I liked how he was playing too. But it would be impossible to ever get under the cap with him on our roster.
You're right that D'antoni gives his input, but I don't think he had any input on the Randolph trade. That trade was purely for salary cap purposes, it had nothing to do with D'antoni.
BTW, he made the playoffs his first 2 seasons with the Blazers, in which he averaged 6 minutes and 17 minutes a game for the season. In the playoffs, he averages 12 PPG and 7 RPG in 25 minutes per game. Not really a big accomplishment.
I found this thread interesting, as everyone is bashing the Randolph trade, especially MSGKnickz33, so I went back to the Randolph thread and found this post from MSGKnickz33 himself:
And this from KO's resident ******* metrocard:Donnie Walsh >> Isiah
like we didnt already know that, The lowest piece of scum dirtbag on this earth is >> isiah. Crawford >> isiah
I like what donnies doing...finally someone whos plannin for the future, not right now. At the same time i think these trades will make us a better team right now. We got rid of 2 guys that cant defend. I like Zach randolph and i will root for him with the clippers, but these trades werent just good, like frosted flakes [they're great]
At the time everyone was praising the trade, now in hindsight it's bad? The only person who has stayed consistent, ironically, is Team Starbury hanger-on abcd, who bashed the trade when it happened, and bashed it now.Mobley can play defense unlike Jamal, and is a better shooter, more skilled/experienced/team oriented.
Mobley > Crawford
TT/Harrington = Randolph.
Randolph is a ball dominate and stat padder who shoots a low FG @ 43%.
TT/Harrington actually have experience in the HIGH TEMPO offense and have proven to be very productive in it. Its a move that fits the system, which makes it a more productive system because you have players who fit now, unlike Crawford and Randolph.
Props to the DON.
Look, this season was never about making the playoffs, it was never about winning a title. Two years ago, that was the goal. Last year, that was the goal. This year Donnie takes over, and is a GM that actually knows what he is doing. D'Antoni takes over and installs an up-tempo offense. The goal this year was to REBUILD and RETOOL so eventually we can RELOAD. To come here and expect D'Antoni to take this abysmal franchise, who then trades away mid-season their top-2 leading scorers so that they have more CAP FLEXIBILITY (a good thing), and then also want a playoff bound team is asking a bit much. I'm not saying D'Antoni has done the best job, but it was never about the 2008-09 New York Knicks, it was about building for free agency, about digging ourselves out of salary cap hell. But the team has to be bad before they can be better, that's what rebuilding is.
Even if we don't get LeBron, even if we don't get Wade, Bosh, Stoudemire, Nowitzki or ANYBODY, at the very least they have been dug out of salary cap hell. At the very least we'll be able to move some pieces a little more freely, be able to sign that one guy to that big contract, and at the very least at LEAST this team is playing a brand of basketball that is fun to watch. I hated the Isiah-brand, and when you don't win the Brown-brand is awful to watch. D'Antoni has put together a game that is good to watch, that is at the very least entertaining, even though they are losing.
But to say D'Antoni didn't do his job, that's just silly, come on now. You are too deep in the forest to see the trees. An NYK Championship in 2009 is not the goal, the goal is to be better down the line, to be better in the long term and for a longer period of time, not to make ridiculous trades for over-rated superstars to try in vain to win now.
The bottom line is the Knicks should not have hired Mike D'Antoni. The Knicks' #1 weakness is defense. Patrick Ewing emphasizes defense, and he's great at developing centers. Look at how much better Yao Ming and Dwight Howard currently are. The Knicks made a mistake for not hiring Ewing and not drafting Brook Lopez. They also made a mistake for paying Marbury to do nothing and trading Zach Randolph for nothing. All of you guys keep talking about Zach Randolph's "huge" contract, but what about Larry Hughes' contract? Hughes makes almost as much money as Randolph, and he sucks.
All you guys talk about Marbury being a cancer. Well, Marbury's not here anymore. Why are the Knicks not winning? And if Marbury is such a cancer, why are the Celtics playing as good as they have all season?
On October 31st, the start of the 2009-2010 season, what are the Knicks going to have to attract a star?
Chris Duhon? Larry Hughes? Jared Jeffries? One dimensional Gallinari?
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I dont think D'antoni had any input on the Randolph trade, i never at any point thought he did. The only things i think D'antoni had input on was drafting the big ****, and he had his mind made up from day one that Marbury wasnt gonna play so he pushed for duhorn signing.
I just wanna put you in a headlock and give you a nuggie
In defense of...myself...I thought Mobley would be playing for us, and I never really thought that trade was great...i just felt like swagger jackin tony the tiger. I was and still is a big fan of crawford for Al Harrington, however. And i remember saying once i found out that Mobley wouldnt be playing for us, that we should have got a 2nd round pick from the clippers.
Metro hasnt even posted in this thread yet, how you gonna bring him up? You did yourself in there doggie, thats not a good look when you bringin up other dudes for no reason.
Who said anything about us making the playoffs this year? I just think that we should be able to win more games then we won in 2006-07, and while we are entertaining at times lets not act like we can still be embarrassing as seen recently against the bobcats and the kings.
Perhaps I misunderstood you about D'antoni having input on the Randolph trade, when you said:
I thought you meant D'antoni as he. My mistake.I forgot to mention that, he couldnt get us a draft pick for zach randolph?
It is yet to be seen whether or not drafting Lopez was a mistake. Gallinari was injured, and didn't get a chance to showcase most of his abilities. Hopefully, he'll come back 100% next season. But it is too soon to already be declaring that pick a mistake. At least wait till the end of next season to make your judgment.
Larry Hughes contract expires after the 2009-2010 season. It is one year shorter than Randolph's, giving us cap flexibility in 2010. Hughes' expiring contract could also be used as trade bait next year, for teams looking to clear salary. One trade scenario could be Carmelo Anthony for Hughes and a young player if Denver decides to rebuild. There a lot of possibilities when you have expiring contracts.
You still don't get it. First off read my response and tell me how I am "slobbering all over him". I even said he may turn out not to be a good fit for us, however it is too early to judge. Again most smart fans know enough not to pass judgement this early on. Some coaches join teams and are successful right away, but, it not expected.
He inherited a bad team, I again ask you to name me another coach who gets a significant amount more wins with this group. Another question, would The Suns be missing the playoffs if Dantoni was still coach?
Dantoni has been the only coach to hold Eddy Curry accountable for being out of shape. Jared Jefferies has looked better this year than he has any other year as a Knick. He has done some good things, but, yeah I can't praise the coach of a 28 win team with 10 games to go. But, I'm not writting him off either, it just wouldnt be intelligent.
Wait now explain how Dantoni was supposed to get a draft pick for Zach, isnt that Walsh's job? Plus, The Clippers knew how bad The Knicks wanted to dump Zach's contract and they werent giving up anything more than what they gave us anyways. But, again how was that on Dantoni.
"I'd Rather Melo shoot with 3 men on him than Jefferies shotting wide open"
-Jeff Van Gundy
And again, the only two decisions that i believe D'antoni had a say in were drafting gallinari and signing Duhorn.
Other then that, I respect what you said and I partially disagree...you brought up something real interesting, would the suns be a playoff team if D'antoni was still coaching them. Its tough to say, but maybe...they do have alot more talent then us, shaq >> the knicks
But this aint about what he would be doing with phoenix, this is about what hes done with the knicks. The only point im trying to make is that he hasnt done the job that some knicks fans give us credit for. I wouldnt even say hes done a decent job. If he cant win as many games as Isiah thomas did 2 years ago with Eddy Curry as the #1 option on offense, and with all the injuries that team had at the end of the year, then i dont believe that hes met his expectations that come with his reputation of being one of the best coaches in the nba. Overall MIke D is overrated...and that doesnt mean that hes a bad coach, it just means hes not as good as the average sports fan or analysist says he is.
we'd be talking about getting ready for the playoffs now if Mark Jackson was the head coach, but you all didn't listen. look at all the other brand name coaches this organizations has had and they all did not deliver. Pat Riley, Don Nelson, Lenny Wilkens, Larry Brown and now D'Antoni.