Is Marbury Has Been Here A Long Time And Has Helped To Accomplish Nothing, And Thats ASIDE From His Well Known Shitty Reputation For Being An Asshole And Terrible Teamate And All Around Selfish Person.
dude, when he inherited this team, it was a playoff team. 03-04.

and terrible teamate and person. thats why he bought his former suns teammate (my bad i forgot if it was barbosa or bell). And he sang isiah's praises once the zach randolph deal was made.
 

KologeroBx

Benchwarmer
dude, when he inherited this team, it was a playoff team. 03-04.

and terrible teamate and person. thats why he bought his former suns teammate (my bad i forgot if it was barbosa or bell). And he sang isiah's praises once the zach randolph deal was made.

LOL Playoffs, They Got Swept.

But U Know What, U Guys Are Right, Marbury Is An Amazing Player, A Hall Of Famer, And A Great Guy Who Makes Cheap Shoes For Poor Kids, How can You Hate Him? Its A Shame Hes Constantly Been A Failure In His NBA Life Cuz Of Other People Around Him Being So Bad.
 
LOL Playoffs, They Got Swept.

But U Know What, U Guys Are Right, Marbury Is An Amazing Player, A Hall Of Famer, And A Great Guy Who Makes Cheap Shoes For Poor Kids, How can You Hate Him? Its A Shame Hes Constantly Been A Failure In His NBA Life Cuz Of Other People Around Him Being So Bad.
Last time i checked a playoff team is a playofff team. And playoff teams aren't usually defined as messes.
 

TunerAddict

Starter
Dlee42 is totally right you guys....

I am totally content to send the Knicks to the first round every year and get swept. Its the playoffs! Woohoo for 15 straight years of first round playoff sweepage!
 

metrocard

Legend
KangarooBx, Isiah never inheritated a mess, stop sucking his balls.

We averaged 92 points per game, but only gave up 93 points per game.

Our line up was

Marbury
Houston
Tiny Tim
Thomas
Mutumbo

We had a deadly back court

This season Marbury averaged 9.3 assist for the Knicks and about 20 points per game with 3 rebs and 1.3 steals.

Houston shot 43% from 3pt and averaged almost 19 points per game on 2 two turnovers per game.

Thomas and Mutumbo was a strong defensive front court and could lock down other players game by game.


Because of all the injuries was most used line up was

Marbury
Anderson
Tim Thomas
Kurt Thomas
Mohammed


This season we made the PLAYOFFS but fell short to the Nets.




From NBA.com...


THE NEW YORK KNICKERBOCKERS marked their 58th season as a charter member of the NBA with a 39-43 (.476) regular season mark. . . Knicks earned their first NBA Playoff berth since 2001, as they finished in third in the Atlantic Division (eight games behind division champion New Jersey) and were seeded seventh in the Eastern Conference.

CANCEL THAT VACATION. . .AGAIN: After a two-year absence from the post-season tournament, the Knicks advanced to the NBA Playoffs for the first time since 2001, and for the 15th time in the last 17 seasons. . . Knicks made the Playoffs for a club record 14 consecutive seasons, 1988-2001. . . Knicks mathematically clinched a Playoff berth on April 7 (game no. 79) with a 96-82 victory over Chicago at Madison Square Garden, and with Cleveland?s subsequent 92-74 loss at Memphis.

THE RECORD (39-43): With a two-victory improvement over their 37-45 mark of 2002-03, Knicks joined the Indiana Pacers as the only two Eastern Conference teams who have increased their win totals over each of the last two seasons. Knicks have gone 30-37-39 in the win column in the last three seasons, Pacers have gone 42-48-61 (Detroit just misses joining the group, going 50-50-54 in last three years). . . Knicks were 29-25 following the Dec 22 appointment of Isiah Thomas as president, basketball operations. . . Knicks have recorded three consecutive sub-.500 campaigns for the first time since they finished below .500 for four straight seasons, 1984-85 through 1987-88.


ON THE LEADER BOARD: Stephon Marbury was the only NBA player to rank among League?s Top 20 in scoring (15th with 20.2 ppg), assists (8.9 apg, second to Jason Kidd's 9.2), steals (15th with 1.59 spg) and assist-to-turnover ratio (tied for 11th with 2.89). Steph led the NBA in total assists (719). . . Dikembe Mutombo was 14th in the NBA in blocks per game (1.89). . . Kurt Thomas tied for 20th in rebounding (8.3 rpg), and tied for 27th in FG pct. (.473). . .Despite his injury-shortened season, Allan Houston ranked third in the League in FT pct. (.913, behind only Peja Stojakovic?s .927 and Steve Nash?s .916) and seventh in 3PT FG pct. (.431).

WON-LOST STREAKS: Knicks? longest winning streak was five games (Jan 30-Feb 8 over Boston, Phoenix, Indiana, Miami and Clippers), their longest winning streak since they won five straight from March 11-20, 2001. . . Longest losing streak was six games, twice (Dec 1-10 and Feb 20-29).

BY THE MONTHS:
Knicks were 0-1 in October, 7-9 in November, 7-9 in December, 8-8 in January, 4-8 in February, 9-5 in March and 4-3 in April. . . Knicks? 9-5 March marked their winningest month since January 2003 (10-8). . .Winning months in March (9-5) and April (4-3) marked NY?s first back-to-back winning months since March-April 2001 (9-7, 6-4).

EAST/WEST:
Knicks were 31-23 against the Eastern Conference, recording their highest win total against the East since 2000-01 (32-22). . . Knicks went 17-7 against the Atlantic Division, their best mark vs. the Atlantic since 1996-97 (19-6). . . Knicks recorded season sweeps over Atlanta (3-0) and Washington (4-0), and also won season series against Boston (3-1), Miami (3-1), Orlando (3-1), Philadelphia (3-1), New Orleans (2-1) and Toronto (3-1). . . They defeated every Eastern Conference team at least once, except Cleveland (0-4). . . However, Knicks were just 8-20 against the Western Conference (2-12 on the road).


NEW FACES OF ?04: Almost immediately upon appointment, Thomas embarked on a series of player moves that decisively changed the face of the Knicks. . .Moochie Norris and John Amaechi (waived on Jan 5) were acquired on Dec 30 from Houston for Clarence Weatherspoon. . . Then in a stunning Jan 5 megadeal, two-time All-Star Stephon Marbury, four-time All-Star Anfernee Hardaway and Cezary Trybanski were acquired from Phoenix for senior Knick Charlie Ward, Howard Eisley, Antonio McDyess, Maciej Lampe, the draft rights to Milos Vujanic and two future draft picks. . . DerMarr Johnson was signed as a free agent on Feb 3. . .At the All-Star break (Feb 15), Tim Thomas and Nazr Mohammed were acquired in a three-team deal that sent Keith Van Horn to Milwaukee and Michael Doleac and Joel Przybilla to Atlanta. . .Four-time All-Star Vin Baker was signed as a free agent on March 12. . .At the close of the season, only seven players remained on the Knicks? 15-man roster from Opening Night: Shandon Anderson, Othella Harrington, Allan Houston, Dikembe Mutombo, Michael Sweetney, Kurt Thomas and Frank Williams.

DEE-FENSE: Improvement on the defensive end was a key to Knicks? return to post-season play. . .Knicks finished 13th in the NBA in ppg allowed (93.5), and eighth in opposition FG pct. (.429). . . By comparison, in 2002-03, they ranked 20th in opposition ppg (97.2) and 26th in opposing FG pct. (.457). . . Knicks recorded their lowest opposition ppg and lowest opposition FG pct. since 2000-01 (86.1 ppg, .417 opposing FG pct.). . . This season, the Knicks recorded their 18th, 19th and 20th sub-70 opposition games of the shot clock era (68 points by Orlando on Nov 3; 64 points by Miami on Feb 7; 65 points by New Jersey on March 19).

DEE-FENSE, PART II: Knicks pulled down 3,493 total rebounds (42.6 rpg, 14th in NBA), their highest rebound total since 1993-94 (3,717). . .Thanks in great measure to Dikembe Mutombo (123) and Kurt Thomas (80), the Knicks recorded 391 total blocks (4.77 bpg), their highest total since 1990-91 (418 total, 5.10 bpg). . . Knicks held the opposition under .400 shooting 26 times in 2003-04, going 20-6 in those games. In 2002-03, the defense recorded just 14 sub-.400 shooting games (9-5).

THAT WAS THE WEEK THAT WAS. . .TWICE: Dikembe Mutombo (period ending Nov 30) and Stephon Marbury (period ending Jan 18) were both honored as the NBA?s Eastern Conference Player of the Week. . . It was Deke?s eighth career POTW honor, Stephon?s sixth. . . Knicks had two POTW honorees in the same season for the first time since 1991-92, when Patrick Ewing (period ending Jan 5) and Mark Jackson (period ending March 29) were honored.

20-20 VISION: Eleven different Knicks recorded 20+ point games in 2003-04: Stephon Marbury (25), Allan Houston (20), Keith Van Horn (18), Tim Thomas (6), Shandon Anderson (4), Kurt Thomas (3), Nazr Mohammed (2), Howard Eisley (1), Anfernee Hardaway (1), Moochie Norris (1) and DerMarr Johnson (1). . .Knicks had their highest number of single-game 20+ scorers since 1965-66, when they also produced 11 members of the 20+ club: Jim ?Bad News? Barnes, Dick Barnett, Walt Bellamy, Emmette Bryant, Barry Clemens, Tom Gola, Jumpin? Johnny Green, Howard Komives, Willis Reed, Dave Stallworth and Dick Van Arsdale.


INJURIES: Knicks recorded 234 manpower games lost due to injury, the 15th-highest figure in the NBA and the third time in the last four years Knicks have recorded 200+ games missed. . . Among those who missed double-figure games due to injury were Allan Houston (30), Michael Sweetney (22), Antonio McDyess (17), Dikembe Mutombo (15) and Frank Williams (13). . . In all, 17 different players missed at least one game due to injury/illness.

LINEUPS: Through a season marked with player moves and injuries to key starters, the Knicks used a staggering 23 different starting lineups in 2003-04 (as opposed to just six starting lineups in both 2001-02 and 2002-03). . . Knicks recorded their highest number of starting lineups since 1986-87, when Hubie Brown and Bob Hill employed 25 different lineups. . . Most-used lineup was the season-ending lineup of Marbury/Anderson/Mohammed/Kurt Thomas/Tim Thomas (12 games, 6-6).


FROM THE LINE: After recording a club record .815 FT pct. in 2002-03 (2nd in NBA), Knicks finished third in the League with a .793 FT pct. (1,374-1,732 FTA), trailing only Dallas (.796) and Sacramento (.795). . .Allan Houston finished third in the NBA with a .913 mark from the line (second-best in Knicks history to Allan?s .919 in 2002-03), while three-fifths of the season-ending starting lineup -- Stephon Marbury (.833 w/NY), Kurt Thomas (.835) and Tim Thomas (.813 w/NY) ? all shot .800+ from the stripe.


THREEEEEE-POINT GOAL: Knicks finished fourth in the NBA in three-point FG pct. (.364 on 406-1,115 from Downtown). . .
Knicks trailed only Sacramento (.401), Seattle (.373) and Houston (.366) in three-point FG pct. in 2003-04. . .Knicks recorded six games with at least 10 3PT FGM this season. . . Knicks nailed a season-high 15 (of 26) home runs in 114-86 win at Orlando on Dec 29, falling one shy of club record 16 (Jan 10, 2003 at Philadelphia).

ON THE OFFENSIVE: Knicks finished 16th in the NBA in ppg (92.0) and 12th in FG pct. (.442). . . They were 16-1 when scoring 100+ points (lone loss came on Jan 12, when they lost to Dallas in OT, 127-121).


March 14, 2004: Tim Thomas' 20 points and 8 rebounds helped the Knicks overcome a 26 point deficit and record their biggest comeback win since the 1991-92 season.

COMEBACKS: [/B]Knicks won 11 games this season in which they trailed by double figures (most since 14 in 1999-2000). . . Heading the list of comebacks was an amazing 103-100 ABC win at Milwaukee on March 14, in which the Knicks trailed by as many as 26 points and recorded their biggest comeback win since the stat was first charted in 1991-92. Michael Redd?s layup gave the Bucks a 26-point lead (65-39) with 10:43 left in the third quarter, but Knicks outscored Milwaukee 64-35 over the game?s last 22:29. . . Knicks eclipsed their prior biggest post-1991-92 comeback: from 22 points down in win vs. Chicago on March 2, 1995. Knicks also rebounded from a 22-point halftime deficit (61-39), one point shy of their biggest halftime comeback (from 23 points down at halftime to beat Philadelphia on April 6, 1987). . . On the flip side, Knicks lost nine games this season in which they led by double figures (fewest since six in 2000-01). Biggest blown lead in loss was 19 points in 88-81 loss at Portland, Dec 5.

MARGINS: Knicks were 6-6 in games decided by three points or less, 4-6 in games decided by 20 points or more. . . Biggest winning margin was 29 points (Dec 30 vs. Miami, 102-73), the last of three consecutive 20+ point wins (also 100-80 at Miami on Dec 27; 114-86 at Orlando, Dec 29). Knicks recorded three consecutive 20+ point wins for the first time since Nov 20-21-23, 1997 (over Atlanta, Washington and Vancouver). . . Biggest losing margin was 32 points (Jan 8 vs. Houston, 111-79).

BACK TO BACKS: Knicks played 20 sets of back-to-back games. . .In back-to-backs, Knicks swept six sets, lost five, and split nine. . . Knicks? first back-to-back sweep this season came on Dec 13-14 (95-88 vs. Denver, 89-87 vs. Washington), and marked their first back-to-back sweep since Jan 23-24, 2002 (96-92 at Toronto, 96-91 vs. Phoenix). Since then, Knicks played 33 sets of back-to-back games without a sweep, until finally ending the dry spell. . . Knicks also swept a four-games-in-five-days set from Dec 26-30, beating Miami (twice), Memphis and Orlando. It was their first sweep of a four-in-five since Jan 29-Feb 2, 1994 (over Seattle, Portland, Boston and Washington).

WIRE TO WIRE: Knicks recorded four wire-to-wire wins in 2003-04 (games in which they never trailed). . . Included were back-to-back wins on Dec 26 at Memphis (98-94) and Dec 27 at Miami (100-80), their first consecutive wire-to-wire triumphs since Feb 19 and 21, 1999 (over Philadelphia and Chicago). . . Conversely, Knicks had 10 wire-to-wire losses (never led).



And after that we just went down hill.

A smart GM would of let these contracts expiring, save the draft picks and just build from there. Instead Isiah took the path that has us in the mess we're in now.

All I can say is

Anderson >>> Crawford
Thomas >>> Randolph
Mutumbo >>> Curry

Unselfish defensive veterans > selfish no defense one dementional overrated "young talent"



Stephon Marbury rips Isiah Thomas' scheme, no longer a 'scoring guard'
BY IAN BEGLEY
DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER

Saturday, January 12th 2008, 4:00 AM

Stephon Marbury revealed Friday night that he is struggling to adjust to his new role in Isiah Thomas' offense, suggesting that for the money the Knicks are giving him, they should expect more out of him.

"I didn't get paid the money I got paid to do what I'm doing now," said Marbury, who is the NBA's fourth-highest paid player at $20.1 million. "I got paid to be a scoring guard. ... Now I'm playing more of a passive role."

Marbury finished with 13points, eight assists and four rebounds in last night's 99-90 loss to Toronto. Thomas has designed the offense to feature Eddy Curry, Zach Randolph and Jamal Crawford.

Friday night, Randolph was held scoreless and Curry had just six points. Crawford scored 27.

"It's not working out right now," Marbury said of Curry being the centerpiece.


http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/2008/01/07/2008-01-07_stephon_marburys_point_of_no_return.html?page=1[/url]

"Whatever you think about Stephon, you can't tell me that the Knicks have a better chance of winning with Mardy Collins," said one NBA coach. "That never made any sense."

The fallout from Thomas' peculiar decision still resonates. The Knicks are 6-21 since the infamous plane ride.

Marbury came into the season saying he was a changed man after finding God. He has even tried to make peace with members of the media. But the scars from the Phoenix trip still linger.

"For a while, no one would talk to Steph when he came into the locker room," said one Knick. "He was being very quiet."

The phasing-out process already has started. Thomas is giving Crawford and Nate Robinson more time at point guard and using Marbury off the ball, which doesn't play to his strengths. Marbury, though, isn't complaining. With a contract that runs through next season, a beaten-down Marbury seems resigned to the fact that his career with the Knicks will end badly.

"Isiah gives Jamal the green light," said one Rockets player. "He's Isiah's pet. Steph doesn't have that freedom. Maybe he once had it. But not anymore."

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Tim Thomas
Micheal Sweetney
Jermaine Jackson
LeMArcus Aldrige(#2 draft pick of 2006) - Averaging 18 and 7(75% FT, 53%FG)
Joakim Noah(Number 9 draft pick of 2007) - Rookie that would fill our defensive woes
Kyrlo Fesenko(number 38 draft pick of 2007) - 20 year old 7"1 286 center from Ukraine, has a lot of skill and ability.
2009 second round pick


For Curry, Davis


Lets see who was available @ number two in the 2006 draft...

Adam Morrison - sucks
Tyrus Thomas - Defensive player of the year material
S. Williams - ass
Brandon Roy - future all star
Randy Foye - Billups-ability
Rudy Gay - is becoming a superstar(nice trade Rockets)


Lets see who was available at number seven in the 2005 draft since we took Frye

Andrew Bynum(
Danny Granger

I really wanted one or the other in this draft. Bynum is becoming a young phenom, check out his season with LA so far

Bynum
11 ppg
9.7 rebounds
2 blks
59% FG
68% FT
1.5 assist
1.4 turnovers

in 26 minutes per game!!!, playing with Kobe Bryant too. We need to give Curry 48 minutes to average even 7 rebounds. In 26 minutes per game, Curry stats would look terrible, probably 11 ppg, 3 rebounds, no blocks, 2 turnovers, zero assist.

We lost a gem in Bynum, and Granger is a guy who can play multiple positions, shoot, defend, rebound, everything basically. We lost out on a franchise center and a franchise wing player.


The 2005 draft hurt us the most, I'm not really pissed about the trades as I should be, but the 2005 draft where Isiah choosed Frye over Bynum was awful.


Imagine having Bynum, Aldridge on this team for now and the future?

Could of been

Marbury/Robinson
Crawford/Richardson/Collins
Balkman/Ariza(**** the Francis for Penny/Ariza deal)
Aldridge/Lee
Bynum/James

Aldridge/Bynum >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Randolph/Curry.

During the Knicks' loss to the Mavericks at Madison Square Garden on Monday night, Isiah Thomas argued with fans in the front row, telling them the fans were to blame for the team's woes.

"He said it?s the fans? fault because they don?t have a good sixth man," said Mara Altschuler, who has season tickets in the front row near the Knicks? bench.

Altschuler sought out the news media after the game to relate the conversation.
 
Dlee42 is totally right you guys....

I am totally content to send the Knicks to the first round every year and get swept. Its the playoffs! Woohoo for 15 straight years of first round playoff sweepage!

see now if you read back into the thread, you would see that not what i meant.
kolgero said isiah inherited a mess. now you tell me if that team was i mess. I never once said anything about accepting getting swept by NJ in the first round. what i said was, the 03-04 team was good enough to make the playoffs. Thats is not a mess. What we had in 07-08 is a mess.
 

metrocard

Legend
see now if you read back into the thread, you would see that not what i meant.
kolgero said isiah inherited a mess. now you tell me if that team was i mess. I never once said anything about accepting getting swept by NJ in the first round. what i said was, the 03-04 team was good enough to make the playoffs. Thats is not a mess. What we had in 07-08 is a mess.

Bingo. :afro:
 

metrocard

Legend
We Had 4 More Wins Then Losses, Swept Out The 1st Round And Severe Cap Problems. Sounds Like A Great Team Huh?

Not a mess.

Playoff team
with EXPIRING CONTRACTS AND DRAFT PICKS.

Isiah made it into
Lottery TEAM
with NO EXPIRING CONTRACTS and no DRAFT PICKS.

Stop being hardheaded, its simple to understand.
 

TunerAddict

Starter
see now if you read back into the thread, you would see that not what i meant.
kolgero said isiah inherited a mess. now you tell me if that team was i mess. I never once said anything about accepting getting swept by NJ in the first round. what i said was, the 03-04 team was good enough to make the playoffs. Thats is not a mess. What we had in 07-08 is a mess.

Just messing with you bro :p
 
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