ohh... i was going by country of origin for the international player part... not where they played... guess i should have specified... my bad...
pierce was NBA All-Rookie Team: 1999
2 Time All-NBA Third Team: 2002, 2003
5 Time NBA All-Star: 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006
NBA Regular Season Points Leader: 2002 (2,144)
NBA Regular Season Free Throws Made Leader: 2003 (604)
Other NBA Player Awards Distinctions:
Holds NBA record for most free throws made without a miss, playoffs: 21 (Game 1, 2003 Eastern Conference First Round)
Member of 2002 USA Basketball World Championship Team Member of 2006 USA Basketball World Championship Team
before garnet and allen... don't try to denigrate a star... dirk had nash and finley... then howard, harris, terry and co... yeah... he led the team... you damn right... he should have... but he crumpled in the finals... stopped taking it to the post... stopped driving... it's like they collectively... but he and josh howard did so especially... paul pierce hit big shots throughout the playoffs and the finals and without his effort offensively and defensely... the celtics wouldn't have won... remember LA almost came back from 20+ back in game two except for his shots... yes... garnet was the soul of the team and his intensity improved everyone else... and ray allen found his shot against la... but when it counted the most... pierce was the most important celtic delivering them out of series while garnet and at times allen struggled... most analysts will agree with that... i'm saying you switch rosters and players... and dallas wins in 06 with pierce instead of dirk... and the mvp is decided by sports writers... so it's usually not a barometer of the best player in the league... this will probably go over your head so i won't bother interacting too much...
i never said stern was a racist... of course it's business sense... thanks for agreeing... so let me get this straight... i say... stern is trying to market to white people because ratings were sagging, etc... you say stern did it because he's a smart businessman and call me a moron? hm? i guess the lack of digits in my bank account make it hard for me to understand things i guess... but i would think that if you were running a business... you WOULD research and whatnot... anyway... i don't dispute the talent of white qbs... and i guess i should have pointed out elway, namath, montana, young, mannings, etc... but i'm saying that whether or not the talent was there... a lot of black qbs are moved to other positions in college... look how many rbs, wrs, safeties, etc say they played qb in hs... we'll never know if the black qb of yesteryear or the potential black qb was... but many were not given the opportunity because people really though black qbs were genetically incapable of running teams... that's a fact... simple questions... why was the 07 superbowl so important? dungy and smith were not the first good black coaches... they were the first two given enough of an opportunity to get to that position... the percentage of minority coaches is increasing yearly in the nfl and all pro leagues... but how curious is it that in the nba... founded 25 years later a black coach won in 21 years after its inception... but in the nfl... we waited 86 before an african american could hoist the crown...
you're right about the plight of the irish, italian, asian, shyte anyone that wasn't potestant in the us throughout its history... but i didn't omit anyone to pretend they didn't exist... the fact is... african americans and latinos are groups that are for a variety of reasons prosecuted... but you're right it is up to the individual to chose... but your surroundings... your family structure... the people and role models around you who you emulate growing up tip the scales... some people can't deal with it... i can... but i'm not going to denigrate those who can't... because i see these people... i am these people... we just took different paths...
btw... notice i didn't reference your beef with knicksfanz for what he said about italians... i don't agree with flaming anyone's race online... that's beef between you and him... you were bringing up some other shyte i disagreed with... but if that made you want to fantasize about two dudes on the internet good for you...
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Dammmn loooking at that list, besides Elton Brand and Corey Magette, did Duke ever produce starting players.
To answer your question about David Stern if it is a question of MARKETING over the issue of TALENT. Then it can become racially based. Let's say for example this is baseball. Got a hot Italian prospect at 3rd base. Best in the US. Number #1 pick talent. Your the Kansas City Royal, and he's from Jersey.
Consider you haven't had a talent like this in the last 30 years. Your ball club is struggling to fill the stadium. You need something big to show the fans "you're turning it around". At he same time your population is largely hispanic, and there are some other good hispanic prospects but not as good as this kid. They'll be solid players, but not hall of fame class..all your scouts agree on this point.
Your the GM...what do you do?
Sure you can take the top talent and let winning be your guide, and build around the kid. However, if the kid busts out and just can't cut it..you're left with a player you can't market or still draw folks to the ballpark for anymore.
Trade down get some latino players who have considerably less talent, but are not slouches. Sure they can bust too, but the community in which you serve can better identify with them and they as player will be more "included, and accepted when you're losing. So if you have those lean non-winning years when your a few pieces away...they'll still come to the ballpark.
Then your decision becomes about business, not talent.
The Brooklyn Dodger's could have had Joshua Gibson, better hitter than Ruth ever was..didn't take him he was too confrontational..they needed a black man that could play and both "keep quiet". Just felt too angry of a black man wouldn't work for what they were trying to do which was win, but at the same time needed someone who would dance to their tune.
Race has alot to do with marketing/business. You always cater to your customers. If Micheal Jordan would've had Allen Iverson's attitude and off the court problems..do you think he ever would've been made the global face of basketball and corporations all those years and still is today?
Ain't no one put down your race. Stop getting so uptight. Made a few jokes, and next thing you go completely ape****. I'd hate to see you have recognize a real racist, from a person who jokes about it. As well, ain't no one made about not being born Italian. Everyone should be pissed they weren't born wealthy however.
True other races, especially in American history been ****ed over. However, was no jim crow for Italians. Now you had a big deal between Protestants and Catholics for many years in early America. Italians, Irish, Germans, all also don't stand out from a crowd till their mouth is opened and speaks. Let's just be real about that fact. Just not as easy as a target plain and simple. Even genetic.
How come the same Italians that had racial pressure on them from the Irish and German communities didn't support the civil rights movement of blacks?
How come the same one's that got discriminated against for their religious practices, didn't say anything about making one's about color differences?
At the end of the day despite all the superficial bonds of faith, and brotherhood even. People who look like eachother or favor..tend to stick more together. Sure individuals can collaborate..but the for the masses..always strength in those who like more like you.