i feel bad that you had to right all this...alotta knicks fans are blind to the fact that crawford is only an average player. They see his 20 and 5 numbers which appear to be good but if you watch him enough and you take a look at his shooting percentages...you know the deal. I knew a knicks fan from my college who was all over crawfords nuts. It made me sick. Hes the most overrated player on this team...EVER with david lee in 2nd place. Some of the white fans stay on Lee's c0ck like a jimmy hat.
Great post metro...im gonna add this to the Crawford sucks thread....even though i dont think crawford sucks. I felt like it was necessary to use that thread title to get the point across.
Here we go again we love Lee because he is White,Maybe you cant understand respecting a player who works hard maybe thats not a criteria for you,Dont you know us White Fans have a secret society and only want white guys on the team,Honestly Im about done with this site almost everybody on here turns everything into a White and Black issue its a ****ing Joke.You know what Im gonna stop Respecting what Lee does Im gonna start Respecting the other players on the team like Marbury I respect the fact that he cant fit in anywhere and is a complete disruption or how about Curry I Respect how he is the laziest Softest player in the league and that he is gonna eat his way out of the NBA,Or maybe Q Rich who I see in my friends Strip Club almost as much as the Dancers maybe Nate who rather dunk than win and has no problem sitting on the bench down 40 and laughing and joking,or how about Zach he is the perfect role model great teamate never in trouble,Or should I back Crawford who has never once played team basketball since the day he has been here Jerome James now theres someone to get behind,You know even better I should have really Supported Isiah now thats a guy with Class his team is the laughing stock of the league and he is spending all his time trying to bang ****ed up looking interns.I hate to break this to you but most people in the white society Respect hard work its not that we ride anyones **** we dont have to at least I dont have to but obviously unlike you we Respect players that earn there contract and work hard,And just so you dont get it twisted I respect Balkman to they are the only to guys on the team that play hard so dont Hate because this team is full of clowns and there are only two players that are respectable it just so happens that one of them are white.You know I usually like your Posts but that one was a joke
If that's not overreacting, I don't know what is.
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Tell me about it. lol All I said was for Jiminezz to calm down, and that a few people really do like David Lee because he's white. You could read the quotes I have on page 3 of this thread. I wasn't even trying to attack Jiminezz. I was just trying to tell him to calm down, because it was no big deal. lolOriginally Posted by metrocard;616[B
I'm white and think Lee is a bit overrated. However, I do understand why fans are so attracted to him over and above the fact that many people root for players that are similar to themselves (either race or ethnic background etc..). He has a great work ethic, plays really hard in games, and seems more team oriented than a lot of the other Knicks. Fans love that. By the way, I am an Italian American and think Gallinari will be a contender for rookie of the year and D'Antoni will get coach of the year. So maybe I am a little biased also.
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And your listed players have had problems either on the court or off unlike Lee. Randolph has argued with his coach before and involved in stupid shootouts or fights whatever he has gotten hit wit the headline news. Crawford I like but is getting hated on for his fg% last year. Curry was a disspointment last year as compared to the year before when he averaged 19 a game, but i still think he has potenital. and Robinson has an ego and was involved in that NUggets fight so of course all these players get more ciritcism.
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I agree with what you're saying. David Lee is a good player. A lot of people take it too far, though, and they act like if David lee is a superstar. If someone was to put a poll that asked if David Lee is a future All Star, I guarantee you that at least 25% would say yes. You're new to this website, so you don't know, but there was a person in here that said he would trade the entire team for draft picks except David Lee. I'm not going to say who said it, but it's things like that that makes him overrated.
About Curry, You can say I'm living in the past but two years ago when Curry scored 19 a game he was impressive. If you have a decent passing PG to feed to him in the post and use pick and rolls, he is dominate due to his power. It's my opinion to say he has potenital or not it's really a 50/50. People look at last year where i see last year as a disspointment becuase Isiah f'ed everything up and messed wit Curry's game and Curry wasnt aggressive and Isiah should have brain washed him to be agressive especially on the boards and offensive paint. He can use his power to his advantage but i hope Mike D can teach him that.
And about that person sayin they'd trade everyone but Lee, now that were seein guys like Chandler spring up he would have made a huge mistake lol. Lee is a solid rebounder which is ver very very important especially from PF's. Any guy who can average 10 rebounds a game off the bench has my vote to stay unless we can get a starter in return. He is very valuable and thats why he is our best trade bait as of now. Rebounds wins games u can see our summer league games when we get dominated off the boards we get raped plain and simple.
That's why Zach may be a cancer with his bad defense and contract but he can rebound which is a huge plus. As i said one time as of now, starting should be Lee at PF and Zach at Center only because of rebounding it can make up for some bad defense.
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I think Lee is a an efficient scorer, solid rebounder, good team oriented player and is at least somewhat likely to continue improving all his skills. What he lacks right now is a good enough mid range or outside jump shot to keep his defender honest when he's on the outside. That's a bit more of a liability when our center (Curry) is pretty much useless other than his very efficient scoring in the post. If you don't have good outside shooters on the court with Curry, it gets TOO easy to double and triple team him inside which takes away his one contribution to the team and sometimes leads to extra turnovers. Granted, you can't blame Lee for Curry's shortcomings, but if he had more of an outside game, he would be a more complete offensive threat. That's what he needs to work on. Also, he's not a terrible defender, but he's not a great one either. He's not overly physical and can't block shots etc...
He's a solid ball player, but when people talk about him like he's one of the best PFs in the league, they are off the mark.
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The problem is that way to many people sterotype white fans,Do you think that we are all the fat middle aged stock brocker who gets his tickets from the office and has never played organized sports in his life,There are many knowledgable white fans out there who dont overate Lee and know what his shortcommings are,Do you think for one second I bealive Lee is the type of player you build a Championship team around he is a very good core player and could be a very nice piece of the puzzle,But I will let you know why Lee is a fan favorite he works hard,He plays the game the right way,And he has BALLS he bangs under the basket he does the things that all these over priced bums dont.Now I bet you that if you ask any White David Lee fan with basketball knowledge if they would take Oakley in his prime or Lee I gurantee they pick Oakley,Same type of player same intangiables with a better jump shot,Real Knick fans care about winning not color,So please stop thinking all White Knick fans are corporate.And if your going to bring up Marbury,Randolph,Curry,And Robinson being better thats fine but talk to me about them when they grow up and start acting like men and give the garden and the fans some respect,They need to stop crying,Complaining,Fighting,Getting in trouble,play team basketball,Play up to there contracts and realize its an honor to play in New York