MSG, what you fail to realize is that it's not being a Duhon supporter, it's being a Knicks supporter, period. Duhon has done what has been asked of him, he has exceeded expectations (see: abcd at the beginning of the season posting Duhon's stats to mock him, only to remove them when they became respectable).
I am a KNICKS fan, and as a KNICKS fan I support this team getting better. This team is better over last year, period. It's not about Marbury or Duhon or D'Antoni it's about the team that puts on the blue and orange every night. Marbury refused to do that this year, when asked. Marbury QUIT on ALL OF US, this report has just come out
MARBURY never wanted to play for this team. He quit on me, he quit on everyone on this board, and everyone in NY, just like he quit on Mike D'Antoni in Phoenix (as D'Antoni has said).
MARBURY did not want to be here, when given the opportunity HE DID NOT PLAY, HE "PREFFERED" NOT TO! WHAT KIND OF "CHAMPION", "LEADER", "WARRIOR" OR SELF RESPECTING BASKETBALL PLAYER REFUSES TO PLAY BASKETBALL? He quit because he wanted to win for himself, he quit on Larry Brown, he quit on Isiah, and he quit on NY...how you continue to defend this man is beyond me.
Bolded players that are not better, no pointguards, or are not starters, even though you said they were.
What ppl don't get about he pass first aspect of a point guard, is that it isn't just him that it affects. It is the whole team. the PG is the floor leader. When he looks for his teammates before himself, he is setting that precendent to the rest of the team. He is having them follow by example. In turn, they look for their teammates more and become a more passing orientated, less selfish, more ball movement orientated team.
Stop paying attention to the media and draw your own conclusions. Theres not really a whole lot I can say about your post, other then your wrong. He didnt even have a jersey in his locker when D'antoni asked him to play after Crawford and Z-bo were traded. Read between the lines. Your smarter then this.
Bolded players that are not better, no pointguards, or are not starters, even though you said they were.
Pointless
This Goes Up There With Gettin Tim Thomas, Steve Francis, Vin Baker, Penny Hardaway, Muggsy Bouges, Scott Williams, Felton Spencer etc.....
In my humble opinion, your first mistake was titling this thread with exclamation marks (Knicks Get Duhon!!!!!!!!!!!!!), as if us Knick fans should be excited by this signing. All D'Antoni seeks is another flunky for his system just like our latest draft pick, Gallinari, whose dad was a friend to D'Antoni.
This move was a waste of the mid level exception. We should of rode out Marbury's contract till season's end, then executed a sign and trade.
I agree Duhon is a super star role player that will bounce around the league, he is far expected to be the answer.
This is another questionable move.....
Duhon isn't that good offensively.
He cannot beat his man off the dribble.
He has below average speed for a 6"1 PG.
This leaves Duhon stuck on the perimeter a lot as a spot up shooter( a shooter Duhon isn't).
Offensively Duhon is VERY limited.
Duhon is a defensive specialist, not a NBA starting PG.
Listen to this:
Duhon is a PURE PG, yes. Why? He can only play the PG position.
What kind of level of pure PG Duhon is?
C level at best. He isn't Paul, he isn't even Andre Miller. Hell, Sessions/Arroyo/Knight > Duhon.
Don't be silly.
Duhon is entering his prime.
It was a decent signing.
The Knicks have a serious problem of to many Bad Attitude Cancer Players that has no respect for their coaches that must be traded ASAP. Marbury, Q.Richardson, and Zach outrightly disrespected President Coach Isiah Thomas publically and has been a Cancer Player on their previous teams, so its not something new. There are other Cancer Players on this Knick Roster besides them. If the Knicks ever needed a big clean-up of their roster this is the one right here. The Layden Roster did not need a clean-up, over half the Players had ending contracts in that season and the next season. Plus Layden left the Knicks with a "DEFENSIVE-Roster".
You guys shouldn't be surprise here.
Duhon has never be a quality PG.
Not on the level to start and lead a quality NBA team.
Never been, never will be.
He's slow Howard Eisley with overrated D.
His handles?
Below average.
His speed/quickness/agility to move from the perimeter to the hoop?
Eric Snow-like
Passing ability?
Limited
Scoring creativity?
Jamison Brewer is superior here.
Duhon is LAME, always will be.
Look at Steve Nash.
NOT A BEAST, very good PG, one of the best...but look how inflated his numbers were under D'Antoni. D'Antoni is good at deflating his players stats.
Duhon at best can give this team 10 ppg and 7 assist, nothing more.
Its no surprise he's declining now...declining back to the level he is.
Guys like Sessions, Arroyo, Augustin...etc, ball handlers who can score too and rank up assist would average Steve Nash type numbers in this system.
We need a QUICK.
CREATIVE
UNLIMITED
BALL HANDLING
EFFICIENT PASSING
YOUNG
DEFENSIVE
STARTING QUALITY
ALL STAR POTENTIAL
POINT GUARD>
Simply.
D'Antoni had NO REASON to not play Marbury this season.
Marbury is superior in everyway possible.
This team isn't that good with Duhon and can't be better than they would of been with Steph.
What a complete fail...**** D'Antoni and Walsh for now..till they find a new PG.
Can't believe we passed on D.J. Augustin and Brook Lopez.
We're so lame.
Stop saying Marbury is selfish. Thats not true, he averages almost 8 assists for his career...which is impressive considering his time spent in New Jersey and with the Knicks, where he had very few players to pass to.
Sorry but I have to ask, where exactly are you getting your information about Marbury from? The Knicks lockerroom? Or the media? Or even the man himself who is obviously not biased in his own favour...
I don't dislike the guy, but this "stop paying attention to the media" shit is so worn out, you believe what he says in the media, others believe what Coach D or teammates say in the media. No difference whatsoever.
Sorry but I have to ask, where exactly are you getting your information about Marbury from? The Knicks lockerroom? Or the media? Or even the man himself who is obviously not biased in his own favour...
I don't dislike the guy, but this "stop paying attention to the media" shit is so worn out, you believe what he says in the media, others believe what Coach D or teammates say in the media. No difference whatsoever.
MSG, Duhon has certainly exceeded expectations. I went back to the thread when Duhon was signed. You said he was nothing more than a bench player.
Then there were these quotes
Has Duhon not exceeded those LOW AS HELL EXPECTATIONS? I would say he has...
And then this post from resident Duhon hater metrocard:
This from Kiyaman
Duhon has been loathed on this board, unfairly. He's been a good player for this team, especially for the low cost they have him at. Talent is relative. Duhon isn't Chris Paul, but he doesn't make Chris Paul MONEY. He isn't Steph, but he doesn't make STEPHON MARBURY MONEY. For where we signed him and for how much, he's been more than adequate.
Precisely my point. Believe Marbury all you want, I'm not going to stop you. But to say someone is not smart for believing Mike D'Antoni, Donnie Walsh, Knicks teammates or anyone in the media who does not buy into everything Steph says is equally short sighted and stupid.
MSG, YOU buy into the media, so I think perhaps you should heed your own advice. DON'T just take Steph at his word every time he says something. I suppose you believe Steph is the best PG in the league because Steph said, "I'm the best PG in the league?" Get real.
P.S. Steph just left the game after throwing up a brick. 0 points, 3 assists, 2 turnovers, 4 fouls...What an awesome line.
I suppose you believe Steph is the best PG in the league because Steph said, "I'm the best PG in the league?" Get real.
Whos to say whos wrong or right? But if haterburys use the media to their advantage, what makes them think that I wont do the same?
I dont see how he exceeded expectations.
Hes been average at best...His offense is more predictable then Eddy Currys, hes turnover prone, and hes not really that good. It was stupid to sign him when Carlos Arroyo was available. At least Arroyo has some ball handling skills. If 12 and 8 is the best Duhon can do in this system, then thats just average to me. Exceeding expectations would be 15 and 10, which most point guards are capable of averaging in this system.
Im only playing the game that haterburys play, why shouldnt I? If anything, I think what Marbury says is more valid then D'antoni and the media...I wont include Walsh in this, hes the only one that seems somewhat honest.
My father sells insurance...part of his job is reading people. I have that ability myself. Its very easy to tell that Mike D'antoni is a liar.
I also have to question how happy of a person he is, he seems very uptight. He doesnt look very healthy to me. Compare his body language to Walsh's, big difference.
Marburys not the best speaker but what he says seems to be coming from his heart. He doesnt seem to be smart enough of a speaker to throw people off and thats why I believe him.
Donnie Walsh is the best speaker of all them. He rarely looks tense, or uptight. Hes extremely calm.
The media will do whatever it takes to sell some newspapers.
The last thing you said, about Marburys stat line, is where the biggest mistake in your post is. How many players would be putting up good stats after not playing the whole year?
Im surprised to see that he doesnt look tired, but his timing is clearly off.
The fact that you brought his statline up, and sarcastically described it as being "awesome" shows your bias, and hatred/disliking against him. You seem to be agitated that there are knicks fans defending Marbury...If you were confident in your opinions, you would have no problem with people supporting Starbury.
Whether you have a reason to question yourself or not, you are questioning yourself on the inside. You realize theres a chance that Marbury might prove you wrong. But you dont really care, you will look for new excuses when that time comes. I got one for you, who wouldnt do good on a team with so much talent?
Its obvious to me that you dont like me, or starbury. You probably dont like me because I still support Marbury. The bigger issue here is that you dont like yourself. I did not insult you once in my first response to you. I told you to read between the lines because i know your smarter then that. I gave a good reason why I believe what Marbury says in his interviews. Like I said before, hes not a good speaker but at least he sounds like hes coming from the heart where as D'antoni is more tense then someone who's about to get married, and the media will say whatever to sell some newspapers.
Not true, but the fact that you would bring this up shows that your agitated. Relax, calm down, think things over, and then reply like a man. You have it in you Kblack, you can be an elite poster. You just need to get that hatred out of you.
I have to say this, while duhon looks to be getting exploited recently, I partially blame it on the fake D LEE mr over rated is his only real option off the pick and roll. lee gets his shot swatted left and right, DUhon isnt that bad, but he isnt that great, I blame LEE And his piss poor defense on the reason we lose so many games, before I blame duhon. GET RID OF LEE
Maybe its the snow storm coming, but some of you people are crazy.
Duhon was not signed to be an ALL STAR. He was signed to be a two-year stop gap at the point gaurd position. Hes had a bad few games (that play last night was Lee's fault) but he's also played the most minutes on the team. Duhon has played good and done his job. Its not like hes making a ton of money or that he's the long term soultion so again you people need to chill.
Its weird how as soon as Marbury comes back all the stupid internet fights and stupid threads reappear. Like i said in an earlier thread everybody got all fired up about maybe making the 8th seed and now that we hit a bad spell everybody is getting emotional.
Duhon is here he remainder of this season and next. And if he comes back after this next season itll be at a small cost and most likely as a backup. Is Chris Duhon really are biggest problem people?
Lee and Nate play zero defense. Nate has bad shot selection on alot of nights but because they are our home grown players we let it slide and don't harp on those mistakes. We have no superstars on this team. We actually have no second option players on this team. So the fact we are competing should be commended.